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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1342596 United States 05/26/2011 01:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Part2: "As the explanatory clause of the First Article of the Fourteenth Amendment (the words between the two commas, "... , and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, ...") begins with the word "and", that "and" word indicates that the person, although born on the land area claimed by the United States to be under its political dominion, cannot be deemed to be a citizen thereof until such person participates in some additional voluntary contractual proceeding whereby the individual relinquishes the individual sovereignty he was born with thereby voluntarily submitting himself and subjecting himself to the jurisdiction thereof. Once the individual so submits himself, through some official contractual proceeding (implied but not revealed in the Fourteenth Amendment), then the individual would thereby be deemed to be a citizen of the United States." MORE SELF EVIDENT ANSWERS What would be the reasonable answers to those questions? Are the answers not clearly self evident? As the United States is undeniably an artifactual man made political entity, how could there be any doubt that no one could reasonably be declared to have been born in the United States, and if they were born on the land area claimed by the United States to be under its political dominion, that before such individual could be declared to be a citizen of the United States the individual would first have to have grown to maturity, and have intellectually developed and matured sufficiently to be held accountable to contracts voluntarily entered into, and have been somehow convinced he or she should voluntarily enter into a subservient contractual relationship with the artificial entity, government of the United States. THE ADVERTISED PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT It was widely publicized at the time the Fourteenth Amendment was being promoted that the limited purpose of the Fourteenth Amendment was to create a citizenship status for the (then) recently freed slaves, and that white people had no reason for concern in regard to the content of the Fourteenth Amendment. Both of these totally bogus claims were widely promulgated by the politicians who were promoting the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment in that post Civil War era. A careful reading of the Fourteenth Amendment will reveal there are no such limiting provisions or even the slightest implication anywhere in that writing that its purpose was limited to citizenship for freed slaves or that the Fourteenth Amendment had no application to white people. Additionally, what sane white person of that post Civil War era would seriously advocate bequeathing United States citizenship on a people who had been kidnaped in their homeland, brought to this land in chains and sold and held in slavery, under which yoke they had suffered for many generations, and some white politicians wanted to give these recently freed slaves, who had every reason to hate the white man and to hate the white man’s government, the ability to vote the white man out of the southern states, where the Negro population exceeded the white population? Moreover, there is absolutely nothing in the Fourteenth Amendment that bequeaths United States citizenship on anyone, black or white! If you doubt me, go read it for yourself! Neither does the Fourteenth Amend create United States Citizenship as is erroneously claimed by many illiterate patri-idiots here in 2011. United States citizenship originates in Sections Two and Three of Article One of the Federal CONstitution, where it is mentioned three times. There are those who contend that those CONstitutional reference to citizen of the United States was intended to be a reference to State Citizens but there is no suggestion in the CONstitution as to any specific intention one way or the other, however the CONstitution does have a provision assigning CONgress the responsibility of establishing uniform rules of naturalization, applicable in all of the states, and in the oath of allegiance promulgated for naturalized citizens, the oath was to the CONstitution of the United States of America, NOT to the constitutions of the states. Additionally, the two CONstitutional provisions setting forth the requirements if eligibility for service in the House of Representatives is 25 years of age and 7 years a citizen of the United States and for service in the Senate, 35 years of age and 9 years a citizen of the United States. The disparity between years of age and duration of US citizenship in both instances clearly indicates that these provisions were intended to apply primarily to naturalized citizens, and that as the oath of naturalized citizens was to the CONstitution of the United States, that such naturalized citizens were considered first, to be citizens of the United States, NOT citizens of one of the member states. However the significant point here is that the political status "citizen of the United States" was first created and established in the original CONstitution, NOT in the Fourteenth Amendment. A point of interest here is the contention between the need and the desire for the establishment of a United Federal Authority. On the one hand there was the desire of individuals such as Alexander Hamilton (and the Aristocrat Class, generally) to extend their own personal political power for their own devious purposes, and the very legitimate need for the new Federation to project a strong political