Do you think Christianity allows for the possibility of reincarnation?

Hello OP,

I am unable to find support in scripture for reincarnation.

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peace,

Can you find any scripture that completely negates the possibility?

John 3:8
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Thanks for your reply,

The verse found in Hebrews seems unambiguous to me.

I have read others stipulate that John The Baptist was Elijah reincarnated as scripture indicates that he was the Spirit of Elijah. But 2 Kings 2 shows us that Elijah never died rather he was taken up.

So it would seem to not add support for reincarnation, since reincarnation is a death and rebirth. Rather this incident 'appears' to have been a soul/spirit transfer from one vessel to another.

But I suppose nothing is impossible with God. TBH, I would not desire to make another trip through this strange land in this natural vessel.

Thanks for reading my humble views.

peace,

Well the issue of Thomas comes up, where he didnt recognize Jesus after the resurrection, suggesting that the reappearance was in a different individual form,
in any respect, being 'born again' takes on new and novel meaning, and personally I think that reincarnation exists if there is but ONE likely case, and that in itself demonstrates a supernatural dimension which in and of itself essentially verifies the existence of god, as there is no other need or benefit by strict natural method, for the process of recycling spiritual energies as personalities and histories. The whole process suggests the concept of a spiritual evolution similar to that discribed in the Urantia book and other places.
PLENTY of documented reincarnations, in various cultures, read Dr Stevensons books if interested in a more scholarly methodology.

The Bible prophecied that Elijah would be 'reincarnated' before christ came... It was John the Baptist... He did not have the soul of Elijah, but he had the spirit...

also consider this:

... it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest (the day you die) from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve (life as we know it)...
...That thou shalt [metaphorically] take up this proverb against the king of [Spiritual] Babylon (Lucifer/Satan/Oppression/Empiredom), and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city (as a golden idol, a crafted image of something--a polity/policy/perception/principal that is not eternal) ceased!

I agree about the Hebrews verse. However, if I wanted to make an argument against what some would say it means... It is appointed once for a man to die. I can dig that, however it says nothing about the soul dying. Can a soul inhabit many bodies? That is the question the verse does not answer.

Who says that incarnation has a beginning or an end?

Re-incarnation implies that it does.

Being is eternal...

You could say that but why not just say what the Bible says, all will be raised again; the righteous to everlasting life with transformed immortal bodies, the lost to the white throne judgment before the lake of fire burned up gone for ever, the second death for which there is no coming back.

John 3

1There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

establishes background of Nicodemus as a ruler of the Jews.

2The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Nicodemus was sent to find out if Jesus was the prophesied messiah. We know this because he asked if God be with him
emanual is the name of the prophesied messiah. The name means god is with us.

3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Nicodemus knew that the prophesied messiah would bring the kindom of god to earth. But Jesus wanted him to know that is was not time for the kindom of god on earth.

Jesus said you must be born again/Reincarnated to a time much later in order to see the kindom of god.

The reality of NO-time - the kingdom 'within' - not of this world.

Thanks for your reply,

I Agree. That verse does not answer such a question. I hope you find the answers you are seeking.

peace to you,

I have considered that idea. If a soul is eternal and not bound to time then it has always existed, and we have incarnated.

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life (spirit); and man became a living soul.

Here we see the Biblical definition of a soul...
Spirit+Body=Soul
If Spirit leaves body, soul ceases to exist and is 'dead'...



Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth (err), it shall die. Ezek 18:4

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

God exists above space/time and from His point of view, everything that will occur has already occurred and from the 'beginning' all things were determined, similar to a mathematical computation of end-results based on interactions between matter/processes/systems in a space/time event-scenario...

The soul is NOT eternal as far as Bible doctrine is concerned...

But there is good news. Christ has conquered death, space, and time... Christ can bring you back as if you never died, complete with all your experiences and memories of life, etc... This is what the Bible teaches is going to happen...

Physical Ressurection. You will meet your maker face to face...

Last Edited by GUANO on 06/22/2011 07:38 PM

There were teachings from Jesus regarding reincarnation but the Church held councils editing out what they didn't like. They killed off the many Christian sects that existed early on, and held more councils over the centuries, editing the bible more-so much for divinely inspired.

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Jesus would fucking puke at what has become of his teachings!!

Yes, Reincarnation is how it works on Earth!!

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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!

Read the Apocrypha, the lost books. You may find more there as only traces of reincarnation remain in the Bible after centuries of omissions and edits. Research the Cathars, the Bogomils, and other early Christian sects that were persecuted by the Catholic Church.

NO...

We as SOul endowed beings created in the Image of GOD do not re-incarnate

Maybe animals do..They do not have a Soul but they have a spirit so like there is a Gazillion rabbits they re-incarnate there spirit that is why animals are plentiful.

But GOD wants to give us the treasures of our hearts so because people love there personal pets we will have the same spirit of our cat, dog etc in the Divine Realm...

1 Thessalonians 4:17 - "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

A Resounding NO!

reincarnation of the world maybe, maybe not at individual points. So maybe no1 on earth will live two earth lives or more while someone else lives one and then says I feel like I know you. So maybe you rest as do everyone then the whole is judged and then when it says you will be made kings and preists in a different order than maybe you were judged on the last earth cycle and either have a better or poorer life. Than again no1 knows for sure so you may have a fear of water coz you went down in a ship in your last life. dunno

Can you imagine having to put up with this craphole of a world again? Not much of a God would He be if reincarnation were the plan...

