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(OP) User ID: 6502 United States 09/12/2005 10:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey brother can you spare a bump??? Are you people paying attention??? Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science. _____________________________________ Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner. Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide. Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
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(OP) User ID: 14768 United States 09/12/2005 11:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Woo Hoo!! Thanks you all!!!! I really would like to see someone with the big brass ones arrest a FEMA official, than watch the mainstream media squirm trying to cover it up, LOL!!! Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science. _____________________________________ Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner. Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide. Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
America love it or leave it User ID: 901 United States 09/12/2005 11:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey you guys that want this country to fall and die you may get your wish. why would an american want to kill american, I just donīt get it. Some Americans give thier life for this country and some of you leftys want to kill it. Why donīt do that if you donīt like it just go where you like it . leave us alone we like it , itīs not perfect but I donīt see any of you leaving. If I hated as much as you do Iīd move elsewhere. We will understand and good luck in iraq or maybe france, buyyyyyyyyyand adios. |
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User ID: 508 United States 09/12/2005 11:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As much as I love the local officials standing up to FEMA, we must realize that there is the possibility of a downward spiral... These types of challenges have been rehearsed... ---- Something frightening happened in Kingsville, Texas on Monday night, February 8, 1999. My intelligence comes from sixteen days of coverage comprising twelve documents from WorldNetDaily [link to www.wnd.com] reporter, David M. Bresnahan. What follows is a summation of the events to the best of my knowledge. I would much appreciate corroborating intelligence from independent resources not affiliated with WorldNetDaily. Their coverage and analysis is usually excellent, but for accuracy in reporting other sources must be exploited. Kingsville, Texas 990208 OPERATION LAST DANCE The only warning to residents came from flyers distributed in a limited area shortly before the mock attack began. Very few residents or business owners reported seeing the flyers. Secret Joint Army/Police Training Exercise in civilian occupied town lasting several hours. The United States Army Special Operations Command was conducting a training exercise in our area. Asst. Police Chief, Arthur Rogers Local officials claim they were sworn to secrecy. The Army wanted the exercise to be conducted in a realistic environment. Mayor Phil Esquivel and Police Chief Felipe Garza reported they were sworn to secrecy for national security reasons. They asked me to keep it secret. I respect national security. It was very well controlled and no one was hurt. It didnt expend city taxpayer dollars. It did not put citizens of Kingsville in jeopardy. Were supporting national security. Mayor Phil Esquivel It was a training exercise that would insure national security if we ever need it. I was asked not to disclose what armed services or what division of the armed services it was in, but it is supporting national security. Mayor Phil Esquivel 8 Low flying, unmarked, black helicopters with rapid deployment forces (Delta Team) rappelling into town. Explosives and live, automatic small arms fire from ground troops verified by Army. Knight Stalkers: elite unit from the Delta Force (trained to conduct assassination missions, according to several retired military officers who had served in various special operations assignments) named, using live rounds (training rounds have plastic bullets and not a full load of powder). The claim of training simunitions is disputed by anonymous active-duty Army captain. Spent .308 ammunition (suggesting heavier, mini-gun employment or foreign weapons usage) and shotgun shells marked HATTON Pattern Solid were recovered. Night Stalkers: 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment specially trained helicopter regiment stationed in both Fort Campbell, Kentucky and Hunter Army Airfield, Georgia. Training includes high-speed, treetop level flight at night. Members of the elite Night Stalkers and the Delta Force are now located at Fort Sam Houston, according to Phil Reidinger, public affairs officer. We paint them black so that the bad guys can´t see us coming. I dont know what X-Files episode started the paranoia about the black helicopters. [Note that statement if you plan on doing any research on black helicopters and the associated conspiracies.] Those are American pilot with American soldier who love this country in those helicopters. [Note: the basic denial of multinationals, it will come up again.] Zumwalt, anonymous soldier explaining to crowd at presentation at The Corpus Christy City Council. One recent night training exercise included seven Pave Lows receiving four inflight refuelings each during a nearly eight hour flight. The exercise concluded with the helicopters arriving within two seconds of their target time and unloading thirty men each in 5 seconds. Terry Griswald & D.M. Giangreco, U.S. Special Forces: Delta Americas Counterterrorist Force, 1992 I should have more detail on these elite units soon. Damage to police station (fire/considered destroyed, helicopter hit a telephone pole) and a nearby commercial building (helicopter landed on the roof/extensive damage, back door blasted). Evidence of bullet holes in walls, explosions from grenades, and other explosive charges could be seen (photographic record exists). If there was any damage done, they were going to