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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1475451 United States 07/20/2011 06:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I live in Colorado, North of N.M and Los Alamos in the Del Norte area. Beautiful place, far away from the trappings and hell of the big cities. Well I hike alot with my two dogs in the hills, along rivers to fish and sometimes deep into the mountains. One thing I have noticed is the amount of dead birds, not just any dead birds but pigeons, small song birds, doves, one of my dogs even located a dead turkey. None of these birds had any signs of predation other than ants in massive swarms. No other signs of dead animals or birds. Plenty of deer, bear, coyotes, mountain lions, elk and moose. Predatory birds and crows are still plentiful. Very strange. Another thing, the dead fish along the banks. Mostly brook trout, haven't seen any other and their are over 30 different varieties here including pike. Could it be poison or could the smaller birds be more susceptible? Only a matter of time before it works its way up the ecosystem whatever the hell it is. Radiation? |
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(OP) User ID: 1388392 United States 07/20/2011 07:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I live in Colorado, North of N.M and Los Alamos in the Del Norte area. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1475451Beautiful place, far away from the trappings and hell of the big cities. Well I hike alot with my two dogs in the hills, along rivers to fish and sometimes deep into the mountains. One thing I have noticed is the amount of dead birds, not just any dead birds but pigeons, small song birds, doves, one of my dogs even located a dead turkey. None of these birds had any signs of predation other than ants in massive swarms. No other signs of dead animals or birds. Plenty of deer, bear, coyotes, mountain lions, elk and moose. Predatory birds and crows are still plentiful. Very strange. Another thing, the dead fish along the banks. Mostly brook trout, haven't seen any other and their are over 30 different varieties here including pike. Could it be poison or could the smaller birds be more susceptible? Only a matter of time before it works its way up the ecosystem whatever the hell it is. Radiation? I think it's safe to assume that it is radiation considering the huge amount of radioactive material dumped in and around Los Alamos and thats not even taking into account whether or not Area G burned.. judging by the Satellite images above it looks like smoke started drifting over where you are by the second day of the fire (the 28th) |
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(OP) User ID: 1388392 United States 07/20/2011 10:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the map on the wall appears to have a larger burned area then the MODIS image from the 15th..especially to the SW of Los Alamos but it matches earlier maps of the fire.. on the earlier maps that area in red I circled would be Los Alamos.. It's getting sort of confusing at this point that the maps aren't (completely) lining up with the Satellite images..but seem to match earlier maps.. I'm beginning to think that the only way to get to the bottom of this is to see definitive first hand reports/video from the area showing that it's still intact Last Edited by RTS on 07/21/2011 12:48 AM |
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(OP) User ID: 1388392 United States 07/21/2011 02:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's getting sort of confusing at this point that the maps aren't (completely) lining up with the Satellite images..but seem to match earlier maps.. Quoting: RTSthe only thing I can think of is that they are manipulating either the maps or the images or maybe both.. to equal out the total acreage that has burned.. for example..airbrush out the acreage burnt to the SW of Los Alamos on the MODIS images to compensate for acreage burnt in Los Alamos and to the west of there almost to White Rock sort of confusing I know but what else would you expect if they are attempting to cover up something of this magnitude? Maybe the actual total acreage burned is important for some reason.. why they would have to account for something like that I don't have a clue |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 455519 United States 07/21/2011 10:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Morning Uh-huh, awesome work, RTS! Superb find with the Infrared Satellite imaging for those dates correlating with that guy's reading in MN!! Can't even imagine the time you've spent on all this, but TY... Though the pieces are sparse, what you're finding certainly lends more questions than answers which naturally is followed by Again, TY! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 455519 United States 07/21/2011 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's getting sort of confusing at this point that the maps aren't (completely) lining up with the Satellite images..but seem to match earlier maps.. Quoting: RTSthe only thing I can think of is that they are manipulating either the maps or the images or maybe both.. to equal out the total acreage that has burned.. for example..airbrush out the acreage burnt to the SW of Los Alamos on the MODIS images to compensate for acreage burnt in Los Alamos and to the west of there almost to White Rock sort of confusing I know but what else would you expect if they are attempting to cover up something of this magnitude? Maybe the actual total acreage burned is important for some reason.. why they would have to account for something like that I don't have a clue Yeah, those were similar thoughts to what I was having... good points. I heartily agree, why would they have to account to something like that?????? Very confusing and yes, only adding fuel to the fire, so to speak. :) |
