CAN THEY GET ANY LOWER??? US GOVT ARGUES IN COURT OF LAW THAT GOVT HAS RIGHT TO LIE UNDER OATH | |
Seamus
(OP) User ID: 989297 United States 05/20/2011 05:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 'When Plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.' Frederic Bastiat, 'The Law' 1850 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes." JohnSwinton, 1830-1901, Former chief-of-staff New York Times ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "The bold effort the present bank has made to control the Government, the distress it has wantonly produced ... are but premonitions of the fate that awaits the American People should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution (The Bank of the United States), or the establishment of another like it." Andrew Jackson (December 2, 1834) |
Seamus
(OP) User ID: 989297 United States 05/20/2011 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can I lie in Court? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452Are you a part of the Establishment (CIA, FBI, IRS, Armed Forces, DEA, NSA, etc) ? If the answer is YES! Then apparently now, YES, you may lie to your heart's content! Provided of course your shading of the truth minimizes damage to one of the Agencies or damage to the Establishment. No doubt Banksters and Wall Street Conartists also licensed to LIE under OATH. 'When Plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.' Frederic Bastiat, 'The Law' 1850 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes." JohnSwinton, 1830-1901, Former chief-of-staff New York Times ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "The bold effort the present bank has made to control the Government, the distress it has wantonly produced ... are but premonitions of the fate that awaits the American People should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution (The Bank of the United States), or the establishment of another like it." Andrew Jackson (December 2, 1834) |
Synthetic
User ID: 1225655 United States 05/20/2011 05:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God dammit, this shit is pissing me off. GLPer's, we need to form our own union and take back our country before it's too late. I mean, this shit is seriously getting fucked up and it's sad that today's society is still asleep, watching their American Idol and reading entertainment weekly. Last Edited by Synthetic on 05/20/2011 05:21 PM |
GeekOfTheWeek
User ID: 1383040 United States 05/20/2011 05:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Read specifically page 2 and 3 of this court order authored by a Utah Judge who had an employee of the Federal Govt LIE under OATH in his courtroom, then the Fed Atty's argue that agents of the Federal Govt have the freedom to lie under oath in court: Quoting: Seamus[link to wikispooks.com] And people still believe this entire system is 'free' and aboveboard and have faith in their govt. Nothing new, cops have been able to lie all the time, now the feds want in on it too :-) What can WE do as individuals? NOTHING. As a group, sign petitions for redress of congress. Short of that, vote out the bastards... I love physics. It bonds us eternally, it's what makes our computers work, it's what's in my morning cup of coffee, it's the thing that keeps the universe from vanishing due to lack of belief... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1391085 Puerto Rico 05/20/2011 05:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
besweet or bebad
User ID: 427545 United States 05/20/2011 05:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Will bump again. This is important and no one is listening as what rights(?)we have left are bleeding out. :bleed: 'it is not the duty of the police to protect you. their job is to protect THE CORPORATION and arrest code breakers.' (sapp vs tallahassee) |
besweet or bebad
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Seamus
(OP) User ID: 989297 United States 05/20/2011 06:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Will bump again. This is important and no one is listening as what rights(?)we have left are bleeding out. Quoting: besweet or bebad:bleed: Thanks... it is clear it ain't gonna be pinned, so the only way to share it is to bump it. Unless of course the MSM is planning a big expose on the upcoming newscast! 'When Plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.' Frederic Bastiat, 'The Law' 1850 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes." JohnSwinton, 1830-1901, Former chief-of-staff New York Times ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "The bold effort the present bank has made to control the Government, the distress it has wantonly produced ... are but premonitions of the fate that awaits the American People should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution (The Bank of the United States), or the establishment of another like it." Andrew Jackson (December 2, 1834) |
Seamus
