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Cooper Nuclear Station in Nebraska is operating AT FULL CAPACITY..partial levee breach three miles upriver

 
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Some Missouri R. upstream gauges are showing a sharp rise./
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[link to water.weather.gov]
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Keep in mind that this weather system also went through the Big Sioux River area which feeds into the Missouri at Sioux City.

This couldn't have been a more Perfect Storm if I had a paint brush and brushed where this storm traveled.
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FUCKEN A!


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Some Missouri R. upstream gauges are showing a sharp rise./
[link to water.weather.gov]

[link to water.weather.gov]
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Here's the hydrograph of Brownville:

[link to water.weather.gov]

It is actually going down in the last few hours.
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Some Missouri R. upstream gauges are showing a sharp rise./
[link to water.weather.gov]

[link to water.weather.gov]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1280804


Here's the hydrograph of Brownville:

[link to water.weather.gov]

It is actually going down in the last few hours.
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the gauge appears to be N of 136..if I'm not mistaken the levee runs parallel to that road

maybe it's indicating a breech?

if it was just over topping the levee I don't think that in itself would make the level go down..
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Blam!!

Thread: BREAKING:::: 6-7" of rain on the Missouri river tonight in South Dakota!!
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Some Missouri R. upstream gauges are showing a sharp rise./
[link to water.weather.gov]

[link to water.weather.gov]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1280804


Here's the hydrograph of Brownville:

[link to water.weather.gov]

It is actually going down in the last few hours.
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the gauge appears to be N of 136..if I'm not mistaken the levee runs parallel to that road

maybe it's indicating a breech?

if it was just over topping the levee I don't think that in itself would make the level go down..
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the downstream gauge is going UP..this only makes sense imo following a breech..
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Some Missouri R. upstream gauges are showing a sharp rise./
[link to water.weather.gov]

[link to water.weather.gov]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1280804


Here's the hydrograph of Brownville:

[link to water.weather.gov]

It is actually going down in the last few hours.
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the gauge appears to be N of 136..if I'm not mistaken the levee runs parallel to that road

maybe it's indicating a breech?

if it was just over topping the levee I don't think that in itself would make the level go down..
 Quoting: RTS

the downstream gauge is going UP..this only makes sense imo following a breech..
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You're right. That would be my guess as well. The downstream hydrograph is at Rulo and can be seen here:

[link to water.weather.gov]
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LOOOK!!

Thread: BREAKING:::: 6-7" of rain on the Missouri river tonight in South Dakota!!
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[link to www.kmtv.com]
This was awhile ago too.
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Let's see how long you stay pinned.
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DOOM ON:

Thread: BREAKING:::: 6-7" of rain on the Missouri river tonight in South Dakota!!
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I found a very short article from 3 hours ago claiming the levee at Brownsville has been 'destroyed"

(snip)

"There are also big problems in Brownville, Nebraska.

A levee in town has been destroyed by the high water levels on the Missouri River."

[link to www.ksfy.com]

that seems to be the only 'confirmation' so far
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Re: Cooper Nuclear Station in Nebraska is operating AT FULL CAPACITY..partial levee breach three miles upriver



bumpHoly shit poeople

Hitch your boat up and start the car!
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Yah. This is RED ALERT TIME.
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[link to www.action3news.com]
May help some people stay on top of things
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Re: Cooper Nuclear Station in Nebraska is operating AT FULL CAPACITY..partial levee breach three miles upriver
13 is in the house:


Thread: Double 13's = Double Jeopardy = Calhoun Meltdown??
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NLE "coincidence"??