repair it, but I havent gotten an assessment of the properties. Mayor Phil Esquivel The Army Special Operations Command at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, has confirmed the event was the kick off of a series of similar training operations (@least 5) going on in Kingsville, Corpus Christi, and Fort Sam Houston. Additional training events will take place each day until Feb. 20. Austin, Annaville, San Antonio and Calallen also report operations. One witness to the exercise told WorldNetDaily that the Soldiers appeared to be multi-national, but this could not be confirmed. WorldNetDaily was denied permission to witness other events. The press cannot observe because of some of the tactics that we use. We do try to protect those. Another is safety. Carol Darby, civilian public affairs officer for the Army Special Operations Command at Fort Bragg. San Antonio Chief of Police Al Philipus complained of attempts to bribe him into letting the Army Delta Force into his town for training exercises. The Army was doing some sort of extraction type thing. They used eight helicopters. Our training involved sealing off the area, as if we were involved in taking care of a hazardous materials type incident. We were rerouting traffic and making sure there was no civilian foot traffic in the area. So we got quite a bit of training in that area. The only participation on the part of the Kingsville Police Department was in a hazardous materials training session. We did not participate in any way with what the Army was doing. Lt. Judy Hayed of the Kingsville Police Department told Alex Jones, an Austin radio talk show host. Throughout the interview with Jones, two men in black SWAT team uniforms stood behind her. Jones believes it was an attempt to intimidate him. The Kingsville Fire Department was not given notice of the exercise, and it was not invited to participate in the alleged hazardous materials training, even though it would be called in if there were a real event of that kind. Federal Emergency Management Agency coordinator Thomas Sanchez is the head of emergency management for Kingsville, also served in Naval Intelligence (internal investigation type services). He describes the scenario the Knight Stalkers most likely acted upon. He was not invited to take part in the alleged haz-mat exercise. I can tell you specifically. In my humble opinion, based on my background, the scenario if I were creating this ops plan [is that] martial law has been declared through presidential powers and war powers act, and some citizens have refused to give up their weapons. They have taken over two of. They have taken over two of the buildings in Kingsville. The police cannot handle it. So you call these guys in. The show up and the zap (what does that mean) everyone, take all the weapons, and let the local P.D. clean it up. In urban warfare, the militarization of the police, this thing got out of order. The citizens did not comply with executive order so and so. They refused to give up their weapons Its a done deal. I think theres some U.N. folks involved in this thing too You know, we took an oath when we got sworn in to defend our country against foreign and domestic enemies. It doesnt say what kind of domestic enemies. It could include guys in black uniforms in the assassination squads and so on. Thomas Sanchez Sanchez states that the military exercise in his town was illegal under the Posse Comitatus Act, but he says that Presidential Decision Directive 25 has given an exception to Special Operations. He believes the men involved have total immunity from any legal action against them. Although PDD 25 is top secret, Sanchez has seen it because of his position with FEMA, and he has a security clearance. He would not provide a copy to WorldNetDaily. Presidential Decision Directive 25 is the document being used to authorize the military to participate in domestic police action. Only a brief summary is available to the public. Clinton Administration Policy on Reforming Multilateral Peace Operations (PDD 25) Released on the WWW by the Bureau of International Organizational Affairs, U.S. Department of State, February 22, 1996 [link to www.gmu.edu] There was a group of people, unidentified, who got into possession of some classified material without a hand receipt, Reidinger explained to WorldNetDaily of the scenario for the [Fort Sam Houston] exercise. So they can get it. Thats what it was (laughing). Gov. George W. Bush, R-Texas, says it is not his job to get involved in the concerns over Army Night Stalkers using live ammunition in a civilian area of his state. What happened in Kingsville, Texas, Monday night? Residents report unmarked helicopters, soldiers dropping from ropes [link to www.wnd.com] Shroud of secrecy over urban war game Police station torched in pitched grenade battle in Texas [link to www.wnd.com] Fear and loathing in Kingsville, Texas Local residents fuming over Army live-fire exercise [link to www.wnd.com] Is the Army invading Texas? Officials, residents concerned about rash of exercises [link to www.wnd.com] Bush says maneuvers not his business It´s a matter between Army, local officials, governor says [link to www.wnd.com] Army admits live ammo used Insist explosives, gunfire only from ground troops [link to www.wnd.com] Training ammo claim disputed Military sources say Army is lying about Kingsville raid [link to www.wnd.com] Yes, Texas, there are black helicopters Army source says they are real, as exercise nears end [link to www.wnd.com] Press charges rough treatment Latest fireworks in Texas Army training exercise [link to www.wnd.com] The military´s new cowboys? Heightened concerns about Night Stalkers, Delta Force [link to www.wnd.com] Inside view of Night Stalkers Some vets have reservations about special unit [link to www.wnd.com] Congressman defends Army maneuvers Live-fire city exercises needed for realistic training? [link to www.wnd.com] New live-fire exercise to begin Alabama site of next Night Stalker maneuver [link to www.wnd.com] War games come to Monterey But state commission nixes beach invasion [link to www.wnd.com] *yar har fiddley dee plunder the market 'cause a pirate is free* |
