WHEN GOD GAVE OUT THE LAW, HE FORGOT TO ALSO GIVE OUT THE PENALTIES | |
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Dread Pirate Roberts
User ID: 1345089 United States 04/20/2011 06:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Eternal Damnation, how's that for God's spoken penalty. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1312247Luckily for all of us we just need accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and savior and repent of our sins and we can have ever lasting life. "From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17 |
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TheBlackVegetable User ID: 1348674 Slovenia 04/20/2011 06:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Eternal Damnation, how's that for God's spoken penalty. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1312247Luckily for all of us we just need accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and savior and repent of our sins and we can have ever lasting life. It's all so random! Unintelligent design, I would call it! God made us who we are and then gets angry for acting the way we are and then punishes us for our transgresions with eternal damnation although he loves us infinitely! Yeah, right. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1283030 Netherlands 04/20/2011 07:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | even the least intelligent among us recognises that a law is totally ineffective without a proportionate penalty. Quoting: MBECCU 1349484Our society and judicial system is based on laws with their appropriate sentences for transgression. an offence at the extreme end of the scale such as murder can attract a death penalty in many countries. an offence at the lower end of the scale such as property stealing may attract a short jail term in many countries. even us, being only humans, understand this principle of justice. So why God, in all his intelligence failed to recognize this fact when he delivered the laws to Moses? (the 10 commandments) Can you immagine if we didn't have sentences in our law system? The police would bring a rapist before the judge, pleads guilty and is sent home because the judge doesnt have a sentence book. The law system would be ridiculed. and this is the evry reason why God's laws have always been mocked and ridiculed,.... because he forgot to attach a sentence to the penalty. God said : Thou shall not steal. and the thief says : why? what are you going to do to me? and God says : Nothing, you shall not steal because I say so. and teh thief says : huumm.. I am not really scared of you because I have never seen you and I am not even sure you even exist. so i will steal and i think i will even kill and rape if i feel like it. you get my point?? God spelled out the sins that would irk him but he spelled out no sentences to go with it. that's why we have had such chaos in the world from day one. This is only when you believe in the bible (witch i don't). The Ten Commandments are defined as sins in the bible right? So you will be judged by your sins, either you can be forgiven when you ask Jesus for forgiveness. Or you will go to Hell. This is the short summary of the Bible. If you believe the bible, you believe this. I don't. |
MBECCU (OP) User ID: 1349484 Australia 04/20/2011 07:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Eternal Damnation, how's that for God's spoken penalty. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1312247Luckily for all of us we just need accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and savior and repent of our sins and we can have ever lasting life. No, the law (10commandments) were given by God Yahweh, heaven and hell were invented 2000 years later by Jesus. A totally different concept. my point is that God did not spell out penalties. And even if we believe that Yahweh and Jesus are the same God, and hell is the sentence for transgressing against the 10 commandments, this is totally illogical because all the people who lived during the 4000 years period from Adam to Jesus, it means they they sinned scott free, without punishment, because hell did not exist until Jesus invented it 2000 years ago. |
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MBECCU (OP) User ID: 1349484 Australia 04/20/2011 07:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you get my point?? Quoting: MBECCU 1349484God spelled out the sins that would irk him but he spelled out no sentences to go with it. :beacht9: Whats the point in arguing with you. What do you think hell is, a vacation resort? At the time of the 10 commandments hell did not exist. this concept of heaven and hell was introduced by Jesus 2000 years later. my point is that God spelled out the sins but did not spell out the sentence. This is an incredible faux pas, our judicial system would not stand for one day if it was based on God's system. question for you : would you claim that sins are all the same??? is a sin is a sin is a sin? is homicide the same as adultery?? is stealing the same as coveting?? God put them all on the very same list, but it makes no sense. Even if I grant you that hell is the punishment for sin, would you say that it is fair and just that a coveter or a thief is given teh same sentence of eternal hell just as a hitler or a bush? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1349526 United States 04/20/2011 07:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you get my point?? Quoting: MBECCU 1349484God spelled out the sins that would irk him but he spelled out no sentences to go with it. :beacht9: Whats the point in arguing with you. What do you think hell is, a vacation resort? I guess you'll be finding out when you get there. |