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(OP) User ID: 1388392 United States 07/21/2011 06:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Morning Uh-huh, awesome work, RTS! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 455519Superb find with the Infrared Satellite imaging for those dates correlating with that guy's reading in MN!! Can't even imagine the time you've spent on all this, but TY... Though the pieces are sparse, what you're finding certainly lends more questions than answers which naturally is followed by Again, TY! YW! btw..here's the link for the archived images.. [link to www.ngdc.noaa.gov] it only goes back three weeks (I think) so if you'd like to save some of the images for your own research now is probably the time to get started.. I haven't spent a whole lot of time at that site due to being busy with other things but as far as I know there is a limit to how far you can go back |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 455519 United States 07/21/2011 08:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Morning Uh-huh, awesome work, RTS! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 455519Superb find with the Infrared Satellite imaging for those dates correlating with that guy's reading in MN!! Can't even imagine the time you've spent on all this, but TY... Though the pieces are sparse, what you're finding certainly lends more questions than answers which naturally is followed by Again, TY! YW! btw..here's the link for the archived images.. [link to www.ngdc.noaa.gov] it only goes back three weeks (I think) so if you'd like to save some of the images for your own research now is probably the time to get started.. I haven't spent a whole lot of time at that site due to being busy with other things but as far as I know there is a limit to how far you can go back TY I appreciate the link for the archived images... I should* have figured that out I've spent the last couple of weeks trying* to catchup to myself... sheesh! :) Thx again 'n take care ~ |
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User ID: 1410244 United States 07/21/2011 09:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Couldn't reply from the house RTS, but I really think you are onto something huge. If I remember correctly, I said something about them bringing in a "special team" a day before people there started reporting a metalic smell in the air and yellow ash/powder falling down on everything. I would not put it past these people to do everything in their power to cover up what is going on. If people were to really look at all the evidence, they would finally realize this was done intentionally and meant to kill as many as possible. Of course though, we continue to have nothing but a huge media black out concerning this event, just as many other things going on around the world. Keep up the good work and stay on their ass's. God Speed "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy"- James Madison "Joining the military does not mean that you will be defending the country. The purpose of the U.S. military should be to defend the United States. Period. Yet, one of the greatest myths ever invented is that the current U.S. military somehow defends our freedoms. First of all, our freedoms are not in danger of being taken away by foreign countries; if they are taken away it will be by our own government. It is not a country making war on us that we need to fear, it is our government making war on the Bill of Rights. And second, how is stationing troops in 150 different regions of the world on hundreds of U.S. military bases defending our freedoms? It is not the purpose of the U.S. military to change regimes, secure the borders of other countries, or spread democracy at gunpoint. The Department of Defense should first and foremost be the Department of Homeland Security."--Laurence Vance-- |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 455519 United States 07/21/2011 11:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Couldn't reply from the house RTS, but I really think you are onto something huge. If I remember correctly, I said something about them bringing in a "special team" a day before people there started reporting a metalic smell in the air and yellow ash/powder falling down on everything. Quoting: TolsI would not put it past these people to do everything in their power to cover up what is going on. If people were to really look at all the evidence, they would finally realize this was done intentionally and meant to kill as many as possible. Of course though, we continue to have nothing but a huge media black out concerning this event, just as many other things going on around the world. Keep up the good work and stay on their ass's. God Speed I couldn't agree more... and I, too, remember something about people reporting a metalic smell etc... TY, Tols! