I have come to realize Evolution as we know it is a fabrication. Fanatically exaggerated, ruthlessly defended, and blindly followed

I messed up one of those quotes.

This is how it should have looked

The first part is a different user, and the second part is my reply..

Thank you for this information.

Evolution is a religion, not a science (no scientific evidence).

"Laughing at Evolution"

[link to tim-shey.blogspot.com]

"The Language of DNA"

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Ooparts & Ancient High Technology

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I don't believe the standard theory of evolution because I lack the faith that is necessary to believe it.

The "mainstream" discussion between "creationists" and "evolutionists" is a discussion between blind and deaf people, though.

Is there adaptive change in Nature? Yes, there is. Is that adaptive change a blind, random process? No,it is not!

Hard "creationists" and hard "evolutionists" are wrong, both of them.

The One is and lives inside.

I don't know if you said this but many people don't realize that darwin was very racist.He believed the lighter race was the smart race and the darker race was closer to our start.We all know what that was according to him.Our schools leave that part of their theory out of it.

Too bad that the alternative explenation has even less scientific proof.

How much time have you spent looking for it?

That's the thing about Creationism. You can't just sit around and expect to see the science unfold itself before your eyes.

That only works with evolutionism. From the moment you plop yourself down at your desk in elementary school.

Or in front of the television.

Or at your computer.

There is some amazing science and logic behind creationism, but it is banned from the curriculum.

You would think that once you break out of the eggshell and make it to institutes of higher learning then you have the opportunity to pursue it. However, that isn't the case either.

Professors who merely mention the possiblity of creationism or intelligent design are persecuted. They have their entire careers destroyed, and they have their futures scattered to the wind, and forevermore the mere mention of their name carries a negative connotation with it.

Does that sound like opinion? Speculation? Is it too nasty to be true?

Afraid it is true.

Check out Ben Steins infamous (read: hated) documentary "Expelled: No intelligence allowed" and you will see the Higher Education (read: liar indoctrination) system for what it is.

If you dare

btw: It is on Netflix

Along with many other great documentaries, from either side of the argument. Great resource for only 8 bucks a month.

Starting with the assumption they are opposing theories was your first mistake. Try to grow up a little and transcend duality.

This is not said as to offend you (or anyone else), and I know you will probably say the same thing, BUT I feel bad for people like you who will go to extraordinary lengths to justify your beliefs so that you can sleep at night...

BUT I am of firm belief, TO EACH HIS OWN. therefore I have no ill-will or hate towards people like you, I just totally disagree.

I agree with a previous poster that evolutionists and creationist are liking talking to a deaf and blind person.

I never fathomed how people could believe in the idiotic evolution idea in the first place

but then I am backwards to this world in full

in every way

somewhere back in ancient times they switched the axiom with the idiom and it hasn't been caught onto just yet by the masses awareness, and/or they are blindly programmed to go along with status quo, regardless, without thinking

soon, soon it will be changed BACK to "as it should be"

evolution is just another satanic deception meant to distract from the truth of the world and our Creator

and science itself has debunked the theory of evolution time and again but you won't catch them announcing that in this respect!!! Hell no!

what you don't know can and will hurt you they figure and they'd like to keep it that way

Like I've been saying, it takes more faith to believe in evolution than God.

Check this vid as well, its pretty mind blowing, starts off slow, but watch it trust me:

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Amazing

My brother just showed that to me the other day. Surprised I hadn't heard about it up until now, its been out a few years now.

Check this out




19th Psalm

1The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

2Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

I appreciate your level of respect for difference of belief. The feeling is mutual friend.

It is not people's opinions that offend me. It is not the fact that Evolution is pressed about so carelessly and freely that bothers me either. In fact, I think it is healthy for science and open debate that all theories, regardless of the prejudices of others, should have ample opportunity to be heard and dissected and analyzed.

This is, in essence, what I am at odds with. Creationism is, plain and simple, a despised topic, an entity that is persecuted and silenced as if it were a prisoner of war, right alongside those who support it in any professional sense.