bronco billy User ID: 1347129 United States 04/20/2011 07:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There were penalties under the Israel theocracy. They would stone the sinnes. Since the "gospel went to the world" we live under many governments around the world. Same goes for the calendar. Anyway God tells us to obey government and that they are to punish evil doers. As for sin, anyone who rejects Jesus and chooses to continue in sin receives the second death in the lake of fire (the wages of sin is death-second death). But just as important they miss eternity on a new earth. |
Rachel User ID: 1349545 United States 04/20/2011 08:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well u know what?? I didnt need the proof of penalty for eating pork, im not a fool. However, i did look and found maaaasive scientific research proving its adverse effects on life Common scence for consequences to having and abortion mabe should have been spelled out for fools yes and if you realy search the bible ull find the penalties Am i in the twilight zone? Bible clearly states what happens if u eat unleavened bread right now!!! Why do i even bother on this god bashing site anymore Fools despise wisdom and obviously lack common sence |
MBECCU (OP) User ID: 1349484 Australia 04/20/2011 08:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well u know what?? I didnt need the proof of penalty for eating pork, im not a fool. However, i did look and found maaaasive scientific research proving its adverse effects on life Quoting: Rachel 1349545Common scence for consequences to having and abortion mabe should have been spelled out for fools yes and if you realy search the bible ull find the penalties Am i in the twilight zone? Bible clearly states what happens if u eat unleavened bread right now!!! Why do i even bother on this god bashing site anymore Fools despise wisdom and obviously lack common sence sister Rachel, I feel your exasperation, and I share it!! do you know how hard it is for me to try and proffer a philosophycally stimulating argument?? It's just as the bible says : like giving pearls to the pigs. the point in question is : should God have also attached a sentence to each sin? for example : 1. if you covet your neighbour's wife, you will get 7 years of famine. 2. if you steal a cow, you will get 12 years of drought 3. if you kill an intruder into your house, you will get your crop eaten by locusts et cetera... do you think that God should have spelled out the penalties for each sin he listed on the 10 commandments? or do you think Jesus system of one penalty (hell) fits ALL SINS? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1312247 United States 04/20/2011 08:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "one penalty (hell) fits ALL SINS?" Now you are catching on. A sin is a sin is a sin and we all are guilty of sin, Thank the Father for sending is Son to pay the ultimate prices for our sin. Take the gift of salvation through Grace, and cherrish it. |
Tuko User ID: 1349578 United States 04/20/2011 08:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well u know what?? I didnt need the proof of penalty for eating pork, im not a fool. However, i did look and found maaaasive scientific research proving its adverse effects on life Quoting: Rachel 1349545Common scence for consequences to having and abortion mabe should have been spelled out for fools yes and if you realy search the bible ull find the penalties Am i in the twilight zone? Bible clearly states what happens if u eat unleavened bread right now!!! Why do i even bother on this god bashing site anymore Fools despise wisdom and obviously lack common sence sister Rachel, I feel your exasperation, and I share it!! do you know how hard it is for me to try and proffer a philosophycally stimulating argument?? It's just as the bible says : like giving pearls to the pigs. the point in question is : should God have also attached a sentence to each sin? for example : 1. if you covet your neighbour's wife, you will get 7 years of famine. 2. if you steal a cow, you will get 12 years of drought 3. if you kill an intruder into your house, you will get your crop eaten by locusts et cetera... do you think that God should have spelled out the penalties for each sin he listed on the 10 commandments? or do you think Jesus system of one penalty (hell) fits ALL SINS? You obviously don't read the Bible. Read Deuteronomy and Leviticus. You'll see all the sentences you want. Example: Leviticus 20 Punishments for sin. Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not murder. Exodus 21:12 Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death. Instead of bashing it try reading it. You might learn something. |
weegie
