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Keeper of Light
 User ID: 1137934  United States06/29/2011 12:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Keeper of Lightof course man, how about this, all you dumb fucks out there who are sheltering your sweet little child from all the evil in the world, and all the private schooling because you want your child to be elite and never have to go to school with a poor kid, all the while pumping half of them full of ADD drugs and shit, guess what? your children's future is fucked because they don't know shit, they experience nothing our parents did. KIDS ARE BECOMING WEAK AND POWERLESS because parents are too busy trying to censor everything they see, so they get a fucked up fake view of the world. WTF are you smoking, dude? What, you're going to rape and strangle your kids so that they "grow up tough" or some shit? Kids are exposed through simply LIVING to far more sex and violence from BIRTH than I was even 20 years ago as a young adult. The average exposure of kids to violence is far greater now than it used to be. NEVER did we have school shootings, NEVER did we have kids killing their parents. When someone was raped it was a HUGE deal because it just didn't happen. Theft? No. We ran around outside all the time and we didn't lock our doors because THERE WASN'T A REASON TO. Kids weren't getting abducted constantly and nobody worried so long as the kids were home at night. You're full of utter and complete shit. KIDS were not exposed to that kind of crap, and the world was a better place. Now you can't live life without your kids being exposed to it from fucking birth, no matter what you do. You have it all backwards. Our parents and our generation were stronger because life was simpler and there was far less stress. Kids weren't stressed and parents didn't have to worry all the time about their kids--only about bills and wars and generalized things. You're living in a fucking la-la land if you think that exposing children to violence is some magic panacea to make them stronger. In point of fact, the opposite is generally the case. Children who had comfortable and positive upbringings tended to be quite a bit stronger--because they had a firm foundation for life. They felt secure and had faith in their parents' ability to protect them. Unlike children who now have to face the possibility of being shot at school while mom and dad are nowhere around. Poor kids? WTF does that have to do with anything? Unless you're trying to claim that only poor kids can be thugs, in which case, you classist fuck, go suck your own shit.  you are a fucking moron to dig as deep as you did. i didn't say any of that shit. yea poor kids, we live in a country where believe it or not, many upscale folks would never let their kids go to school alongside middle class (poor) students, fuck i'm in texas that shit is on every corner. so fuck you man, and it wasn't simple for our grandparents you moron, simpler "compared" to our generations, but every generation has had plenty to worry about. what fucking planet do you live on asswipe? you should probably never read a book either because you read so far between the lines that you would never get the real message. Sandi is right. There is more involved than the issue of "violent videos". It's the message in the bottle. It's the marketing of violence for violence sake, its the mixing of violence and sex. It's the commercials that glorify the product,,, aimed at kids. This is just a tiny tip of the iceberg. There is so much more involved, and you expanded on quite a few themes yourself -- all wrong or misguided. If it was up to me I would ban ALL marketing directed at kids, and burn violent videos along with the retailers that peddle them. Is that "liberal" enough for ya? I'm not liberal but you ARE an asshole for making that statement. I don't support this system bc it's corrupt. yes in an ideal world we wouldn't market to anyone, everyone could acquire anything they needed and there would be no crime. but we live on Earth. also, is burning the retailer an act of violence? ruh roh.... |
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| Keeper of Light
User ID: 1137934 United States06/29/2011 12:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The rating system should be enforced. Best Buy's registers are programed to check ID, but it ultimately falls on the cashier to hand it over or not. Quoting: thatguyoverthereThere are hefty fines for selling M rated games to underage consumers. Personally, I don't think violent games should be played by young people, however it comes down to why people play video games. Most people don't play videogames to do the same mundane thing they can go outside and actually do. So to a young person, the appeal to drive a car, or fly an airplane, or explore another planet, or gun down a pedestrian is defiantly large. why? Because you can't normally do any of these things. And it's fun. They do I know for sure the last 6 I have bought I was asked for my ID and Im 26 years old If this is the case then why did the Supreme Court rule on it? Does this mean that retailers dont have to rate them anymore because it infringes on toddlers freedom of speech, or choice or whatever the fuck they said? If I was a retailer I would interpret it as such... retailers don't rate the games so you need to step out of this conversation bc you already are showing you have no understanding of what the court even ruled on. it's called the ESRB