It is a credible science, and as such, deserves an equal footing with Evolutionism, or any other theory. I cannot fathom any truthful scientist that would dispute that right, but sadly it is a crime that is perpetrated daily.

As far as the need to justify my beliefs.. honestly, it doesn't matter if anyone agrees with my personally or not. I don't make threads like this on my own behalf. None of you will ever meet me in real life anyway.

Some things just need to be said.

I am aware there is a certain level of .. unrest.. in some of the quotes above. This is because the thread they resulted form was involved in a very heated discussion at the time. If you want to view that thread, search for "why some people cannot comprehend or accept evolution?"

If you check it out you will find that my replies were quite tame compared to those of a certain person I was in debate with :)

There's a theory of Creationism?

If there was, it would be well worth investigating.

Here's a challenge...can you falsify it? If you can't, it remains no more scientifically useful than a "what if?" story.

Kind of like the Theory of Evolution, eh?

Exactly, I always direct women and minorities who believe in evolution to check out what Darwin said about them. People are ignorant and will suffer eternally because of it.

It's not impossible to imagine that there are infinite universes - and we simply exist in one that ticks all the right boxes, but I don't think so. We instinctively lean towards a godhead, because the most basic understanding we all have, is that things that happen have causes. It is the foundation of logic - the tool that helped us achieve all the things we have, thus far. Taken to its logical conclusion, it is difficult to imagine that all things result from some unprovoked, random occurrence.

That's all I have.

You mean you disagree with treating all people equally, and giving everyone equal access, regardless of their genetic heritage?

Because that's what Darwin argued for, passionately, in his writing.

Bunny rabbits in the Cambrian.

Wow. That was hard!

This was all settled back in the 19th century, ffs.

Evolution is an observed FACT.
Natural selection is the theory universally accepted by biologists as being the mechanism of evolution.

Americans are so embarassing.

Luckily, no one educated takes what you people say importantly anyways.

The Elite make the rules therefore they win the game. The sheeple which are You and I have been indoctranated since appearing on this earth. Everything in school is lies to keep everyone dumbed down and fighting with each other. The history class are so fake it is laughable. The Winners always rewright history. If people would come together as humans and not different races, religions, or gender we could destroy this BS world we live in.

When everyone accepts we are created for a purpose then we will be free. As long as people think they come from animals then they will remain an animal. Thank You for this topic.

Ask any believer of evolution if their ancestors were monkeys. Not one will admit it!! But maybe they were. Humans were created!!!!!
At the same time, Where did the Gods come from? All questions will be answered by them soon, I think.

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Yes, but that will never happen because the sheeple are way too stupid to do anything right.

Have fun being a sheeple.

The Elite make the rules therefore they win the game. The sheeple which are You and I have been indoctranated since appearing on this earth. Everything in school is lies to keep everyone dumbed down and fighting with each other. The history class are so fake it is laughable. The Winners always rewright history. If people would come together as humans and not different races, religions, or gender we could destroy this BS world we live in.

When everyone accepts we are created for a purpose then we will be free. As long as people think they come from animals then they will remain an animal. Thank You for this topic.


Nah man.. thank you. that was a nice synopsis of the human condition in "civilized" society today, particularly here at home

It's funny because the elite feed the stupid sheeple, but the sheeple keep trying to kill them.

Shoot man.. you are right

You just destroyed my whole premise

To think I was foolish enough to ask questions and challenge the status quo

Mama's Wrong, Colonel Sanders is right. What got into my Medula Oblongata?

