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humuhumunukuapuaa
User ID: 1417198 United States 06/08/2011 07:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to webcache.googleusercontent.com] Through honesty, we make peace. |
IJumpInIt
User ID: 1305271 United States 06/08/2011 07:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Adrea Rossi's thing is I wish it were real but all the scammer wants is money and he has proven nothing to do with it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1413969Stan Meyer's patents from the 1970's-1990's were based on the patents of a guy from the 1950's, and his were based on a guy from the 1930's. If you seriously doubt progress is made overnight then look up the many 'Stan Meyer water powered dune buggy' videos on Youtube. The man drove his 40hp VW powered dune buggy 2300 miles on 22 gallons of water. Stan Meyer was killed by oil industry shills in 1998. The tech is still there in now-expired patents and Kevin West, a regular guy from Oregon, worked 5 years to replicate Stan Meyers work. To date he has the first half done, which produces the hydrogen from a high-voltage alternator. The other half is (in my opinion) beyond anyone other than a chemist, as the second half involves using LED's in injectors to feed the hydrogen/oxygen into the engine. So yeah, call BS all you want, but people will find a way with or without the Govt. Just takes longer is all. Besides, if the E-Cat is sold outside the USA but not in it, can you imagine the outcry from the public when we still need oil while everyone else is using clean/cheap energy from it? .05 worth. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1407727 United Kingdom 06/08/2011 07:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If I'd invented this, I'd spend a few months distributing the encrypted schematics via torrents. Then I'd just send out the key and let the world get on with it. Clean free energy for everyone would be the reward for me, not patent chasing & profits. |
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lancifer93
User ID: 1419179 Canada 06/08/2011 07:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are no scientific details whatsoever (nickel & hydrogen : oh yeah that's a good bone to throw !), meaning the process is either incredibly simple or a complete fraud. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1348616--- Down with the patent system ! Free knowledge ! Perhaps the 'missing' part of the patent involves a not overly rare, but not commonly used substance and Rossi doesn't want to start a run on stocks for the few compan(y)ies that manufacture(s) what his device calls for. Plant or Perish |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1420479 United States 06/08/2011 07:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not calling BS just yet, but I would like to explore the notion of converting nickel to copper. How do you do that? And if you can do convert nickel to copper, then why not lead to gold? Or copper to gold? Smells of alchemy to me... Quoting: 21SchizoidManNickel is #28 on the periodic table. Copper is 29, so by combining an atom of nickel with an atom of hydrogen, you add 1 additional proton and create copper. A tiny amount of the mass is converted into energy in the process. In hot fusion, two hydrogen atoms combine to create one helium atom, but it requires a temperature of millions of degrees and extremely high pressure. Cold fusion combines light elements with heaver elements and can take place at much lower temp and pressure. Of course, TPTB go to great lengths to convince the sheeple that this is impossible because the earth is flat and lies at the center of the universe. God almighty decreed that the rich rule over the poor and employ them as their slaves and that's the way it is! |
2342
User ID: 1109456 United States 06/08/2011 07:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Patent Office Forces E-Cat Self-Destruct Capability Quoting: Comedian[link to pesn.com] Andrea Rossi's cold fusion E-Cat (Energy Catalyzer) technology is based on hard science, but is nothing short of a miracle. It provides a technology that could completely solve the world's energy crisis. The E-Cat consumes tiny amounts of cheap fuel (nickel and hydrogen), and produce huge amounts of energy for long periods of time. It does so without generating any pollution, radioactivity, or nuclear waste. However, the critical patents covering the technology and the protections for the proprietary "catalysts" used have not yet been granted. This has pressured Andrea Rossi into deciding the technology cannot be launched for use by individuals for home use, until he has designed a self destruct mechanism to be built into every unit. (more at link) (x) 2 www.youtube.com/clandestinetimelord |
KELK
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Math Genius User ID: 1406321 United States 06/08/2011 07:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not calling BS just yet, but I would like to explore the notion of converting nickel to copper. How do you do that? And if you can do convert nickel to copper, then why not lead to gold? Or copper to gold? Smells of alchemy to me... Quoting: 21SchizoidManNickel is #28 on the periodic table. Copper is 29, so by combining an atom of nickel with an atom of hydrogen, you add 1 additional proton and create copper. A tiny amount of the mass is converted into energy in the process. In hot fusion, two hydrogen atoms combine to create one helium atom, but it requires a temperature of millions of degrees and extremely high pressure. Cold fusion combines light elements with heaver elements and can take place at much lower temp and pressure. Of course, TPTB go to great lengths to convince the sheeple that this is impossible because the earth is flat and lies at the center of the universe. God almighty decreed that the rich rule over the poor and employ them as their slaves and that's the way it is! Now here is a man who can add two numbers together. It is about time the *rest* of you stopped taking your daily Stupid Pills too. |
Comedian
