Sarasota,Florida: NEW: Shawn Tyson, 16, charged in killing of 2 British tourists

That's sad.

They were most likely walking because I hear Europeans don't believe in using cars. 12 miles is a long way, maybe took a cab somewhere or had friends drop them and thought they could walk back. Maybe people in Europe walk 12 miles one way to places.

Its no deal to go away abroad and walk a fair bit especially to get a feel for a country and its surroundings. What a shit hole if you get shot for just doing that. Sort your gun laws out..This was just crazy.

Would you be happier if they'd been stabbed to death instead?

Most of the British online posts on another site were al focusing on guns and gun control and how come Americans have a right to own firearms. God forbid they concentrated their anger at the perpetrator. Besides, the kid of course didn't LEGALLY own the gun [a 16 year old, of course, can't]. Most criminals don't LEGALLY own weapons.

My mom is English born and raised. Many Brits and Europeans don't comprehend the vast geographic size and demographic diversity of the United States. They think America = NYC, California, Florida [Miami,Disney World], maybe Texas. Some Brit media were saying it occurred in Miami[!} which is hundreds of miles from Sarasota.

Incidents like this just feed into the already widespread ignorance many Brits and Europeans have about America and life in America.

My friend: The American state with the LEAST gun control is Vermont, in northern New England. Everybody owns firearms. Everybody hunts. It has the lowest [along with the other northern New England states of New Hampshire and Maine] violent crime rates in America. Murders are VERY rare. Shootings are rare. You'd be safer there then in England. It's not the guns [guns=are not evil, bad, they're inanimate objects] it's DEMOGRAPHICS. Why is this so hard for most Brits and Europeans to comprehend? I always here how 'Sophisticated' and super-intelligent they are compared to Americans. MOST violent crime i n the United States is due to DEMOGRAPHICS not LEGAL gun ownership.

well when i see the piture im not surprised , he look like an animal and nine days before he doen this he was arrested for battery to ... piece of shit , but one thing i got to say


i think they were trying to get drugs .... even though the areas are ruff in america they look nice , alot nicer than the ones in uk , so they probably didnt feal in danger and didnt realise the shit they were really in ...

had to drugs , just had to be ......

another savage animal takes 2 lifes for nothing .... segregation is the only way a 100 foot electric wall between every single race ...

he probably said to them after he shit them , " its just business aint nutting personal and ting " stupid fucking idiot animal

You know, partially true regarding how rough areas look:

In the older northeast and midwest urban areas, the rough areas look similar to rough areas of English cities. You KNOW you're in a 'Bad' par of town. But you're right, in other parts of the U.S., where construction is newer, like Florida and out west, many 'Bad' neighborhoods don't look bad, not just to Brits but to Americans from the northeast or midwest states also. Actually, even today in northeast cities where I live, many of the 'Bad' neighborhoods, the housing projects [British; Estates] have been all fixed and made pretty, burned out buildings fixed up, etc., and they don't really look old school ghetto anymore like they did 20-30 years ago.

They should have been able to get stuff like weed in the tourist area they were, they made a HUGE mistake going out to a housing project...at 3AM! Would you go roaming around a housing estate in England you weren't from or didn't live in at 3AM?

Its the incredibly easy ACCESS to firearms DUE to your gun laws that people have the problem with.

Not GUN ONWERSHIP.


ffs.

I used to be very liberal but I have been mugged by black punks, had my car broken in to 4 times. Burglarized twice. ALL by black youths and they all got a slap on the wrist. Two of them are now dead as they were killed by others of their own race. I am now one of the many whites who have no use for the black race in general.
A white person takes their life in their own hands if they go out after dark in most cities...
Visitors to the USA best be on guard..
The Africans sleep all day and roam the streets after dark robbing and killing.


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The U.S. is geographically huge. It's not a small western Euro country. It's not a small island off the coast of Europe.

The U.S. even with 310+ million people is sparsely populated compared to for example the UK or western Europe. Rural people customarily own and use firearms for obvious reasons, including the fact police may often be a 1 hour phone call away, hunting, etc.,

You seen to be under the assumption firearm laws and ownership is consistent across the U.S.; it's not. The U.S. is far less centralized than European countries or the UK. Each state, even many municipalities and counties, have their own laws [or no laws], restrictions, regulations, in addition to federal [central government] laws. Some place like NYC, Chicago ban almost everything, even airguns. NYC won't even legally allow airsoft toy guns unless they're clear plastic with an orange tip [unless of course you're a politician or famous person, businessperson with connections, then you can get a firearms permit no problem.]

The same holds true for capital punishment. It differs state to state. My state outlawed the death penalty in 1948-49. Some states haven't executed anyone since the 1930's. Other state shave it on the books but rarely impose it. Some states do execute, but after many appeals that go on for years. The federal government does have capital punishment for some federal crimes [the U.S. has two main court systems: federal for federal laws, prosecuted by a federal U.S. Attorney General, and local/state for state laws, prosecuted by state D.A. / District Attorney.]