I'm so glad you mentioned that noone takes the teachings of anyone who believes in God seriously

Now we can throw away everything we learned from all of these uneducated sheeple below, and really focus on our Hedonistic curriculum. Real scientists write books with pretty covers and make money. That's what science is all about. Substance? Genuine affection? Morals? pfft, save that unevolved garbage for the believers

No more use for:

Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543)
Copernicus was the Polish astronomer who put forward the first mathematically based system of planets going around the sun. He attended various European universities, and became a Canon in the Catholic church in 1497. His new system was actually first presented in the Vatican gardens in 1533 before Pope Clement VII who approved, and urged Copernicus to publish it around this time. Copernicus was never under any threat of religious persecution - and was urged to publish both by Catholic Bishop Guise, Cardinal Schonberg, and the Protestant Professor George Rheticus. Copernicus referred sometimes to God in his works, and did not see his system as in conflict with the Bible.

Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1627)
Bacon was a philosopher who is known for establishing the scientific method of inquiry based on experimentation and inductive reasoning. In De Interpretatione Naturae Prooemium, Bacon established his goals as being the discovery of truth, service to his country, and service to the church. Although his work was based upon experimentation and reasoning, he rejected atheism as being the result of insufficient depth of philosophy, stating, "It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity." (Of Atheism)

Johannes Kepler (1571-1630)
Kepler was a brilliant mathematician and astronomer. He did early work on light, and established the laws of planetary motion about the sun. He also came close to reaching the Newtonian concept of universal gravity - well before Newton was born! His introduction of the idea of force in astronomy changed it radically in a modern direction. Kepler was an extremely sincere and pious Lutheran, whose works on astronomy contain writings about how space and the heavenly bodies represent the Trinity. Kepler suffered no persecution for his open avowal of the sun-centered system, and, indeed, was allowed as a Protestant to stay in Catholic Graz as a Professor (1595-1600) when other Protestants had been expelled!

Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo is often remembered for his conflict with the Roman Catholic Church. His controversial work on the solar system was published in 1633. It had no proofs of a sun-centered system (Galileo's telescope discoveries did not indicate a moving earth) and his one "proof" based upon the tides was invalid. It ignored the correct elliptical orbits of planets published twenty five years earlier by Kepler. Since his work finished by putting the Pope's favorite argument in the mouth of the simpleton in the dialogue, the Pope (an old friend of Galileo's) was very offended. After the "trial" and being forbidden to teach the sun-centered system, Galileo did his most useful theoretical work, which was on dynamics. Galileo expressly said that the Bible cannot err, and saw his system as an alternate interpretation of the biblical texts.

Rene Descartes (1596-1650)
Descartes was a French mathematician, scientist and philosopher who has been called the father of modern philosophy. His school studies made him dissatisfied with previous philosophy: He had a deep religious faith as a Roman Catholic, which he retained to his dying day, along with a resolute, passionate desire to discover the truth. At the age of 24 he had a dream, and felt the vocational call to seek to bring knowledge together in one system of thought. His system began by asking what could be known if all else were doubted - suggesting the famous "I think therefore I am". Actually, it is often forgotten that the next step for Descartes was to establish the near certainty of the existence of God - for only if God both exists and would not want us to be deceived by our experiences - can we trust our senses and logical thought processes. God is, therefore, central to his whole philosophy. What he really wanted to see was that his philosophy be adopted as standard Roman Catholic teaching. Rene Descartes and Francis Bacon (1561-1626) are generally regarded as the key figures in the development of scientific methodology. Both had systems in which God was important, and both seem more devout than the average for their era.

Isaac Newton (1642-1727)
In optics, mechanics, and mathematics, Newton was a figure of undisputed genius and innovation. In all his science (including chemistry) he saw mathematics and numbers as central. What is less well known is that he was devoutly religious and saw numbers as involved in understanding God's plan for history from the Bible. He did a considerable work on biblical numerology, and, though aspects of his beliefs were not orthodox, he thought theology was very important. In his system of physics, God is essential to the nature and absoluteness of space. In Principia he stated, "The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion on an intelligent and powerful Being."