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1477596 Canada 07/22/2011 02:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I do think a lot more burned than they're copping to, but more may be outed if diligent people like RTS keep uncovering their lies. What I am hesitant to believe is that they are doing it on purpose. I believe incompetence and hubris are enough to cause Armageddon when dealing with nuke stuff, we don't need malevolent intent. But if there is, it doesn't seem like the entire US federal government could possibly be in on it. Might it be divided into warring factions? Well, I'm sure it is divided into warring factions, but might a powerful one seriously desire depopulation by kill method? It's so crazy, I really find it hard to believe. But I know that people really do get very crazy drunk on power, and can do things the rest of us cannot even comprehend. Greed is quite a monster. Still, say it ain't so. I'd rather die due to involuntary manslaughter through ignorance than by murder driven by extreme greed. Oh and I may be in Canada, but we are not exempt up here. Radiation knows no borders, nor the global elite. |
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(OP) User ID: 1388392 United States 07/22/2011 04:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Couldn't reply from the house RTS, but I really think you are onto something huge. If I remember correctly, I said something about them bringing in a "special team" a day before people there started reporting a metalic smell in the air and yellow ash/powder falling down on everything. Quoting: TolsI would not put it past these people to do everything in their power to cover up what is going on. If people were to really look at all the evidence, they would finally realize this was done intentionally and meant to kill as many as possible. Of course though, we continue to have nothing but a huge media black out concerning this event, just as many other things going on around the world. Keep up the good work and stay on their ass's. God Speed As far as the 'Special Team' goes..I had to re-read the thread to learn exactly what you meant..to be honest I think that was to be expected and not really suspicious at all considering the huge amounts of radioactive materials dumped in and around Los Alamos..what IS suspicious imo is their 'official' findings and the fact that the Military was kept out of the loop and also that the person in charge of Area G has resigned.. As far as everything else you have said on this thread.. I couldn't agree more.. Last Edited by RTS on 07/22/2011 06:44 PM |
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(OP) User ID: 1388392 United States 07/22/2011 04:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I do think a lot more burned than they're copping to, but more may be outed if diligent people like RTS keep uncovering their lies. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1477596What I am hesitant to believe is that they are doing it on purpose. I believe incompetence and hubris are enough to cause Armageddon when dealing with nuke stuff, we don't need malevolent intent. But if there is, it doesn't seem like the entire US federal government could possibly be in on it. Might it be divided into warring factions? Well, I'm sure it is divided into warring factions, but might a powerful one seriously desire depopulation by kill method? It's so crazy, I really find it hard to believe. But I know that people really do get very crazy drunk on power, and can do things the rest of us cannot even comprehend. Greed is quite a monster. Still, say it ain't so. I'd rather die due to involuntary manslaughter through ignorance than by murder driven by extreme greed. Oh and I may be in Canada, but we are not exempt up here. Radiation knows no borders, nor the global elite. I think the majority of the military is probably being kept out of the loop with the exception of some satanically approved 'elite' members.. Last Edited by RTS on 07/22/2011 03:06 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 455519 United States 07/22/2011 11:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Couldn't reply from the house RTS, but I really think you are onto something huge. If I remember correctly, I said something about them bringing in a "special team" a day before people there started reporting a metalic smell in the air and yellow ash/powder falling down on everything. Quoting: TolsI would not put it past these people to do everything in their power to cover up what is going on. If people were to really look at all the evidence, they would finally realize this was done intentionally and meant to kill as many as possible. Of course though, we continue to have nothing but a huge media black out concerning this event, just as many other things going on around the world. Keep up the good work and stay on their ass's. God Speed As far as the 'Special Team' goes..I had to re-read the thread to learn exactly what you meant..to be honest I think that was to be expected and not really suspicious at all considering the huge amounts of radioactive materials dumped in and around Los Alamos..what IS suspicious imo is their 'official' findings and the fact that the Military was kept out of the loop and also that the person in charge of Area G has resigned.. As far as everything else you have said on this thread.. I couldn't agree more..especially if my theory is correct Smoking gun imo! |