(OP) User ID: 989297 United States 05/20/2011 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Read specifically page 2 and 3 of this court order authored by a Utah Judge who had an employee of the Federal Govt LIE under OATH in his courtroom, then the Fed Atty's argue that agents of the Federal Govt have the freedom to lie under oath in court: Quoting: Seamus[link to wikispooks.com] And people still believe this entire system is 'free' and aboveboard and have faith in their govt. Nothing new, cops have been able to lie all the time, now the feds want in on it too :-) What can WE do as individuals? NOTHING. As a group, sign petitions for redress of congress. Short of that, vote out the bastards... Actually it is new... unless you can point to a previous incident where a judge has put into writing the Federal Govt's claim that their agents have a right to lie under oath when it suits Govt interests. 'When Plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.' Frederic Bastiat, 'The Law' 1850 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes." JohnSwinton, 1830-1901, Former chief-of-staff New York Times ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "The bold effort the present bank has made to control the Government, the distress it has wantonly produced ... are but premonitions of the fate that awaits the American People should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution (The Bank of the United States), or the establishment of another like it." Andrew Jackson (December 2, 1834) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1389352 United States 05/20/2011 08:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I haven't believed that in over 40 years. Read specifically page 2 and 3 of this court order authored by a Utah Judge who had an employee of the Federal Govt LIE under OATH in his courtroom, then the Fed Atty's argue that agents of the Federal Govt have the freedom to lie under oath in court: Quoting: Seamus[link to wikispooks.com] And people still believe this entire system is 'free' and aboveboard and have faith in their govt. |
besweet or bebad
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1391085 Puerto Rico 05/20/2011 09:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When the revolution starts, and the shooting begins, those that made a mockery of the Constitution will get theirs. And the officer who lied under oath, no excuse, same as a soldier shooting an unarmed civilian because his CO told him to. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1314144 United States 05/20/2011 09:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Seamus
(OP) User ID: 989297 United States 05/20/2011 09:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I haven't believed that in over 40 years. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1389352Read specifically page 2 and 3 of this court order authored by a Utah Judge who had an employee of the Federal Govt LIE under OATH in his courtroom, then the Fed Atty's argue that agents of the Federal Govt have the freedom to lie under oath in court: Quoting: Seamus[link to wikispooks.com] And people still believe this entire system is 'free' and aboveboard and have faith in their govt. Then you were in the minority 40 years ago just as you are in the minority today (unfortunately). 'When Plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.' Frederic Bastiat, 'The Law' 1850 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes." JohnSwinton, 1830-1901, Former chief-of-staff New York Times ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "The bold effort the present bank has made to control the Government, the distress it has wantonly produced ... are but premonitions of the fate that awaits the American People should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution (The Bank of the United States), or the establishment of another like it." Andrew Jackson (December 2, 1834) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1385942 United States 05/20/2011 10:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Read specifically page 2 and 3 of this court order authored by a Utah Judge who had an employee of the Federal Govt LIE under OATH in his courtroom, then the Fed Atty's argue that agents of the Federal Govt have the freedom to lie under oath in court: Quoting: Seamus[link to wikispooks.com] And people still believe this entire system is 'free' and aboveboard and have faith in their govt. Then what is the point of a trial? |
PeaceMeetsWest
User ID: 1369732 Canada 05/20/2011 10:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | While the Atty Gen et al are scumbags for presenting this, it seems, luckily, the judge upheld the integrity of his office. From pg 2: "Ultimately, the court rejected the contention and held that the 'Government's duty of honesty to the Court can never be excused, no matter what the circumstance.'" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1341296 United States 05/21/2011 02:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | While the Atty Gen et al are scumbags for presenting this, it seems, luckily, the judge upheld the integrity of his office. Quoting: PeaceMeetsWestFrom pg 2: "Ultimately, the court rejected the contention and held that the 'Government's duty of honesty to the Court can never be excused, no matter what the circumstance.'" Yes he did. Even better, the Judge PUT THE GOVT'S ACTIONS ON RECORD. My guess is this is far from the first time such activities have taken place. But the judges have been much more accomodating. Either in allowing the lies to stand, or by making opposition to such lies blackened from public view. This judge in Utah offered up one of the biggest newstories of the year. Unfortunately, the govt doesn't want it publicized on the media it controls. At least Not YET. |