genius |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1447094 Mexico06/29/2011 12:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Sandi_TWTF are you smoking, dude? What, you're going to rape and strangle your kids so that they "grow up tough" or some shit? Kids are exposed through simply LIVING to far more sex and violence from BIRTH than I was even 20 years ago as a young adult. The average exposure of kids to violence is far greater now than it used to be. NEVER did we have school shootings, NEVER did we have kids killing their parents. When someone was raped it was a HUGE deal because it just didn't happen. Theft? No. We ran around outside all the time and we didn't lock our doors because THERE WASN'T A REASON TO. Kids weren't getting abducted constantly and nobody worried so long as the kids were home at night. You're full of utter and complete shit. KIDS were not exposed to that kind of crap, and the world was a better place. Now you can't live life without your kids being exposed to it from fucking birth, no matter what you do. You have it all backwards. Our parents and our generation were stronger because life was simpler and there was far less stress. Kids weren't stressed and parents didn't have to worry all the time about their kids--only about bills and wars and generalized things. You're living in a fucking la-la land if you think that exposing children to violence is some magic panacea to make them stronger. In point of fact, the opposite is generally the case. Children who had comfortable and positive upbringings tended to be quite a bit stronger--because they had a firm foundation for life. They felt secure and had faith in their parents' ability to protect them. Unlike children who now have to face the possibility of being shot at school while mom and dad are nowhere around. Poor kids? WTF does that have to do with anything? Unless you're trying to claim that only poor kids can be thugs, in which case, you classist fuck, go suck your own shit. you are a fucking moron to dig as deep as you did. i didn't say any of that shit. yea poor kids, we live in a country where believe it or not, many upscale folks would never let their kids go to school alongside middle class (poor) students, fuck i'm in texas that shit is on every corner. so fuck you man, and it wasn't simple for our grandparents you moron, simpler "compared" to our generations, but every generation has had plenty to worry about. what fucking planet do you live on asswipe? you should probably never read a book either because you read so far between the lines that you would never get the real message. Sandi is right. There is more involved than the issue of "violent videos". It's the message in the bottle. It's the marketing of violence for violence sake, its the mixing of violence and sex. It's the commercials that glorify the product,,, aimed at kids. This is just a tiny tip of the iceberg. There is so much more involved, and you expanded on quite a few themes yourself -- all wrong or misguided. If it was up to me I would ban ALL marketing directed at kids, and burn violent videos along with the retailers that peddle them. Is that "liberal" enough for ya? I'm not liberal but you ARE an asshole for making that statement. I don't support this system bc it's corrupt. yes in an ideal world we wouldn't market to anyone, everyone could acquire anything they needed and there would be no crime. but we live on Earth. also, is burning the retailer an act of violence? ruh roh.... Oh, so violence is bad, is it? Since when? A parents perogative to protect their kids is pretty primitive, animalistic and, yes, violent if need be... |
| patdeez84
User ID: 825769  Puerto Rico06/29/2011 12:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Keeper of Lightyou are a fucking moron to dig as deep as you did. i didn't say any of that shit. yea poor kids, we live in a country where believe it or not, many upscale folks would never let their kids go to school alongside middle class (poor) students, fuck i'm in texas that shit is on every corner. so fuck you man, and it wasn't simple for our grandparents you moron, simpler "compared" to our generations, but every generation has had plenty to worry about. what fucking planet do you live on asswipe? you should probably never read a book either because you read so far between the lines that you would never get the real message. Sandi is right. There is more involved than the issue of "violent videos". It's the message in the bottle. It's the marketing of violence for violence sake, its the mixing of violence and sex. It's the commercials that glorify the product,,, aimed at kids. This is just a tiny tip of the iceberg. There is so much more involved, and you expanded on quite a few themes yourself -- all wrong or misguided. If it was up to me I would ban ALL marketing directed at kids, and burn violent videos along with the retailers that peddle them. Is that "liberal" enough for ya? I'm not liberal but you ARE an asshole for making that statement. I don't support this system bc it's corrupt. yes in an ideal world we wouldn't market to anyone, everyone could acquire anything they needed and there would be no crime. but we live on Earth. also, is burning the retailer an act of violence? ruh roh.... Oh, so violence is bad, is it? Since when? A parents perogative to protect their kids is pretty primitive, animalistic and, yes, violent if need be... If you want to stop your kid from playing them don't let them. If they go