unity to discourage foreign military aggression (which came anyway, in 1812). But in regard to the purpose of the Fourteenth Amendment, of course, once more the susceptibility of the human mind to indoctrination invokes itself; the freed slaves did not have the intellectual ability at that time to discern the power that they had been given so, fortunately for the white people, the freed slaves, of course, did nothing. (3). As for the erroneous belief that a baby born in the United States of an illegal alien mother would, under the Fourteenth Amendment, automatically be born into United States citizenship. I think I have already covered this is items (1) and (2) but an added point or two: A child is deemed under Natural Law to be born free, independent and sovereign over its own person and once it has grown sufficiently to provide for itself, it has no obligation to anyone else, including its parents. A new born infant human baby is undoubtedly the least able to survive independently of all creatures on this planet. The newborn child of an illegal alien mother may well have the Natural right to remain wherever it was born, and if it can survive on its own then I would say, "Welcome", we need people with such self sufficiency as that here in this country. However I seriously doubt that such a baby would be able to survive without adult care. The alien mother, who has no political standing to enable her to remain in the United States, can either lay her new born child on the land, unattended by anyone, to fend for itself, and she can then get on the deportation bus to be deported, or she can take her baby with her as she is deported. I cannot imagine any such mother abandoning her baby, can you? WHAT IS CITIZENSHIP? It is self evident that citizenship is a condition of political servitude. However, the question to be answered, in consideration of the fact that the involuntary servitude prohibition provision of the Thirteenth Amendment prohibits any level of government in the Fifty States from imposing any manner of servitude on anyone other than those convicted of a crime, is how does a Sovereign born individual become subservient to an artificial political entity created by other men? And, no, it is not possible to convict a free born Sovereign individual of driving without a driver license in order for the State to be able to force the individual into a condition of involuntary servitude. Before any Sovereign born individual could be "convicted"of driving without a driver license the Sovereign born individual would first have to, in some manner, voluntarily intentionally submitted himself to the authority of the artificial political entity and thereby became subject to the statute requiring a driver license. That is, the Politically Sovereign born individual would have had to have previously intentionally and voluntarily entered into a contractual relationship with the State, thereby requiring the individual to conform to all the statutes enacted by the State. When and where did you voluntarily relinquish the individual Sovereignty you were born with, in order for you to become subject to the political dominion of the State? That is, in order for a free born Sovereign individual to become a citizen that free born sovereign individual must be induced to volunteer himself into a condition of voluntary political servitude. This has been accomplished over the past several generations, by the State's presumed authority to "require" that all children attend government indoctrination centers euphemistically refereed to as public schools, where the impressionable young children are indoctrinated to believe they became citizens by birth. This is an outright lie, it is impossible (and unCONstitutional) for any individual to become subservient to an artificial political entity by birth! The schools fraudulently taught you that you became a citizen by birth, and your parents, having likewise been indoctrinated, unwittingly reinforce that fraud. When you became sixteen years old you did as you had been indoctrinated to do, you presented "your" birth certificate to the State Driver License Issuing office, believing that all you were doing was applying for a driver license but that was, in fact, a lie! The State had no authority at that time of your life to require you to do anything, and I mean anything, until you entered into a voluntary contractual subservient relationship with the State. The State is an artificial entity created by men and such men cannot reasonably imbue their artificial creation with any more authority than the authority Naturally imbued into any one single individual man among those men who created the government. HOW DOES THE STATE BECOME THE OWNER OF "YOUR" NAME? The only way the State can require you to do anything is by your voluntary act as an adult. Your parents have no ability to sign you up for anything that would obligate you when you became an adult. You are their child, NOT their property! The State has become the owner of "your" name but that name has no legal attachment to you until YOU voluntarily attach yourself to it as an adult! There in no information on a birth certificate that can connect that document to any specific individual. The State cannot require you to have a driver license or pay any manner of taxation until you first voluntarily enter into a subservient contractual relationship with the State. You do that when you hand "your" birth certificate over to the Clerk of the State’s Driver License Office. That clerk will not issue a driver license to any applicant who does not present a birth certificate - but neither will the clerk ask the