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Think on this:

Thread: Who here thinks?
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Don’t worry, radiation is much safer now, it’s not like it use to be when it was dangerous.
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Re: Cooper Nuclear Station in Nebraska is operating AT FULL CAPACITY..partial levee breach three miles upriver
Doesn't matter whether the Fort Calhoun Plant is running or not, a Fukushima type event can still happen.
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aynrand I think that it is intended to happen.
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Re: Cooper Nuclear Station in Nebraska is operating AT FULL CAPACITY..partial levee breach three miles upriver
Since they won't have a tsunami on the Missouri, the cooling system will be intact. Presumably if they lose regular electric power they are equipped with adequate diesel generators. (If they aren't even ready with that, they are morons, so I'll assume they are ready.)

So cooling can continue of the spent fuel pools at Ft. Calhoun, although if the river water floods the fuel pool, perhaps some radioactivity may make contact with water flowing downstream -- or maybe not. Also the minerals in the water could possibly corrode the zircalloy coating on the fuel rods. One thing we don't have to worry about for a long time is that the rods will be dry exposed to air, although that becomes a big concern when the flood recedes!

I am concerned about the effect of river water on electronics operating the plant, especially for operating reactors. If those get flooded out, it could be a big mess and things go out of control.
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Fukushima's problem was with idiotic site engineering. Their motor controllers were not floodproof and they were built where flooding took them out. No Controller = no running motor.

Pumps for sea water cooling to the condensers did not work. Pumps for condensate from the condenser to the Reactor did not work. The Emergency Diesel Generators that could have supplied the pumps with electricity were inoperable. Their fuel tanks had been washed away. Even the cooling pumps for the Emergency Diesel Generators were inoperable. Easily the most atrocious case of Bad Engineering the world had ever seen. They did not even build a sea wall to protect Fukushima when they knew they had a history of run ups along the coast that exceeded forty feet. Total insanity that Fukushima was allowed to start up and run for 40 years with nobody noticing all of the Engineering errors!


American plants are engineered better than that. Well, at least we hope so. If you believe in prayer, pray that the Japanese engineers who designed Fukushima site did not help with the site arrangements in Nebraska.
 Quoting: JoeNeubarth


Emergency vents praised by American officials as the devices which will save American nuclear plants from devastating hydrogen explosions were put to the test in Japan — and failed miserably.

Experts and officials at the Fukushima Daiichi plant said vents put in place to prevent hydrogen explosions have failed. These are the same vents praised by American officials and currently installed on most US nuclear plants. The recent revelation calls into question the safety of American nuclear facilities. US officials have continually promised American plants were up to code and fully secure. The vent failures have many worried.
Thread: **Fukushima vent failures dire sign for Americans**
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Wow..this is good news if you can believe it..

Both nuclear plants in Nebraska are designed to withstand an earthquake with a magnitude of about 6.0.

Schieffer said Cooper is designed to withstand winds up to 300 mph and a 1 million-year flood.

Fort Calhoun is built to withstand winds up to 500 mph and a 1,000-year flood, Bannister said.

Doom over??
 Quoting: RTS

The claim that the Cooper nuclear plant is designed to withstand a million year flood is utterly preposterous.

I'ts no wonder that officials from the Nebraska nuclear plant were advising the Japanese in the wake of the Fukishima disaster. You see how that's worked out.

There has been numerous periods of glaciation in Nebraska over the past million years. One of them in fact was known as the Nebraskan stage of glaciation, which extended into the past million years.

The last time the glaciers went through the area of these nuclear plants in Nebraska, was during the Wisconsin stage of glaciation, that spanned 14-25 thousand years ago. Each time these glacial eras went through, with the glaciers advancing and retreating, they dramatically changed the landscape. When the Wisconsin stage glaciers went through this part of Nebraska, it left up to 60 feet of glacial till in it's wake, on top of the bedrock and glacial till from previous eras.

So the Nebraska nuclear plant operators tell you they are prepared for a million year flood. But would they be prepared for the hundreds of foot thick glacier that went through 14,000 years ago?

When glaciers retreat, they typically leave large bodies of water as they melt. The plant would have been ready for that, which went through 14,000 years ago? After the topography had changed by 60 feet?

It doesn't make any sense.