behind your back and get the game some how take away the freaking console. :sigjosh: :ronswansontax: “We have allowed our nation to be over taxed and over regulated and overrun by bureaucrats, the founders would be ashamed of us for what we're putting up with.” Ron Paul . “My idea of a perfect government is one guy who sits in a small room at a desk, and the only thing he’s allowed to decide is who to nuke. The man is chosen based on some kind of IQ test, and maybe also a physical tournament, like a decathlon. And women are brought to him, maybe ... when he desires them.” Ron Swanson |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1447094 Mexico06/29/2011 12:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The rating system should be enforced. Best Buy's registers are programed to check ID, but it ultimately falls on the cashier to hand it over or not. Quoting: thatguyoverthereThere are hefty fines for selling M rated games to underage consumers. Personally, I don't think violent games should be played by young people, however it comes down to why people play video games. Most people don't play videogames to do the same mundane thing they can go outside and actually do. So to a young person, the appeal to drive a car, or fly an airplane, or explore another planet, or gun down a pedestrian is defiantly large. why? Because you can't normally do any of these things. And it's fun. They do I know for sure the last 6 I have bought I was asked for my ID and Im 26 years old If this is the case then why did the Supreme Court rule on it? Does this mean that retailers dont have to rate them anymore because it infringes on toddlers freedom of speech, or choice or whatever the fuck they said? If I was a retailer I would interpret it as such... retailers don't rate the games so you need to step out of this conversation bc you already are showing you have no understanding of what the court even ruled on. it's called the ESRB genius That's not what I am asking, genius. I dont care who rates them "so that parents can make an informed choice". I'm talking about manufacturer's and retailer's liability for selling/renting a violent product to minors. Obviously as a parent I need control over what my kid can get his/her hands on, either directly or indirectly. |
| Keeper of Light
User ID: 1137934 United States06/29/2011 12:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Keeper of Lightyou are a fucking moron to dig as deep as you did. i didn't say any of that shit. yea poor kids, we live in a country where believe it or not, many upscale folks would never let their kids go to school alongside middle class (poor) students, fuck i'm in texas that shit is on every corner. so fuck you man, and it wasn't simple for our grandparents you moron, simpler "compared" to our generations, but every generation has had plenty to worry about. what fucking planet do you live on asswipe? you should probably never read a book either because you read so far between the lines that you would never get the real message. Sandi is right. There is more involved than the issue of "violent videos". It's the message in the bottle. It's the marketing of violence for violence sake, its the mixing of violence and sex. It's the commercials that glorify the product,,, aimed at kids. This is just a tiny tip of the iceberg. There is so much more involved, and you expanded on quite a few themes yourself -- all wrong or misguided. If it was up to me I would ban ALL marketing directed at kids, and burn violent videos along with the retailers that peddle them. Is that "liberal" enough for ya? I'm not liberal but you ARE an asshole for making that statement. I don't support this system bc it's corrupt. yes in an ideal world we wouldn't market to anyone, everyone could acquire anything they needed and there would be no crime. but we live on Earth. also, is burning the retailer an act of violence? ruh roh.... Oh, so violence is bad, is it? Since when? A parents perogative to protect their kids is pretty primitive, animalistic and, yes, violent if need be... didn't i already tell you you're an idiot? you are not making any sense at all. i'm done with this thread bc it's occupied by the stone builders Joe Rogan told us about. dumb people out fucked the smart people on this thread. later dude, i'll see you when the shit hits the fan, i'm going to Guatemala to join my Mayan ancestors. anyway, i don't hate you but there's no use in continuing this conversation, it's too polarized. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1447094 Mexico06/29/2011 12:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1447094Sandi is right. There is more involved than the issue of "violent videos". It's the message in the bottle. It's the marketing of violence for violence sake, its the mixing of violence and sex. It's the commercials that glorify the product,,, aimed at kids. This is just a tiny tip of the iceberg. There is so much more involved, and you expanded on quite a few themes yourself -- all wrong or misguided. If it was up to me I would ban ALL marketing directed at kids, and burn violent videos along with the retailers that peddle them. Is that "liberal" enough for ya? I'm not liberal but you ARE an asshole for making that statement. I don't support this system bc it's corrupt. yes in an ideal world we wouldn't market to anyone, everyone could acquire anything they needed and there would be no crime. but we live on Earth. also, is burning the retailer an act of violence? ruh roh.... Oh, so violence is bad, is it? Since when? A parents perogative to protect their kids is pretty primitive, animalistic and, yes, violent if need be... If you want to stop your kid from playing them don't let them. If they go behind your back and get the game some how take away the freaking console. Jeez, I never thought of that. But naw!, I'd rather make doubly sure he/she cant get it from some retailer -- I have recourse to sue the fuckers if I find out. Otherwise,,, I may not have any recourse except my torch in the night... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1447094 Mexico06/29/2011 12:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1447094Sandi is right. There is more involved than the issue of "violent videos". It's the message in the bottle. It's the marketing of violence for violence sake, its the mixing of violence and sex. It's the commercials that glorify the product,,, aimed at kids. This is just a tiny tip of the iceberg. There is so much more involved, and you expanded on quite a few themes yourself -- all wrong or misguided. If it was up to me I would ban ALL marketing directed at kids, and burn violent videos along with the retailers that peddle them. Is that "liberal" enough for ya? I'm not liberal but you ARE an asshole for making that statement. I don't support this system bc it's corrupt. yes in an ideal world we wouldn't market to anyone, everyone could acquire anything they needed and there would be no crime. but we live on Earth. also, is burning the retailer an act of violence? ruh roh.... Oh, so violence is bad, is it? Since when? A parents perogative to protect their kids is pretty primitive, animalistic and, yes, violent if need be... didn't i already tell you you're an idiot? you are not making any sense at all. i'm done with this thread bc it's occupied by the stone builders Joe Rogan told us about. dumb people out fucked the smart people on this thread. later dude, i'll see you when the shit hits the fan, i'm going to Guatemala to join my Mayan ancestors. anyway, i don't hate you but there's no use in continuing this conversation, it's too polarized. Cool,,, come on down... but... In a 7-2 decision the U.S. Supreme Court has declared a California law banning the sale of violent video games to children to be an unconstitutional restriction of freedom of speech. The California law banned the sale of video games that included "killing, maiming, dismembering, or sexually assaulting an image of a human being" to persons under 18 years-of-age. Where am I not getting it? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1447094 Mexico06/29/2011 12:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "...it abridges the First Amendment rights of young people whose parents (and aunts and uncles) think violent video games are a harmless pastime." I really dont see how striking down a California law that "bans the sale of violent videos to minors" is infringing on parents 1st amendment rights. Sure it infringes on kid's rights. So the fuck what? It doesnt say parents cant buy them for their kids. So am I stupid? Doesnt it mean retailers can now sell violent videos to minors, and dispense with any State's restrictions whatsoever? It sure seems that way to me... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1447016 United States06/29/2011 12:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Too late to stop now there are millions of violent games out already. Quoting: ONE WITH THE SUN 1231376Everyone is insane. Dont even try taking my violent games I'll chop ya.  lol true even games rated E are violent...its the parent dicision..ivve been playing mature games since i first got my nintendo 64, there is nothing wrong with the game, it is the people, everything violent i do in a game i cannot bring myself to do it in real life....if anything they help release your anger without doing it physically to another person |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1447016 United States06/29/2011 01:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "In a 7-2 decision the U.S. Supreme Court has declared a California law banning the sale of violent video games to children to be an unconstitutional restriction of freedom of speech." Quoting: GingyJuly 27 2011 Its not the governments job to tell your kids what to watch or what games he can play, its yours. This is whats wrong with this country, no one wants to take responsibility for there own actions. There is no need to ban violent games or movies just don't let your kids play them no reason to ruin it for everyone. I'm sorry, but if I want to make these things available to my child, I can get them for her myself. Should they be selling children smokes and alcohol and prostitutes, too? I mean, freedom of speech and all, right? No parent can be with their children 24 hours per day. There should be no real need to worry that they'll run to the corner store and purchase smokes, a quick fuck, and a violent video game while they're "out for a walk". Sure they can get them now, but right now you have recourse against anyone who sells them those things. And well we should. The rating should be enforced. I agree that I should be the one to decide if my child gets those things. NOT THE LOCAL STORE. Where do you draw the line at what should be openly available to KIDS? Shouldn't my 4 year old be able to buy some booze and drink it all? How about some smokes, why shouldn't she be able to buy those? Okay, sure, I'm always with her. So let's