applicant to present proof that the birth certificate presented has anything to do with the birth of the applicant. Why not? Because there is no way any applicant could present any proof that the birth certificate they are presenting had anything to do with the birth of the applicant. However, the State really does not care whether the birth certificate presented is the document created when the applicant was born or not - the fact that the applicant is using THAT birth certificate to enter into a subservient political relationship to the State is all the State really cares about - another tax payer is voluntarily entering the tax rolls of the State. But at that precise moment, no matter your intention, you are not first applying to be issued a driver license, you are applying for a franchise, you are applying for a contract, a franchise, to be issued a "true legal name", being the name entered on the birth certificate, which you will then "legally"use for the rest of your life - you have just, unknowingly and unwittingly voluntarily relinquished the sovereign political status you had been born with. Now that you have a contractual subservient relationship to the State, the State can require you to have a license and require you to conform to any and all of its rules every time you do anything while operating under what has now become your "true legal name". Anytime anyone asks you your name and you respond, telling them the name you have contracted with the State to use, you are unwittingly admitting you are required to and have agreed to comply with all of the rules applicable to your use of that State owned name, whether it might be your use of that name to open a bank account or apply for a library card or a building permit or a contractor’s license or a business license or whatever else the State has decided to regulate - including every manner of inter-relationship you have with your spouse and children - the State does not own or control your children but the State does, now, have virtual control over you, so when the State tells you that you must have your child inoculated, you have no choice, even though the State has no authority to require your child to be inoculated, the State has virtual control because you presented that birth certificate in order to be issued a driver license, or so you had been indoctrinated to believe - by the State! But to answer the question in the caption of this Section, how does the State become the owner of "your" name? When you were born your parents conjured up a name and entered that name on a birth certificate (because that is what they had been indoctrinated to do by the government). The form of the birth certificate is designed by the State to include only the information desired by the State. The State does nor want any information on that document that might indicate who was the owner of the name entered thereon or even that the name entered thereon had an owner or was ownable. Once the document is filed with the State it lays dormant for sixteen years, even though your parents might present a copy of it to the public school when they put you into kindergarten, they did not make any official inquiry with the State as being the owner of the name. During the sixteen years, depending of the provisions of the Statute of the state where you were born, the State will become the owner of your name because the name will be deemed to have been abandoned under the State’s Statutes for the disposition of abandoned property. In Arkansas the State becomes the owner of abandoned names five years after the last recorded contact with the presumed original owner, it is under Title 18, Chapter 28, Section 202. During your childhood you are regularly taught (indoctrinated) to believe the birth certificate is your birth certificate and although that document might very well be a record of your birth it is no more yours that the school bus that you ride to school every day, that you refer to as "your bus", actually belongs to you. And, you are likewise taught (indoctrinated) to believe that in order for you to be able to operate your own automobile that you must first apply for and be issued a driver license - but no one has in any way bothered to inform you that prior to your volunteering into a subservient contractual relationship with the state that the State has no authority to require you to do anything (to apply for and be issue a driver license or to comply with any other State mandated rule) until after you volunteer yourself into a subservient contractual relationship with the State, by applying to be issued a franchise to be allowed to operate under the state owned name, as being your "true legal name". So, as programed, when you attain the age of sixteen years you trot yourself down to the local Driver License issuing office where you present "your" birth certificate in order to be issued a driver license, but, as I explained herein above, before the State has any ability or authority to issue you any manner of license a subservient contractual relationship must be established between you and the State, and guess who is the Master and who is the Servant? It might held to clarify this procedure if you consider that the State has the exact same requirement for the State’s issuance of a State Identification Card, where there is no driving privilege involved. The State will NOT issue a State ID card to any applicant who does not present a birth certificate. The State ID card and State issued driver license are almost identical except that the ID card will have a notation indicating that it is NOT a driver license, but otherwise the information