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BLACK DEATH DOOM - It was NOT bubonic plague

 
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BLACK DEATH DOOM - It was NOT bubonic plague
That's my opinion, anyway.

The commonly accepted explanation is that the Black Death that killed 30% - 50% of the population of Europe was the bubonic plague, transmitted by fleas carried by rats. There are a number of difficulties with this.

The Black Death wiped out 50% of the population of Iceland. Well, how many rats were there in Iceland? Zero. None. No rats because it's too cold.

The Black Death moved far too quickly to be transmitted by fleas, at a rate of several miles per day.

The symptoms were different from bubonic plague and it killed much quicker.

So what was it and when is it coming back to inflict a massive death toll?

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Re: BLACK DEATH DOOM - It was NOT bubonic plague
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Re: BLACK DEATH DOOM - It was NOT bubonic plague
I was some form of hemorragic, pneumonic plague.

Rich people moved to monasteries and escaped infection there.
Issac Newton did this.

If this was bubonic plague, no community would have escaped infection.

You have good insight. Very few people have figured this out.
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Re: BLACK DEATH DOOM - It was NOT bubonic plague
Dewmy
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1332501


THIS is the response I get??
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Re: BLACK DEATH DOOM - It was NOT bubonic plague
I was some form of hemorragic, pneumonic plague.

Rich people moved to monasteries and escaped infection there.
Issac Newton did this.

If this was bubonic plague, no community would have escaped infection.

You have good insight. Very few people have figured this out.
 Quoting: dfw 1289917


Ok, but if it had been bubonic plague LOTS OF PEOPLE would have escaped it - everybody in Iceland, for example. Bubonic plague is still around today, especially in the American southwest, but it's not feared like the Black Death, for good reason.
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Re: BLACK DEATH DOOM - It was NOT bubonic plague
I was some form of hemorragic, pneumonic plague.

Rich people moved to monasteries and escaped infection there.
Issac Newton did this.

If this was bubonic plague, no community would have escaped infection.

You have good insight. Very few people have figured this out.
 Quoting: dfw 1289917


Thats because it was the church doing it. Many accounts of someone coming to the edge of town in a cloak and releasing a vapor and the same rising from the sewers.

They killed millions then and will again if let at it.
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Re: BLACK DEATH DOOM - It was NOT bubonic plague
I was some form of hemorragic, pneumonic plague.

Rich people moved to monasteries and escaped infection there.
Issac Newton did this.

If this was bubonic plague, no community would have escaped infection.

You have good insight. Very few people have figured this out.
 Quoting: dfw 1289917


Thats because it was the church doing it. Many accounts of someone coming to the edge of town in a cloak and releasing a vapor and the same rising from the sewers.

They killed millions then and will again if let at it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1336565


Um, no.
You're repeating the stories of Jews "poisoning the wells" but assigning it to the Catholic Church for some reason.

Thousands of Jews were murdered and their communities destroyed when they were blamed for the Black Death - something I'm sure many Jew-hating GLPers approve of and would happily join in on if the opportunity ever arose again.
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04/15/2011 03:36 PM
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Re: BLACK DEATH DOOM - It was NOT bubonic plague
Very interesting Thead. Read the book by William Bramley 'The Gods of Eden'. In one chapter he explians that the plague was transmitted by a MIST , not by Rats. Those who lit fires to escape the mist did not get sick. You are onto something here.
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Re: BLACK DEATH DOOM - It was NOT bubonic plague
Very interesting Thead. Read the book by William Bramley 'The Gods of Eden'. In one chapter he explians that the plague was transmitted by a MIST , not by Rats. Those who lit fires to escape the mist did not get sick. You are onto something here.
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Thanks.
I've never heard of the book or the mist that Bramley theorizes about.
The Black Death was some tremendous Doom that changed everything.
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Re: BLACK DEATH DOOM - It was NOT bubonic plague
I was some form of hemorragic, pneumonic plague.

Rich people moved to monasteries and escaped infection there.
Issac Newton did this.

If this was bubonic plague, no community would have escaped infection.

You have good insight. Very few people have figured this out.
 Quoting: dfw 1289917


Thats because it was the church doing it. Many accounts of someone coming to the edge of town in a cloak and releasing a vapor and the same rising from the sewers.

They killed millions then and will again if let at it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1336565

Yep, SOMEBOODY did it, and they have done similar before and since. At the top of all organizations, they're all the same.
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Re: BLACK DEATH DOOM - It was NOT bubonic plague
I was some form of hemorragic, pneumonic plague.

Rich people moved to monasteries and escaped infection there.
Issac Newton did this.

If this was bubonic plague, no community would have escaped infection.

You have good insight. Very few people have figured this out.
 Quoting: dfw 1289917


Thats because it was the church doing it. Many accounts of someone coming to the edge of town in a cloak and releasing a vapor and the same rising from the sewers.

They killed millions then and will again if let at it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1336565

Yep, SOMEBOODY did it, and they have done similar before and since. At the top of all organizations, they're all the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1343002


^^ Clinical paranoia. ^^

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07/17/2011 03:47 PM
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Re: BLACK DEATH DOOM - It was NOT bubonic plague
Dewmy
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1332501


THIS is the response I get??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1341135


The topic and I are very close. The symptoms are typical and well described many times. That said, determining ancient diseases without much physical proof is difficult as there was very little opportunity for objective reportage.
YOU dont have to get it. It happens regardless your ignorance of the topic or it's epidemiology.
You may not believe in transplant surgery as you cant do it yet it occurs all the ame,,
Sometimes the answer lies OUTSIDE of ones own, limited and unlearned and uneducated options.
You want to discuss the topic only within your frame of reference and it just cant be done.





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