The Nebraska nuclear plant is ready for a million year flood, just like their buddies in Fukushima who they were advising were ready for the 500 year earthquake. What a bunch of bozos.
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wow forget fukushima - ' this is where the party's at!'

you know, you lot might want to evacuate the country.. tell you what,, The Queen might give you some of Canada and Australia,(theres plenty of land) IF you allow the UK! to use a significant amount of your ridiculusly vast oil reserves in the GOM and Alaska...
I say its a fair deal.
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Wow..this is good news if you can believe it..

Both nuclear plants in Nebraska are designed to withstand an earthquake with a magnitude of about 6.0.

Schieffer said Cooper is designed to withstand winds up to 300 mph and a 1 million-year flood.

Fort Calhoun is built to withstand winds up to 500 mph and a 1,000-year flood, Bannister said.

Doom over??
 Quoting: RTS

The claim that the Cooper nuclear plant is designed to withstand a million year flood is utterly preposterous.

I'ts no wonder that officials from the Nebraska nuclear plant were advising the Japanese in the wake of the Fukishima disaster. You see how that's worked out.

There has been numerous periods of glaciation in Nebraska over the past million years. One of them in fact was known as the Nebraskan stage of glaciation, which extended into the past million years.

The last time the glaciers went through the area of these nuclear plants in Nebraska, was during the Wisconsin stage of glaciation, that spanned 14-25 thousand years ago. Each time these glacial eras went through, with the glaciers advancing and retreating, they dramatically changed the landscape. When the Wisconsin stage glaciers went through this part of Nebraska, it left up to 60 feet of glacial till in it's wake, on top of the bedrock and glacial till from previous eras.

So the Nebraska nuclear plant operators tell you they are prepared for a million year flood. But would they be prepared for the hundreds of foot thick glacier that went through 14,000 years ago?

When glaciers retreat, they typically leave large bodies of water as they melt. The plant would have been ready for that, which went through 14,000 years ago? After the topography had changed by 60 feet?

It doesn't make any sense.

The Nebraska nuclear plant is ready for a million year flood, just like their buddies in Fukushima who they were advising were ready for the 500 year earthquake. What a bunch of bozos.

 Quoting: hatch battener 1437002


yup..I agree

you'd think they would've done better during the last flood in 93 if that were the case..

(snip)

So what happened during the previous flooding? Here’s an excerpt worth reading:

“An NRC Information Notice subsequently issued nearly a year later (NRC IN-94-27) indicated that below grade rooms in the reactor and turbine buildings had extensive leakage with rising water levels. The notice stated that “the floor drain system had backed up so that standing water from within areas known to be radiologically contaminated had migrated out into designated clean areas.”1 The NRC inspectors noted that plant personnel “had not established measures to divert the water away from important components.” For example, water levels rising inside the reactor building impinged on electrical cables and equipment such as the Reactor Core Isolation Cooling (RCIC) pump room causing the circuitry to ground out. “This event demonstrates that flooding problems and degradation of equipment may be caused by water in leakage even though flood waters are not above grade elevations,” the information notice indicated. The RCIC system is critical to plant safety in the event of loss of offsite power and a condition known as “Station Blackout.””

[link to crisisjones.wordpress.com]

I also learned that Cooper has had three Hydrogen Explosions since 1975..

(snip)

The first close call. The Brownville, Nebraska Cooper Nuclear Power Plant: On November 5, 1975 the plant had been operating a year and a half. Hydrogen gas leaking from the reactor core exploded from an air sampler spark and injured and contaminated two workers, and damaged the plant boiling water reactor and an auxiliary building.

The second close call. On January 7, 1976, two months after the hydrogen gas explosion that injured two men, an ice plug formed at the top of the 325 foot off-gas stack, producing a back pressure and build up of hydrogen in the building. The building was evacuated, and shortly thereafter an explosion completely demolished the building; the reactor was shut down immediately. There were no personnel injuries. There was some release of radioactivity on site, but it did not reach the site boundary. “…levels of activity at the site boundary were below maximum permissible concentrations throughout the accident.”