I know this is very confusing to most non-Americans, especially Europeans, but again the U.S. is much less centralized than the typical European country or the UK.

There's not incredibly easy access to guns where I live. A lot of that imagery is a myth perpetrated by movies, video games, TV shows.

No it is entirely too easy to buy firearms and you have a lot of blackmarket sales from years of idiot hicks bitching and getting led by the NRA to keep all kinds of people killing weapons(not hunting rifles...ar's etc, ak's, all manner of small pistol).

Canada has just as high ownership of weapons per capita as many areas of the United States yet they have infinitely lower murder rates and far less incidents of children killing people.

So what gives...

All this brings a song to mind...

Carnivore - Race War

Black against white
Yellow versus red
The fighting won't stop
Until we're all dead
Burning, looting, riots destroy the masses
Nightfall, brings death, city reduced to ashes
Don't call me your brother
'cause I ain't your fucking brother
We fell from different cunts
And your skins an ugly color
Race War
We're going to a race war
Hate War
We're going to a hate war
Bloodshed, rampage, torture is not subsiding
Chaos, bedlam, violent ethnic uprising
Moslems against Christians
And the Arabs versus Jews
The Catholic and Protestants
No one wins we all lose
Everybody's gonna die
Xenophobic tendencies
Instilled in us at birth
Are mislabled racism
Hostilities getting worse
Accept the fact my distant cousin
We cannot live in peace
Isolated environments
May just be the key
Human beings suspicious
Soon fear grows to hate
We'll have each other by the throat
When forced to integrate
Mothers watch their children die
At each other's hand
Cain and Able set the course
Ethnocentric command
Race War
Hate War


More lyrics: [link to www.lyricsmode.com]

Are you really that stupid?

Maybe this will help us keep the visitors away!

When I was younger I used to get a chuckle when I would go to Europe and talk to younger (20ish) Europeans about the states. They would talk about just hopping an overnight bus from NYC to LA since it was cheaper than flying! Sheesh ... and those were the college educated ones!

(hint it's about a 5 day bus trip if you on the bus and moving 24 hours a day - talk about being a total smelly person at the end of that kind of trip!)

ANYTIME you travel one needs to check with the hotel/motel etc., to see what places in the local area are safe, what are not, and the times that places are safe. Doesn't make any difference if one is in Hong Kong, Sydney, London, Paris, Moscow ... or in this case Sarasota. These tourists were obviously in over their heads and didn't even take basic personal safety precautions that my (city) kids learned when they were 8 yars old.

Are you Canadian?

Canada DOES NOT have the same level of gun ownership as the U.S. Canada SEVERELY restricts gun ownership at the federal level. Canada is much more centralized compared to the U.S. [probably because the population is far smaller.]

Canada has a FAR SMALLER proportion of black males in their population compared to the U.S. Black males commit MOST gun crime in the U.S., even most murders in general [google FBI and DOJ statistics]

The areas of the U.S with demographics identical to most of Canada [white, white/Asian] have very similar crime statistics, including gun crime and murders.

The U.S. is more diverse regarding black vs White compared to Canad, UK or certainly Europe. MUCH MORE. Does this answer your question?

Like most things in life - this was a culmination of many bad things:

1/ The victims were in the wrong place at the wrong time - they probably made a stupid decision or 2 that night - but what ever happened - I'm sure it was down to the their innocence & lack of awareness.

2/ The perpatrator was also in the wrong place at the wrong time but they probably make stupid decisions on a daily basis.

3/ Easy access to guns.

4/ Poverty.

5/ Low levels of education.

Easy access to guns + poverty + low levels of education = common place fatal violent crime.

Easy access to guns + prosperity + high levels of education = minimal fatal violent crime.

No access to guns + poverty + low levels of education = minimal violent crime.

Obviously guns aren't the only problem but mix them with poverty + low levels of education & you get a fatal cocktail.

This is where Brit's come from when we think Americans are crazy to allow easy access to guns. Brit's are no smarter that Americans or vice versa ... but fortunately for us we don't have a constitution that's a relic of the the 1800's.

Removing easy access to guns has gotta be easier than fixing + poverty + education problems - so it has gotta make sense to get rid of them.

A high profile national amnesty promoted by celebs & sports stars that young kids can look up to would probably rid the US of 90% of the guns on the street.

That combined with making possesion of a gun a criminal offense with a obligitory jail term attached could make this happen within 1 year.

No-one can help feeling sorry for the victims & their family & friends but we should also feel sorry for the perpatrator - I very much doubt he/she had the same life chances as the victims.

Poverty has nothing to do with it.

West Virginia is one of the poorest states in the union and it's also one of the whitest. Their crime rates are not near as bad as other places with similar poverty levels, that are much more diverse.

Poverty is a leftard red herring to try and explain away crimes by certain groups. There are poor people all over the place that are not committing crimes. Please note, Mr. Englishman, that the people who inhabit the projects, get the welfare benefits usually have the latest iPods, clothing, etc. and drive new vehicles that a lot of us working slobs can't afford. No. It isn't about poverty.