Robert Boyle (1791-1867)
One of the founders and key early members of the Royal Society, Boyle gave his name to "Boyle's Law" for gases, and also wrote an important work on chemistry. Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "By his will he endowed a series of Boyle lectures, or sermons, which still continue, 'for proving the Christian religion against notorious infidels...' As a devout Protestant, Boyle took a special interest in promoting the Christian religion abroad, giving money to translate and publish the New Testament into Irish and Turkish. In 1690 he developed his theological views in The Christian Virtuoso, which he wrote to show that the study of nature was a central religious duty." Boyle wrote against atheists in his day (the notion that atheism is a modern invention is a myth), and was clearly much more devoutly Christian than the average in his era.

Michael Faraday (1791-1867)
Michael Faraday was the son of a blacksmith who became one of the greatest scientists of the 19th century. His work on electricity and magnetism not only revolutionized physics, but led to much of our lifestyles today, which depends on them (including computers and telephone lines and, so, web sites). Faraday was a devoutly Christian member of the Sandemanians, which significantly influenced him and strongly affected the way in which he approached and interpreted nature. Originating from Presbyterians, the Sandemanians rejected the idea of state churches, and tried to go back to a New Testament type of Christianity.

Gregor Mendel (1822-1884)
Mendel was the first to lay the mathematical foundations of genetics, in what came to be called "Mendelianism". He began his research in 1856 (three years before Darwin published his Origin of Species) in the garden of the Monastery in which he was a monk. Mendel was elected Abbot of his Monastery in 1868. His work remained comparatively unknown until the turn of the century, when a new generation of botanists began finding similar results and "rediscovered" him (though their ideas were not identical to his). An interesting point is that the 1860's was notable for formation of the X-Club, which was dedicated to lessening religious influences and propagating an image of "conflict" between science and religion. One sympathizer was Darwin's cousin Francis Galton, whose scientific interest was in genetics (a proponent of eugenics - selective breeding among humans to "improve" the stock). He was writing how the "priestly mind" was not conducive to science while, at around the same time, an Austrian monk was making the breakthrough in genetics. The rediscovery of the work of Mendel came too late to affect Galton's contribution.

William Thomson Kelvin (1824-1907)
Kelvin was foremost among the small group of British scientists who helped to lay the foundations of modern physics. His work covered many areas of physics, and he was said to have more letters after his name than anyone else in the Commonwealth, since he received numerous honorary degrees from European Universities, which recognized the value of his work. He was a very committed Christian, who was certainly more religious than the average for his era. Interestingly, his fellow physicists George Gabriel Stokes (1819-1903) and James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879) were also men of deep Christian commitment, in an era when many were nominal, apathetic, or anti-Christian. The Encyclopedia Britannica says "Maxwell is regarded by most modern physicists as the scientist of the 19th century who had the greatest influence on 20th century physics; he is ranked with Sir Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein for the fundamental nature of his contributions." Lord Kelvin was an Old Earth creationist, who estimated the Earth's age to be somewhere between 20 million and 100 million years, with an upper limit at 500 million years based on cooling rates (a low estimate due to his lack of knowledge about radiogenic heating).

Max Planck (1858-1947)
Planck made many contributions to physics, but is best known for quantum theory, which revolutionized our understanding of the atomic and sub-atomic worlds. In his 1937 lecture "Religion and Naturwissenschaft," Planck expressed the view that God is everywhere present, and held that "the holiness of the unintelligible Godhead is conveyed by the holiness of symbols." Atheists, he thought, attach too much importance to what are merely symbols. Planck was a churchwarden from 1920 until his death, and believed in an almighty, all-knowing, beneficent God (though not necessarily a personal one). Both science and religion wage a "tireless battle against skepticism and dogmatism, against unbelief and superstition" with the goal "toward God!"

Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

I read just so far and you are right, many SUCCESSFUL virus and bacteria did not and need not change. However in other environments such as today, they are changing and rather rapidly at that. They would remain unchanged so long as their environment, whether in a an animal such as us or in nature remained constant. You lose this one.

However, why is it so important to disbelieve in this, does it threaten you and your beliefs in some way. I am not with you, yet I never feel threatened by others beliefs, just let it go and go smell the flowers.