The third close call. A news release in mid-September, 1999 described a hydrogen gas explosion at the Cooper Nuclear Power Plant, causing the shutdown of the reactor. An electrical problem in sump pumps at the base of the plant’s gas release towers caused the hydrogen explosion.

[link to sustainabledevint.com]
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Both nuclear plants in Nebraska are designed to withstand an earthquake with a magnitude of about 6.0.

Schieffer said Cooper is designed to withstand winds up to 300 mph and a 1 million-year flood.

Fort Calhoun is built to withstand winds up to 500 mph and a 1,000-year flood, Bannister said."



Absolutebsflag

a million year flood would equate to the melting of continental miles thick glaciers after a major ICE AGE!
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38 tornado reports so far with this storm..

[link to www.spc.noaa.gov]

it's getting ugly on the Regional Radar..

[link to radar.weather.gov]

Omaha Radar..it's getting close (T-5-10 minutes)

[link to radar.weather.gov]

Jim Cantore is in Omaha on TWC sirens are going off there

75 mph straightline winds expected
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idk where your getting your info, BUT I LIVE HERE, and there were only 2 tornadoes and on the MIDWEST part of the state. one was pretty big and the other a dud, but nothing anywhere near Omaha. Go ahead, get ppl worked up u flippin fear monger. your not even from here yet you post like you know everything. ppl like you are ruining sites like this. GLP is really losing credibility with its hype on this story. its one thing to follow the story and keep ppl updated, but to lie and keep ppl scared is another thing. im starting to see GLP and its users for what they really are. and so is the rest of the country.
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Don’t worry, radiation is much safer now, it’s not like it use to be when it was dangerous.
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cruise @ Japan!
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Re: Cooper Nuclear Station in Nebraska is operating AT FULL CAPACITY..partial levee breach three miles upriver
It looks like they're admitting to a partial breach at this point..

earlier they were predicting imminent failure Sunday night and another report said the levee was "destroyed"

it would be good if someone could get close enough to get a picture so we could know for sure what's happening..


(snip)

In Atchison County, there was a nearly steady flow of water over a half-mile stretch of a levee near U.S. 136 and overtopping at various points to the north of that area, said Mark Manchester, deputy director of emergency management for the county. He said the river level in the county had reached 44.6 feet, the highest on record and about 4 to 5 inches higher than 1993 flooding levels.

The water was flooding several thousand acres of farmland, but so far no homes had been inundated since a breach this past Monday caused about a dozen homes to take on water, Manchester said.

Because of the high waters, U.S. 136 was closing near the Missouri-Nebraska border.

He said residents in the area had already evacuated their homes, and officials who operate the levee went up in a helicopter and saw several "pretty good size holes starting to form."

Kneuvean, the corps official in Kansas City, said that whenever a levee is being overtopped to the extent occurring in Atchison County, the best hope is that it stays intact for 12 hours. After that, "all bets are off," he said.

A complete breach of the levee could displace up to 200 more people.

Meanwhile, in Nebraska, the flooding alert issued by the Nebraska Public Power District for the Cooper Nuclear Station near Brownville, Neb., didn't stop the plant from operating at full capacity Sunday. The Fort Calhoun Station, another nuclear plant along the Missouri River in eastern Nebraska, issued a similar alert June 6. That plant near Blair, Neb., has been shut down since April and will not be reactivated until the flooding subsides.

Jodi Fawl, spokeswoman for the Nebraska Emergency Management Agency, said water was flowing over a levee in the Brownville area and into farmland, but the levee was being built up to alleviate that.

more @ [link to www.businessweek.com]

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well there is another storm centered right over those states that feed the river. it is just sitting there spinning over 3 or 4 states dropping more water for the flood of the ?????





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