Yes, you took guns away. Now you have a knife problem. What are you going to do? Outlaw steak knives? That's not going to fix the problems in Britain. I guess Operation Trident tries but there is only so much they can do.

After knives, I guess the English will outlaw chairs, umbrellas, vases, ball bats....anything of length and that has a weight of more than two pounds or so since you never know what can be a weapon.

So because one small demographic is the cause of a HUGE level of violence and violent crime, and abuse constitutional right to own firearms, EVERYBODY must be censored, restricted ? Sorry, I don't buy that, and I grew up in a 'Liberal' area and educated with my share of leftist ideology. The individuals who commit the violence and crime should be dealt with accordingly, period.

As for your comments on poverty, etc., I direct your attention to a picture in the link I placed in my original post. Please notice the SUVs parked by the 'Public' [taxpayer/public subsidized housing] housing project. Please note 'Poor' kids get 'Free' education, HEAVILY subsidized housing in both 'Projects' and more commonly with housing vouchers. 'Poor' people get heavily subsidized food through various programs, including food stamps [credit loaded onto a debit card used for buying food]. 'Poor' people get heavily subsidized, even in some cases, free healthcare [Medicaid, various other programs]. 'Poor' people get $$$ through various programs including to but not limited to welfare [dole' not unemployment, that's different] S.S.I. [AKA Crazy check...google 'Crazy Check'] etc., 'Poor' people get A LOT of entitlements and benefits in the U.S. I believe you, like most Brits and Europeans, are just ignorant of the true facts. The U.S. is basically just s socialized as the U.S. And we've had 'Affirmative Action' AKA Reverse Discrimination that FAVORS certain preferred and legally protected 'Minority' groups in the U.S. for almost 1/2 century. So MOST of what you've said doesn't hold up. What does hold up is 1/2 century and more of social experimentation and generous social welfare entitlements hasn't had a net positive result for SOME 'Poor' people. You Brits and Europeans are too PC to admit the ugly truth.

And again, guns ARE NOT 'incredibly' easy to obtain in most of the U.S., and in fact are heavily regulated and restricted. Some jurisdictions get away with outright banning them. Don't believe everything you see in video games, movies and TV my friend.

are you fucking serious?

this is down to those two men. they put themselves in that situation.

try going around Toxteth, or Brixton that time in the night and see what happens!

ffs we've all watched the first 48

and yes, the fucker SHOULD be put to death, no matter his age. it's unfortunate he won't be.

AGREED. Northern New England [Maine, northern New Hampshire, Vermont] ARE NOT wealthy areas....many 'Poor' people, and widespread gun ownership. Yet, the lowest crime rates in America. But they have very small 'Minority' populations also. Any connection? What do you Brits and Europeans [and leftist Canadians] think?

So what is the problem ?

Is it drugs ?

Is it culture ?

Is it demographics ?

Is it capitalism ?

Is it geography ?

Or all of the above ?

I refuse to believe we can blame this on the colour of someones skin - although it's an easy conclusion to come to - we have gotta see past the obvious or we'll never fix it.

Hitler loved to blame all of Germany's problems on the Jews & tried to kill them all ... it didn't work & blaming violent crime on black people won't fix America's problems.

The issue is not gun ownership, its not even about blacks.....its about GHETTO blacks....there is a difference....you can thank the libs for creating this class of entitlement minded parasites!

SUB-CULTURE of especially one particular demographic who have not been held to the same standards of the general population for many, many years and have been the center of social engineering. What's skin color have to do with? Nothing. Why is used as an excuse by many? Why is it tolerated? Why are many whites in the U.S., UK, Europe 'Afraid' to to mention race when there's an obviously painful [if superficial] connection?

There ya go.

This 'Class' was created through social engineering. Females were encouraged to give birth to children with no father, and the more they had, the more goodies they got [as long as they didn't live with or marry the dad.] What a deal!

There is a similar white under-class, it just isn't at nearly the same level as the black under-class. Over 70% of black children are born out of wedlock, and most live with a mom but no dad. A deliberately socially engineered matriarchal society. Nice results?

All I will say is I already guessed who did it before I even clicked the link...

The victims were not in possession of drugs, Sarasota Police Capt. Paul Sutton said, but he would not say whether they had any cash or weapons.

"We are trying to determine why they were there," he said.

THAT LINE SAYS IT ALL. FUCKING DUMB WHITE MEN, THINKING THEY CAN JUST WALK AROUND WHEREVER THEY WANT. WHAT DO THEY THINK AMERIKWA IS, A FREE COUNTRY?

AND EVERYONE WITH TWO EYEBALLS AND A HEARTBEAT KNOWS THAT THE JUNGLOS ARE THE #1 CRIME PROBLEM IN THE US, NOT POVERTY, FFS.

"I'SE KILT THEM FO ECONOMIC PARITY."