Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ | |
KHOSANNA
User ID: 12443 United States 09/09/2005 02:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The other thing, too is that if the Sanhedrin thought for one second that the apostles and others were lying about Jesus raising from the dead, I feel sure they would have gone and gotten that dead body and paraded it through the streets of the Old City. But they couldn´t do it, because He WAS NOT DEAD ANYMORE. Not only did the guards go AWOL, some of them were bribed by the Sanhedrin. "11While they were on their way, some of the soldiers who were to watch the grave came into the city. They told the head religious leaders everything that had happened. 12The soldiers gathered together with the other leaders and talked about what to do. The leaders gave much money to the soldiers. 13They said, "Tell the people, ´His followers came at night and took His body while we were sleeping.´ 14We will see that you do not get into trouble over this if Pilate hears about it." 15They took the money and did as they were told. This story was told among the Jews and is still told today." Matthew 28, New Life Version. Simon Greenleaf, the founder of Harvard Law School, set out to disprove the resurrection based on the laws of evidence. He ended up believing. Type his name in your browser and see what you get. What a Savior...what a hope. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24187 United Kingdom 09/09/2005 06:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The arguments that you present as evidence for the ´ressurrection´ of Yeshua ben Miriam are merely arguments for his being seen and spoken to after his death. Read the archives of the Society for Psychical Research in England and you will find many case stories of people who have seen, touched and spoken with their mothers or fathers after the latter died. There is nothing unique to the event of Yeshua communicating with those close to him after he had died. What, however, at first sight seems unique is the claim by Christians that he had the same body as the one that hung dead on a wooden cross. But read the life histories of some Indian yogis or mahatmas and you will find the same thing - after their deaths they appeared to their disciples after creating a body called the ´mayavi rupa´ - body of illusion. This body is formed from matter but exists temporarily for the purpose of communication between our world and spirits from higher planes of existence. In Yeshua´s case, he made it from his own dead body. But it was the same kind of temporary body that one often finds described in Indian literature about saints and great yogis. Its unstable nature was what made Yeshua warn one of his disciples not to touch him. So your arguments don´t prove a singular event in the history of mankind. Yeshua´s powers and his ´resurrection´ have their counterpart in some of the mahatmas of the East. |
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cossack47 User ID: 7101 United Kingdom 09/09/2005 09:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This does seem to be rather weak when you consider that the Jews supposedly knew of the "resurrection" yet continued , it seems, to be UNIMPRESSED by Jesus` claims of divinity.Furthermore,why would Jesus not demonstrate to the Sanhedrin that he was risen from the dead if he was so eager to be taken seriously--other miracles are claimed on his behalf in the gospels;presumably the Sanhedrin or their agents would have witnessed some yet one must assume, were not impressed enough to think this so out of the ordinary.Why would the "Son of God", having "defeated death" decide to live like a fugitive thereafter; one would expect him to confront the Sanhedrin in triumph;there would then have been absolutely no need for a "second coming" and the sum total of all human misery for the past two thousand years could have been avoided. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24089 United States 09/10/2005 01:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “What, however, at first sight seems unique is the claim by Christians that he had the same body as the one that hung dead on a wooden cross. “ If mainstream Churchianity is claiming this, they are incorrect. When Jesus appeared to two men on the road to Emmaus, they did not recognize Him. He was not recognized in the Garden tomb area by Mary Magdalene, one of His most devoted followers, until He made Himself recognizable to her. In contrast, the Apostle Peter and others knew Him as soon as they saw Him. About 400 years (or more) prior to this, Isaiah wrote that He was badly beaten before He was crucified. If He had the exact same body, He would have appeared as badly beaten at all the recorded appearances. He did not and, in fact, could make Himself unrecognizable to people that already knew Him well. “But it was the same kind of temporary body that one often finds described in Indian literature about saints and great yogis. “ Based on some of the accounts after His resurrection, I think that a resurrected body has the ability to transcend time, space, laws of matter and energy and it is not a temporary state. It is actually an ETERNAL state. Some of the Epistles address the issue of the spiritual body. “But read the life histories of some Indian yogis or mahatmas and you will find the same thing - after their deaths they appeared to their disciples after creating a body called the ´mayavi rupa´ - body of illusion. This body is formed from matter but exists temporarily for the purpose of communication between our world and spirits from higher planes of existence. In Yeshua´s case, he made it from his own dead body.“ I note you do NOT say they were resurrected. There is a difference. The women who discovered the empty tomb were told that He was not there, He had risen. The only thing left in that tomb were the burial wrappings and the face covering. If He used a body of illusion, as you say, then wouldn’t His physical body still have been in the tomb? “Its unstable nature was what made Yeshua warn one of his disciples not to touch him. “ No. According to the scriptures, he warned Mary not to touch Him because “I have not yet ascended unto my Father”. This issue is a study that requires a pretty deep level of Biblical research, because it is tied to the feasts of Israel. As to instability, the fact that He could make Himself recognizable or unrecognizable to those who knew Him indicates the opposite. For me, the thing that convinced me of the truth of the resurrection was actually a very simple concept: There is NO BODY. This man, Jesus Christ, had such an impact on this planet that Western civilization marked time itself by Him --BC (Before Christ) and AD (Anno Domine, in the year of our Lord). One would think that if His body was really rotting in the Garden Tomb, it would be protected and memorialized. But there is nothing like that in existence. Because there is no body. Because it’s just like the angel said, He is not here, He is risen. It’s not the life and death of Jesus Christ that scares the evil one, it’s the resurrection. The Bible says that if the ‘princes of this world’ knew what would be accomplished by the resurrection, they would never have crucified Him. And unfortunately, for Churchianity, they are far more interested in the prosperity gospel, political issues and entertainment. So you seldom hear them say “HE IS RISEN”. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 743 United States 09/10/2005 02:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to en.wikipedia.org] So your reasoning for Christ is circular, and therefore, illogical. In fact, to look back into history and claim this or that regarding Jesus is a exercise in futility to me. Just like the Bible has been woefully and radcially modified by human hand after human hand over the centuries, so too have the history stories and texts. I can´t believe any of the so-called "evidence" for Jesus, and therefore, I do not believe in Jesus. I am not Jewish... nor am I Christian. I am simply not religious, and do not see any need to ever require a deity in my life. Religion has caused far more pain in this world than things like racism ever have. And this is a useful concept, religion? Bah. |
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KHOSANNA
User ID: 20013 United States 09/10/2005 05:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I´m not religious, either. I am a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ. There is a difference, a vast one. As to the BC/AD thing, so what if it didn´t come into use until whenever? The point is that IT WAS USED. By a whole heck of a lot of people. That´s what I was trying to say. I totally agree with you when you say religion has caused a lot of trouble. Religion has done more to subvert the cause of Christ than just about anything else. |
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