User ID: 1338979 United Kingdom 04/20/2011 08:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Eternal Damnation, how's that for God's spoken penalty. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1312247Luckily for all of us we just need accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and savior and repent of our sins and we can have ever lasting life. THIS^^^^^^ SO MANY idiots think that if God doesn't zap them with lightning right then and there He's missed His chance and can't EVER "get" them. The judgment doesn't come until He's given every chance to repent. There is no statute of limitations on any of God's Laws. |
MBECCU (OP) User ID: 1349484 Australia 04/20/2011 08:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "one penalty (hell) fits ALL SINS?" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1312247Now you are catching on. A sin is a sin is a sin and we all are guilty of sin, Thank the Father for sending is Son to pay the ultimate prices for our sin. Take the gift of salvation through Grace, and cherrish it. uhmm! ok then, The Father created humanity (Adam and Eve) 6000 years ago Adam and Eve started sinning straight away and so did everyone born after them. sin, sin , sin, they all went on sinning for 4000 years until God teh Father got so frustrated that He thought He would fix this sinning by giving Moses a list. ( this list of sins is known as the 10 commandments) The father thought that by giving Moses the list of things humans did that really irritated him, this list would stop the sinning once and for all. but it didn't. humans still kept sinning unrepentedly. Now, the reason I think that people kept sinning was because God did not provide and penalties for such sins. He simply did NOT spell out what the sentences would be associated to each sin. The Father did not say what the penalty would be for fornicating or what sentence would He be meting out for killing. He simply did not. (If we based our judicial system on such concept, the judges would not know what sentence to impose to the criminals.) so after a further 2000 years of sinning the Son Jesus comes on the scene. He claims to be the son of God and He proceeds to bring forth a totally different concept that had existed for the previous 4000 years. He says : from now on, all the sinners will go to hell, unless they choose to worship me. does this mean that all the sins the sinners had committed in the previous 4000 years have been wiped away??? if so, it is not fair on us modern day sinners, is it? if the previous 4000 years of sins have not been wiped away, what happens to those sinners??? bearing in mind taht God the father had not spelled out to them what the sentence or consequences would be for their sins? Surely they cannot be sent to hell if they had no knowledge of such penalty? |
Tuko User ID: 1349578 United States 04/20/2011 08:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now, the reason I think that people kept sinning was because God did not provide and penalties for such sins. Quoting: MBECCU 1349484He simply did NOT spell out what the sentences would be associated to each sin. The Father did not say what the penalty would be for fornicating or what sentence would He be meting out for killing. He simply did not. You are wrong my friend. Exodus 20 introduces the Ten Commandments. Exodus 21 and 22 lay out the penalties for breaking those laws. READ! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1349554 United States 04/20/2011 10:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well u know what?? I didnt need the proof of penalty for eating pork, im not a fool. However, i did look and found maaaasive scientific research proving its adverse effects on life Quoting: Rachel 1349545Common scence for consequences to having and abortion mabe should have been spelled out for fools yes and if you realy search the bible ull find the penalties Am i in the twilight zone? Bible clearly states what happens if u eat unleavened bread right now!!! Why do i even bother on this god bashing site anymore Fools despise wisdom and obviously lack common sence sister Rachel, I feel your exasperation, and I share it!! do you know how hard it is for me to try and proffer a philosophycally stimulating argument?? It's just as the bible says : like giving pearls to the pigs. the point in question is : should God have also attached a sentence to each sin? for example : 1. if you covet your neighbour's wife, you will get 7 years of famine. 2. if you steal a cow, you will get 12 years of drought 3. if you kill an intruder into your house, you will get your crop eaten by locusts et cetera... do you think that God should have spelled out the penalties for each sin he listed on the 10 commandments? or do you think Jesus system of one penalty (hell) fits ALL SINS? You obviously don't read the Bible. Read Deuteronomy and Leviticus. You'll see all the sentences you want. Example: Leviticus 20 Punishments for sin. Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not murder. Exodus 21:12 Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death. Instead of bashing it try reading it. You might learn something. I'm pretty sure the OP is referring to your punishment AFTER death. |
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