say a 15 year old. Why shouldn't alcohol be readily available to 15 year olds so they can get trashed whenever they want to, and anyone who wants to buy for them can do so and get them as drunk as possible? Yeah. PARENTS should be the ones to decide these things.. NOT the store. The store should say, "No" just like they should with alcohol and tobacco and numerous other things that are detrimental to kids. If mom and dad want little Johnny to play "kill the president and rape his wife" video game, THEY can buy it for him. They can't go buy them have you tried to buy a mature rated game every retail store I have been to checks your ID to make sure your 18. acually mature game are 17+ you have the right to buy a matrue game at the age of 17, E-everyone, E-10-10 and older, T- 14+, mature 17+, A-18+ |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1203417 United States06/29/2011 01:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the 'teen mobs' think differently,real life violence is much better. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 733974try watching an episode of leave it 2 beaver what happrened 2 those days They never existed except in fantasy world. |
| Sirius2045
User ID: 1447380 United States06/29/2011 01:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow, what I said started a nice debate. I was reading through all of the replies to it and it still seems that what I said initially is the case about violent video games. People were the blame, not the video games themselves. Sandi, I did want to ask a question though since you are obviously older than I am and remember much more about how life used to be before the internet and I was caught right at the beginning of it so I didn't really know much before. I do agree with you that children are exposed to much more violence than they were 20 years ago. That is true, but children also have the "potential" to expose themselves to or be exposed to much more than just violence. That's where the parents come in. I apologize in advance if I'm incorrect here, but I understand that it must be difficult for people who weren't born right in the center of the computer age to get a good grasp on the extremely fast pace in which things are advancing now compared to even 20 years ago. The internet in it's current form is an absolute goldmine of information. Schools are finally starting to utilize this more commonly, but most teachers I know who use computers and the internet about 85% of the time have to at one point get their students or call a tech to come fix it. So the flow of good information for lack of a better word isn't as strong as it can be because of the majority of the teacher's inability to keep up with the pace of the up and coming generation. There are exceptions of course, but that's all they are is exceptions and not the majority. Now I wouldn't think of telling you how to raise you kids or anything like that, but I do want you to know the incredible amount of potential the internet has, and if used wisely can lead to an incredibly big leap in people's learning capacity. Everything is speeding up and it's only going to get faster. Just try to enjoy the ride and do the best you can. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1447094 Mexico06/29/2011 01:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the 'teen mobs' think differently,real life violence is much better. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 733974try watching an episode of leave it 2 beaver what happrened 2 those days They never existed except in fantasy world. Imagine that! A fantasy world. Jeez, a fantasy world is a kid's paradise... |
| Burt Gummer
User ID: 1447251 United States06/29/2011 01:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Violent Video Games for kids are Ok according to.....the US Supreme Court Quoting: Gingy[link to usgovinfo.about.com] That is NOT what the SUPREME COURT said.  LIAR LIAR LIAR! Sad. Here's a clue as to what it REALLY was about......   FOR TRUE REALITY. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1447094 Mexico06/29/2011 01:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "...it abridges the First Amendment rights of young people whose parents (and aunts and uncles) think violent video games are a harmless pastime." USSC strikes down a California law that "bans the sale of violent videos to minors" means retailers can sell violent videos to minors. Yippee! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1447583 United States06/29/2011 02:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm 24 years old and played many violent video games growing up since the age of six. I played them all; Doom, Duke Nukem, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat, etc. I even took it one step further and indulged in "evil" music performed by bands such as Marylin Manson, KMFDM and Rammstein. Never in my life have I killed anyone, let alone been involved in so much as a fist fight. I am smart enough to know the difference between right and wrong. As others have already stated in the thread, it is up to the parent to decide what is and isn't appropriate for their children. If the child acquires a video game the parent doesn't approve of, they should do their job as a parent and discipline their child. If your child doesn't know that violence, generally speaking, is wrong, then you have failed as a parent. If you can't handle living in a free society, consider the possibility of relocating to China. |