(OP) User ID: 1417763 United States 06/08/2011 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Patent Office Forces E-Cat Self-Destruct Capability Quoting: Comedian[link to pesn.com] Andrea Rossi's cold fusion E-Cat (Energy Catalyzer) technology is based on hard science, but is nothing short of a miracle. It provides a technology that could completely solve the world's energy crisis. The E-Cat consumes tiny amounts of cheap fuel (nickel and hydrogen), and produce huge amounts of energy for long periods of time. It does so without generating any pollution, radioactivity, or nuclear waste. However, the critical patents covering the technology and the protections for the proprietary "catalysts" used have not yet been granted. This has pressured Andrea Rossi into deciding the technology cannot be launched for use by individuals for home use, until he has designed a self destruct mechanism to be built into every unit. (more at link) Self destruct would be necessary if and only if quasiaxisymmetry exceeded quasiomnigeneity. Negative Ghost Rider. The self destruct is to protect intellectual property. Read the article. The reason being that if an instance of the device were reverse-engineered before the rightful patent application could be completed, it would interfere with completion. Don't run. You'll just die tired. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1406321 United States 06/08/2011 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We should ask him how much money he needs to release this to the public, and make a global collection... Quoting: KELKThis plan has one flaw. It might work. And we can't have that shit. But the secret is out of the bag anyway. Kids will be making these things with the chemistry set they got for Christmas. |
Comedian
(OP) User ID: 1417763 United States 06/08/2011 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Patent Office Forces E-Cat Self-Destruct Capability Quoting: Comedian[link to pesn.com] Andrea Rossi's cold fusion E-Cat (Energy Catalyzer) technology is based on hard science, but is nothing short of a miracle. It provides a technology that could completely solve the world's energy crisis. The E-Cat consumes tiny amounts of cheap fuel (nickel and hydrogen), and produce huge amounts of energy for long periods of time. It does so without generating any pollution, radioactivity, or nuclear waste. However, the critical patents covering the technology and the protections for the proprietary "catalysts" used have not yet been granted. This has pressured Andrea Rossi into deciding the technology cannot be launched for use by individuals for home use, until he has designed a self destruct mechanism to be built into every unit. (more at link) That's just stupid...and smells like smoke screen because the product doesn't really exist. Patents or not....the Chinese, and other dubious technology stealing countries, would "borrow" something so revolutionary anyway....so the whole patent thing is a crock of crap. As someone who has been through the patent process several times, I can't assure you the invention is valid, but I can assure you that Rossi's steps to protect his IP are. It's viscious, especially with the Chinese owning everyone who is being paid to protect intellectual property. A self-destruct is quite an ingenious and valid idea. Don't run. You'll just die tired. |
Comedian
(OP) User ID: 1417763 United States 06/08/2011 08:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Patent Office Forces E-Cat Self-Destruct Capability Quoting: Comedian[link to pesn.com] Andrea Rossi's cold fusion E-Cat (Energy Catalyzer) technology is based on hard science, but is nothing short of a miracle. It provides a technology that could completely solve the world's energy crisis. The E-Cat consumes tiny amounts of cheap fuel (nickel and hydrogen), and produce huge amounts of energy for long periods of time. It does so without generating any pollution, radioactivity, or nuclear waste. However, the critical patents covering the technology and the protections for the proprietary "catalysts" used have not yet been granted. This has pressured Andrea Rossi into deciding the technology cannot be launched for use by individuals for home use, until he has designed a self destruct mechanism to be built into every unit. (more at link) (x) 2 ^ A man for whose avatar I have infinite respect ^ Don't run. You'll just die tired. |
Comedian
(OP) User ID: 1417763 United States 06/08/2011 08:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey Comedian, how would an American citizen go about investing in a Japanese company like say....Dengyo? Quoting: humuhumunukuapuaa[link to webcache.googleusercontent.com] 1) Set up a Panama trustee corporation (PTC). 2) Instruct that PTC to purchase shares in Dengyo. 3) Wait for stuff to happen. Don't run. You'll just die tired. |
2342
User ID: 1109456 United States 06/08/2011 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Patent Office Forces E-Cat Self-Destruct Capability Quoting: Comedian[link to pesn.com] Andrea Rossi's cold fusion E-Cat (Energy Catalyzer) technology is based on hard science, but is nothing short of a miracle. It provides a technology that could completely solve the world's energy crisis. The E-Cat consumes tiny amounts of cheap fuel (nickel and hydrogen), and produce huge amounts of energy for long periods of time. It does so without generating any pollution, radioactivity, or nuclear waste. However, the critical patents covering the technology and the protections for the proprietary "catalysts" used have not yet been granted. This has pressured Andrea Rossi into deciding the technology cannot be launched for use by individuals for home use, until he has designed a self destruct mechanism to be built into every unit. (more at link) (x) 2 ^ A man for whose avatar I have infinite respect ^ Hey Brother. www.youtube.com/clandestinetimelord |
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Four-Twenty