entered thereon will be identical, including the picture and signature of the applicant. In both cases what has actually been issued, in the first instance, is a franchise for the applicant to use State owned property, the State owned property being the name entered on the birth certificate. What you are first doing is applying to the state to be issued a "true legal name", being the name entered on the birth certificate, that became owned by the state five years after it was recorded, under Title 18, Chapter 28, Section 202. Every one of the Fifty States has virtually an identical procedure. Not even one of the Fifty States has enacted legislation enabling the issuance of a driver license to an applicant who does not present a birth certificate - why not? Because the State is an artificial political entity with absolutely no authority to require anyone to conform to its rules until the individual voluntarily contracts with the State to use State owned property. I f you do not want to be required to conform to the rules imposed by the state then stop using the state owned name, and no, you cannot just claim the designation you are known as does not belong to the state - you must come up with a totally new designation - I’m Eric, WhoRU?? I guarantee you that you will NOT find that designation on any State owned birth certificate! Cheers, |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1342596 United States 05/26/2011 01:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so you are saying we are sovereign human beings separate from our corporation account names? do you have any information for Canadian slaves working for the canadian corporation owned by the Queen. peace I have not familiarized myself with Canadian law so I must say I do not. User ID: 1401720 yes you do need a name else how would you know who is talking to you unless they are directly in front of your face? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1401787 United States 05/26/2011 02:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so you are saying we are sovereign human beings separate from our corporation account names? do you have any information for Canadian slaves working for the canadian corporation owned by the Queen. peace I have not familiarized myself with Canadian law so I must say I do not. User ID: 1401720 yes you do need a name else how would you know who is talking to you unless they are directly in front of your face? i recognize the posting style. |
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User ID: 1401088 Thailand 05/26/2011 02:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great post OP You should also look into the price you pay for being an agent of the Federal Reserve Banks. It obliges you to pay for the use of there money. Called a tax. It also insures that you give away your rights. Contract law trumps constitutional law where a contract is in force. By using Federal reserve notes you contract with the fed. There is a way out. Redeem your federal reserve notes for lawful money, treasury notes. Thread: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul Are you going to redeem your FRN for lawful money? This is the lynch pin by which you are bound and waive your rights. Claiming the "NAME" FIRST, MIDDLE LAST is a trespass, you are right you do not own the NAME. When you trespass you have committed a crime. Its not your name. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1401616 United States 05/26/2011 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so you are saying we are sovereign human beings separate from our corporation account names? do you have any information for Canadian slaves working for the canadian corporation owned by the Queen. peace I have not familiarized myself with Canadian law so I must say I do not. User ID: 1401720 yes you do need a name else how would you know who is talking to you unless they are directly in front of your face? The UCC applies in Canada, as well as Australia. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1342596 United States 05/26/2011 06:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great post OP Quoting: rkenYou should also look into the price you pay for being an agent of the Federal Reserve Banks. It obliges you to pay for the use of there money. Called a tax. It also insures that you give away your rights. Contract law trumps constitutional law where a contract is in force. By using Federal reserve notes you contract with the fed. There is a way out. Redeem your federal reserve notes for lawful money, treasury notes. Thread: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul Are you going to redeem your FRN for lawful money? This is the lynch pin by which you are bound and waive your rights. Claiming the "NAME" FIRST, MIDDLE LAST is a trespass, you are right you do not own the NAME. When you trespass you have committed a crime. Its not your name. The fourth video does not play. Get a message stating the UMC blocked the content in my country, whatever that means. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1401012 Portugal 05/27/2011 12:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | tl;dr Quoting: Anonymous Coward 826451Then try this McGyver! YOU DO NOT OWN YOUR OWN NAME Do you think you can make it through all Seven(7) words .AND. understand the meaning? I don't need to read that testament to know that my name is my own. Or you gonna start call your friends by numbers now or something like that? Do you need permission to speak also? learn to summarize your point. as if many read all that stuff |
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