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User ID: 504 United States 09/13/2005 12:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fescado, thank you. Very imformative. Bill Cooper used to talk about these exercises. I recall one that was done in Chicago. Live explosives were used, scaring the shit out of residents (and rightly so, for more than one reason). |
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User ID: 504 United States 09/13/2005 01:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | for Fescado - In the wake of a counter-terrorism training mission that brought terror into his city, shell-shocked Charlotte mayor Pat McCrory is calling for a cease-fire of sorts. A recent Special Forces exercise frightened many residents of this bustling business city in central North Carolina, and intensified national concerns over the already controversial "urban warfare" drills. The U.S. Army Special Operations Command (USASOC) has staged similar operations in over twenty U.S. cities during the last few years, but the Charlotte exercise -- code-named "Cauldron Chariot" -- has sparked more media attention and city government protest than any previous incident. "We were misled," charges McCrory, who bitterly recalls a visit by two USASOC representatives three months before the operation. According to McCrory, the Army officers attained his permission to simulate commando raids in downtown areas, with the understanding that the exercise would be a "low-key, in-and-out operation" using "possibly one helicopter." The Special Forces team had something else in mind. As Cauldron Chariot was launched on the night of March 4, 1997, a dozen Black Hawk helicopters descended into the city. The craft disgorged the Special Forces troops, who laid siege to empty buildings, firing rifles and blasting out doors with explosives. "How they thought they could come in and out without any disturbance is beyond me," McCrory later said. "It was almost like a blitzkrieg operation. People went and got their guns. I feel fortunate no one was hurt." While there were no injuries to Charlotte residents, the Defense Departmentīs credibility took a major beating over the exercises. As is the standard practice with the USASOC drills, the citizens of Charlotte were given no forewarning of the siege in their city. Alarmed and confused, many individuals contacted city officials for answers. Mayor McCrory fielded several calls at his home. "I could barely hear the callers because of the helicopter noise and the gunfire in the background," he reports. Now McCrory is making some noise of his own about the incident, taking his complaints all the way to the Commander-in-Chief. On April 16, McCrory wrote to President Clinton to inform the White House just how unsettling the Cauldron Chariot ride had been for Charlotte. "The exercise," McCrory wrote, "was misrepresented to all parties involved," leaving city officials unprepared when the maneuvers began. "Had we known the scope of the operation, we would have never allowed it to take place." The incident "caused fear and anger among our citizens," McCrory told Clinton. "It is also clear that had anything gone wrong, our citizens could have indeed been in danger, a fact that was never mentioned in the few and incomplete planning discussions for the exercise." The helicopters may have presented the greatest threat to public safety. The Federal Aviation Administration is investigating whether the flights, for which the FAA received no notification, violated laws or caused potential danger. The incident has led to a groundswell of media coverage of USASOCīs urban warfare training. On April 13, a front-page Washington Post article reviewed the controversy in Charlotte and other major cities that have served as combat zones for the exercises. (These include Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, Houston, Los Angeles, New Orleans, Miami, Pittsburgh and Seattle.) A week later, National Public Radio devoted a lengthy news segment to the operations. In an interview with NPR, USASOC spokesman Lt. Col. Pete Pierce said that even in light of the recent complaints, "we are going to continue urban training." The military argues that in order to effectively prepare for counter-terrorism operations, the Special Forces units must practice their tactics in actual cities, where they face many of the same obstacles they might encounter in an urban combat situation. It would be a bad idea to inform local residents in advance, the Defense Department says, because the secretive operations might then become surrounded by spectators. As one Army official told the Post: "They donīt want their equipment photographed. They donīt want their tactics, operations and procedures known." Due to its extreme efforts to keep these exercises hush-hush, the Pentagon must now pay the price of alienating cities like Charlotte, which joins the growing list of cities where these operations will no longer be welcome. As Mayor McCrory concluded his letter to President Clinton, he wrote: "I can only hope the Department of Defense learned from this experience and that they will not subject other cities to the fear and confusion they created in Charlotte. Rest assured, we learned a valuable lesson and will be on our guard should we receive any other requests to stage training exercises in this city." [link to www.parascope.com] |
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(OP) User ID: 2266 United States 09/13/2005 04:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Understand that the only lawful constitutional authority for police is LOCAL. The federal government has no direct authority over the People other than to draft them in times of war for defense of the whole country. <<< And Captain, I this issue I must concur... Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science. _____________________________________ Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner. Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide. Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
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