Children of the Atom
User ID: 1386949 United States 05/21/2011 02:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why yes yes THEY can! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1351570Those of us with any intelligence know these cocksuckers will lie, cheat and steal at every turn. What is utterly amazing about this is it is now out in the open for all to see. I wonder (facetiously) if this is set for the front page (or any page) of the NY Times or WAPost? Was it on CNN tonight? Fox? MSNBC? Rush Limbo??? How can the Government lie to itself? This is double speak at its greatest, FFS people. |
Project_Deimos
User ID: 999284 United States 05/21/2011 10:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Total bullshit. Unfortunately this has been going on a long time. "There are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say, we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know." |
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Comedian
User ID: 1393050 United States 05/21/2011 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And once again, the Prince of the Powers of the Air has given us his new laws to replace these tired old things: Leviticus 6:1-4, "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, If a soul sin, and commit a trespass against the LORD, and lie unto his neighbour…or hath deceived his neighbour…and lieth concerning it, and sweareth falsely; in any of all these that a man doeth, sinning therein: Then it shall be, because he hath sinned, and is guilty," Psalms 24:4-5, "He…who hath not…sworn deceitfully. He shall receive the blessing from the LORD," Psalms 63:11, "...the mouth of them that speak lies shall be stopped." Psalms 101:7, "He that worketh deceit shall not dwell within my house: he that telleth lies shall not tarry in my sight." And here's the worst offender. See how many insults this one verse holds for our Glorious Halfrican Ruler: Proverbs 6:16-19, "These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren." Don't run. You'll just die tired. |
cdevidal
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besweet or bebad
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1172189 United States 05/21/2011 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | they have been doing this for years in the federal court system. it's nothing new,just someone called them on their bullshit. it happened to me a few years ago in the federal court system. they make up anything,lie cheat steal your money. ftw bunch of blood sucking lying scumbags,. |
CAPTAIN PLANET ALEX
User ID: 1370813 United States 05/21/2011 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WHAT THE FUCK DUDE!? The Divinity in me bows to the Divinity in you... In other words, Namaste In lak'ech GLPeers! God is the Captain Of My Soul. -alex [link to newworldilluminists.com] |
cdevidal
User ID: 602184 United States 05/21/2011 10:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 'Bout time this got a pin. Quoting: cdevidalThis just in: Thomas Jefferson exhumed, found to be rolled over A new website I found here on GLP for junk like this: [link to www.injusticeeverywhere.com] |
besweet or bebad
User ID: 427545 United States 05/21/2011 10:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A new website I found here on GLP for junk like this: [link to www.injusticeeverywhere.com] interesting link. thanks for bringing it our way. gotta have the facts(?) to fight. 'it is not the duty of the police to protect you. their job is to protect THE CORPORATION and arrest code breakers.' (sapp vs tallahassee) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1381617 United States 05/21/2011 10:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow. Just fucking wow. Quoting: Bigbayou87Wow. Just fucking wow. if thats legal then justice is out .crims will be next ,judge argues crims have the right to lie when sworn in. whats the point Except it will be: an argument that COPS have the right (maybe even DUTY) to lie when testifying. Remember last week a judge Steven David of the Indiana Supreme Ct ruled police in that state have a right now to enter your house without cause! 4th Amendment ? Gone Magna Carta (1000 year old rule of law)? Gone And now we have this... the govt explaining there's no need for its agents to be honest when they are attempting to lock you up for the next 100 years. police are allowed to lie to U if it helps in their investigations. CPS (child protective services) is also allowed to lie to U if it helps in their investigations. so we should level the playing field...tit for tat dont U agree? i read the court paper OP and it said the judge didnt agree that mr hardy was allowed to lie under oath. maybe i am confused on this...?? |
Red Auroras
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