And you sir, don't have a clue!!

Even the Hebrews knew reincarnation is how it works!!

In Hebrew, the word gilgul means "cycle."

Neshamot is the plural for "souls."

Souls "cycle" through "lives" or "incarnations." These souls attach themselves to different bodies - human and nonhuman- over time.

The most basic component of the soul is called the nefesh.

The nefesh is always part of the gilgul process. It must leave the physical body at the stage of death.
Then, that soul without a body moves into another body where life has begun. This is the cycling of souls.
There are four other soul components and different nations of the world possess different forms of souls with different purposes.

The essential Kabbalistic text that discusses the idea of "gilgul" is called Sha'ar Ha'Gilgulim ("The Gate of Reincarnations"), based on the work of Rabbi Isaac Luria (and compiled by his disciple, Rabbi Chaim Vital). It describes the deep, complex laws of reincarnation. One concept that arises from Sha'ar Ha'gilgulim is the idea that "gilgul" is paralleled physically by pregnancy.

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Last Edited by HardTruth on 06/22/2011 09:24 PM

If you view non-canonized texts like the Gospel of Thomas from the Nag Hammadi scrolls you will find views of reincarnation. Is Christianity only what the canonized bible says it is? You decide.

Doesn't necessarily preclude reincarnation. Each "person" does indeed die once and is judged. Even according to those who believe in reincarnation.

Each SOUL however is immortal and may be born time and again as a "person", who dies once. The person dies, but if there is a judgment afterwords as the scripture states, then it supposes that the soul carries on after that person has died does it not? That is the very Christian belief at it's core.


So now we have a soul, according to scripture that lives on past the death of the "person" that it inhabited, that died, once.


Nothing about that passage disproves that the particular soul goes on to do after judgment.

Those that believe in reincarnation also believe that the soul is judged, that's the WHOLE PURPOSE of existence in the flesh. To act, and react, and be judged.

But think about judgment. Those who believe in reincarnation as a religious tenant of faith understand that judgment is seen not through the eyes of God alone, but through the eyes of those they affected in life. The actions that soul took while here in the vehicle of the body.

Every thing you've done good or bad is weighed by your own soul, but you can only feel that weight in the truest sense when you can see your actions through the eyes of those that were affected by you.

For example when you hit someone, if you experience that act of violence from the person you inflicted it on, and all of those that suffered due to it, the kids of that person, or the hospital staff that had to stress and fix the wound, and then see how they brought that negativity home and acted sour to their kids or spouses, who were then put in a bad mood...you get to SEE and Understand exactly what the course of your actions took, for the good, and the bad.

This is judgment. This is how God experiences things, through us. And we are inseparable from God, eternally. We are the eyes, and sensory organs of God, going through eternity experiecing everything that it means to be God, the infinite wellspring of things beyond our reckoning.

If there is reincarnation, be sure there's evidence to support it, and there is plenty out there to find for yourself. If there isn't then all the more reason to give as much of your one precious life in living to the fullest.

soul only means living creature

soul is used 800 times in the Bible but never as immortal

animals have souls

souls eat and are eaten

they live and die


but they are not immortal

go back to Genesis
Adam and Eve were only "very good" and then became mortal (or subject to death)

immortality is only granted AFTER judgment

so you premise is incorrect

no reincarnation

I believe some reincarnation takes place.

However, anyone who manages to get saved should not desire reincarnation, because they would be forced to take on Sin again and go through the whole-process of re-finding Christ.

This is due to two things: 1. The Veil of Forgetfulness. Each human that is born passes through the confusing, Negative Astral Plane as they enter their new body. In the future, this confusion will be gone, and the saved will be free to incarnate without the possibility of losing their grace.

2. "Born in Sin" Humans take on Negative Polarity when they come out of the womb.

Perhaps there is a system to bypass these problems by altering the formula (not the laws) but on paper this is how it is.

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As for the unsaved: Most of the unsaved will simply gravitate to a place in the negative astral where their energy is drawn. There, they will be led by peers, or be leaders themselves, or be left alone entirely.

Those who expect reincarnation will most likely find it.

However, each incarnation of a non-saved person is exponentially more negative than the last, which is why we have so many negative, terrible, animalistic people in this time.

Typically, the lie is that if you reincarnate you will have a better life from your good karma.

The truth is, there is no good Karma, right now, that can lift a person out of negative polarity.

Only Christ can save.

no

hi OP the higher level of christ concious understanding is these things. I was not sure eithier, but kept reading as a near death experience researcher for a decade now about people who came back understanding reincarnation to be true even one that met Jesus and Jesus told this person "our lives are recycled". The Essenes beleived in pre-existance of the soul, and this is the group John the Baptist came out of as well as Jesus celebrated passover with them (this was confirmed by the pope in 2007) and also celebrated with the Qumran calander which was the Essene calander. You can google and find the article. They also did not eat meat or drink wine, much documents were changed at the council of Nicea to bring in the christian ideas to more people and Constantine. Anyway, what I have come to understand is that this is a higher level of understanding along with much more as your heart comes closer to the creator and wants more truths.