User ID: 1400141 France 06/08/2011 08:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To preserve intellectual property and trade secrets, because the patent office is dragging its feet in granting a patent, Andrea Rossi is being forced to design a self destruct mechanism to be built into every E-Cat (Energy Catalyzer) used by the public. This could delay the public (non-industrial) launch of the technology. by Hank Mills Viva la fusion ! :tete: The best THINGS in life , Arnt things..... "Our ultimate freedom is the right and power to decide how anybody or anything outside ourselves will affect us." "Freedom is what you do with what's been done to you." "One cannot make a slave of a free person, for a free person is free even in a prison." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1420512 United States 06/08/2011 08:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Patent Office Forces E-Cat Self-Destruct Capability Quoting: Comedian[link to pesn.com] Andrea Rossi's cold fusion E-Cat (Energy Catalyzer) technology is based on hard science, but is nothing short of a miracle. It provides a technology that could completely solve the world's energy crisis. The E-Cat consumes tiny amounts of cheap fuel (nickel and hydrogen), and produce huge amounts of energy for long periods of time. It does so without generating any pollution, radioactivity, or nuclear waste. However, the critical patents covering the technology and the protections for the proprietary "catalysts" used have not yet been granted. This has pressured Andrea Rossi into deciding the technology cannot be launched for use by individuals for home use, until he has designed a self destruct mechanism to be built into every unit. (more at link) Self destruct would be necessary if and only if quasiaxisymmetry exceeded quasiomnigeneity. Negative Ghost Rider. The self destruct is to protect intellectual property. Read the article. The reason being that if an instance of the device were reverse-engineered before the rightful patent application could be completed, it would interfere with completion. He wants a patent or he booby traps his e-cat device. I see. |
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Fasteddy
User ID: 1324049 United States 06/08/2011 08:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The design would be easy to copy, the only thing holding me back from making one is the secret catalyst used in the nickel. As soon as that is listed in the patent people can build their own. I'm sure some people will be nervous and want to buy units that are production built, but we are close to have cheap energy with no bad side affects. There is no radiation produced! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1244165 United States 06/08/2011 08:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The nickel is in a powdered form mixed with catalysts. During operation, a small quantity is converted to copper. The spent fuel can be reprocessed to recover the catalysts, unconverted nickel and copper. Fusion reactions produce enormous quantities of energy while very tiny quantities of matter are actually consumed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419448From the FAQ at peswiki.com "How much fuel does the Energy Catalyzer consume?" "Very little. One hundred grams of nickel powder will power the device for six months. However, since only a small amount of that nickel will have reacted with the hydrogen 90% of the nickel will remain. It can be extracted, re-processed, and re-used as fuel." [link to peswiki.com] Not calling BS just yet, but I would like to explore the notion of converting nickel to copper. How do you do that? And if you can do convert nickel to copper, then why not lead to gold? Or copper to gold? Smells of alchemy to me... And you are what, the Worlds Self Appointed FUCKTARD against "alchemy". Get a life. I AM THE SELF-APPOINTED LORD, MASTER AND PROTECTOR OF ALL FUCKTARDS GREAT AND SMALL (That includes indigent and impotent FUCKTARDS like yourself, you sawed-off, dunce cap wearing alchemist) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1244165 United States 06/08/2011 08:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not calling BS just yet, but I would like to explore the notion of converting nickel to copper. How do you do that? And if you can do convert nickel to copper, then why not lead to gold? Or copper to gold? Smells of alchemy to me... Quoting: 21SchizoidManNickel is #28 on the periodic table. Copper is 29, so by combining an atom of nickel with an atom of hydrogen, you add 1 additional proton and create copper. A tiny amount of the mass is converted into energy in the process. In hot fusion, two hydrogen atoms combine to create one helium atom, but it requires a temperature of millions of degrees and extremely high pressure. Cold fusion combines light elements with heaver elements and can take place at much lower temp and pressure. Of course, TPTB go to great lengths to convince the sheeple that this is impossible because the earth is flat and lies at the center of the universe. God almighty decreed that the rich rule over the poor and employ them as their slaves and that's the way it is! Thanks for the explanation. |
Burt Gummer
User ID: 1418941 United States 06/08/2011 08:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey Comedian, how would an American citizen go about investing in a Japanese company like say....Dengyo? Quoting: humuhumunukuapuaa[link to webcache.googleusercontent.com] 1) Set up a Panama trustee corporation (PTC). 2) Instruct that PTC to purchase shares in Dengyo. 3) Wait for stuff to happen. No need to get that complicated unless you are avoiding taxes. [link to investing.businessweek.com] |
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lancifer93
User ID: 1419179 Canada 06/08/2011 10:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | why does it need a patent? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 664728just publish it on the internet open source as all discoveries should belong to the entire HUMAN RACE we are supposed to be in this together Because, as I was told by some people who were really interested in backing my home-wood-steam power generator...people are too dumb to play with fire. If some idiot blows himself up with a boiler because he had a few too many and decided to charge his batteries...it would (could) simply be outlawed. Then viola, it is suppressed by law not corpgovmint (per se). So give the guy a patent, he's building one in Greece anyhow, and let him go with it. Then if one blows...(through sheer incompetence) it is the owners fault OR the builders fault and NOT in the gaze of Sauron for a full outlawing. Once his initial money/time/creativity, let it flourish with locally built units cheaply. Plant or Perish |