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(OP) User ID: 1388392 United States 07/22/2011 05:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Couldn't reply from the house RTS, but I really think you are onto something huge. If I remember correctly, I said something about them bringing in a "special team" a day before people there started reporting a metalic smell in the air and yellow ash/powder falling down on everything. Quoting: TolsI would not put it past these people to do everything in their power to cover up what is going on. If people were to really look at all the evidence, they would finally realize this was done intentionally and meant to kill as many as possible. Of course though, we continue to have nothing but a huge media black out concerning this event, just as many other things going on around the world. Keep up the good work and stay on their ass's. God Speed As far as the 'Special Team' goes..I had to re-read the thread to learn exactly what you meant..to be honest I think that was to be expected and not really suspicious at all considering the huge amounts of radioactive materials dumped in and around Los Alamos..what IS suspicious imo is their 'official' findings and the fact that the Military was kept out of the loop and also that the person in charge of Area G has resigned.. As far as everything else you have said on this thread.. I couldn't agree more..especially if my theory is correct Smoking gun imo! the 'private contractors' remind me of a Blackwater type operation Last Edited by RTS on 07/22/2011 06:43 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 455519 United States 07/22/2011 10:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Couldn't reply from the house RTS, but I really think you are onto something huge. If I remember correctly, I said something about them bringing in a "special team" a day before people there started reporting a metalic smell in the air and yellow ash/powder falling down on everything. Quoting: TolsI would not put it past these people to do everything in their power to cover up what is going on. If people were to really look at all the evidence, they would finally realize this was done intentionally and meant to kill as many as possible. Of course though, we continue to have nothing but a huge media black out concerning this event, just as many other things going on around the world. Keep up the good work and stay on their ass's. God Speed As far as the 'Special Team' goes..I had to re-read the thread to learn exactly what you meant..to be honest I think that was to be expected and not really suspicious at all considering the huge amounts of radioactive materials dumped in and around Los Alamos..what IS suspicious imo is their 'official' findings and the fact that the Military was kept out of the loop and also that the person in charge of Area G has resigned.. As far as everything else you have said on this thread.. I couldn't agree more..especially if my theory is correct Smoking gun imo! the 'private contractors' remind me of a Blackwater type operation Isn't that the truth?!?!? Very much so!!!! It's so plainly in our face... The proverial they are getting so blatantly out there they don't give a sheet who sees it... course that's been happening for quite some time, but never more so than here lately... they're continuing to count-on/assume us peon-sheep are just that |
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(OP) User ID: 1388392 United States 07/23/2011 02:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: RTSAs far as the 'Special Team' goes..I had to re-read the thread to learn exactly what you meant..to be honest I think that was to be expected and not really suspicious at all considering the huge amounts of radioactive materials dumped in and around Los Alamos..what IS suspicious imo is their 'official' findings and the fact that the Military was kept out of the loop and also that the person in charge of Area G has resigned.. As far as everything else you have said on this thread.. I couldn't agree more..especially if my theory is correct Smoking gun imo! the 'private contractors' remind me of a Blackwater type operation Isn't that the truth?!?!? Very much so!!!! It's so plainly in our face... The proverial they are getting so blatantly out there they don't give a sheet who sees it... course that's been happening for quite some time, but never more so than here lately... they're continuing to count-on/assume us peon-sheep are just that plain as day as far as I'm concerned..the difficult thing may be to get GLPers actually interested.. since you and I are basically the only 2 or 3 people actually following this thread..no wonder they wouldn't be worried..Just another way to FUCK us and hardly anyone cares? go figure |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 455519 United States 07/23/2011 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 455519Smoking gun imo! the 'private contractors' remind me of a Blackwater type operation Isn't that the truth?!?!? Very much so!!!! It's so plainly in our face... The proverial they are getting so blatantly out there they don't give a sheet who sees it... course that's been happening for quite some time, but never more so than here lately... they're continuing to count-on/assume us peon-sheep are just that plain as day as far as I'm concerned..the difficult thing may be to get GLPers actually interested.. since you and I are basically the only 2 or 3 people actually following this thread..no wonder they wouldn't be worried..Just another way to FUCK us and hardly anyone cares? go figure You said it!!! Most are focusing on what the other hand is doing like good little sheep... even here, where one would think the IQ was slightly above average, a humongous picture is forming with so few seeming to care ~ I may not be the brightest bulb on the string, but been around long enough to know we're getting FUCKED royally like never before... most are so involved in their microscopic worlds they're oblivious to the big picture, or in perfect denial... same outcome either way I suppose. Many dots with far too few connecting them... still fewer willing to pay attention to those that are ~ |
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(OP) User ID: 1388392 United States 07/24/2011 02:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so the drums are are 49 -- not G? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1447901The Los Alamos website claims that Tech area 49 is located at Area G [link to www.lanl.gov] [link to www.lasg.org] [link to maps.google.com] LOS ALAMOS, N.M., June 4, 1997 — Workers at Los Alamos National Laboratory's Environmental Management Solid Waste Operations Facility -- Area G -- have recovered in near-perfect condition more than 1,500 drums that had been covered by plywood, tarps and soil for nearly 18 years. The drum-recovery work is part of the Transuranic Waste Inspection and Storage Project, or TWISP -- a project in which three soil-covered, asphalt pads containing drums or boxes of transuranic waste materials are being excavated to allow the drums to be inspected, characterized and certified for planned shipment to the Waste Isolation Pilot Plant in Carlsbad, N.M. Workers at Area G are excavating the first pad, which contains 4,816 drums and 88 boxes that typically measure four-by-four-by-eight feet. Because the 55-gallon drums and fiberglass-sealed boxes on all three pads were covered and weren't available for inspection, the New Mexico Environment Department required Area G operators to excavate the drums and boxes and place them in a configuration that would allow people to inspect them regularly. Laboratory officials say 16,641 drums and 187 boxes in all reside on the three pads and will be excavated during TWISP. Workers have excavated nearly 30 percent of the first pad at Area G, located on Mesita Del Buey, a finger-like mesa between Pajarito Canyon and Canada Del Buey. The pad is situated beneath a large, white dome structure erected for the drum-recovery effort. I've discovered that Mesita Del Buey is actually located at TA 46 as shown below.. here is the Acme topo map of Mesita Del Buey found on the lanl wiki page.. (snip) Quoting: RTSThe spot fire scorched a section known as Tech Area 49, which was used in the early 1960s for a series of underground tests with high explosives and radioactive materials. Lab spokesman Kevin Roark said environmental specialists were monitoring air quality, but the main concern was smoke. The anti-nuclear watchdog group Concerned Citizens for Nuclear Safety said the fire appeared to be about 3.5 miles (6 kilometers) from a dumpsite where as many as 30,000 55-gallon (208-liter) drums of plutonium-contaminated waste were stored in fabric tents above ground. The group said the drums were awaiting transport to a dump site in southern New Mexico. Lab officials at first declined to confirm that such drums were on the property, but in a statement early Tuesday, lab spokeswoman Lisa Rosendorf said such drums are stored in a section of the complex known as Area G. She said the drums contain cleanup from Cold War-era waste that the lab sends away in weekly shipments to the Waste Isolation Pilot Plant. [link to news.yahoo.com] the Concerned Citizens for Nuclear Safety claimed that Area G is located at TA 54 shown below (which contradicts the 1997 press release) the topo map shows TA 54 is located at Canada Del Buey Workers have excavated nearly 30 percent of the first pad at Area G, located on Mesita Del Buey, a finger-like mesa between Pajarito Canyon and Canada Del Buey. The pad is situated beneath a large, white dome structure erected for the drum-recovery effort. Last Edited by RTS on 07/24/2011 02:17 AM |
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(OP) User ID: 1388392 United States 07/24/2011 02:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so the drums are are 49 -- not G? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1447901The Los Alamos website claims that Tech area 49 is located at Area G [link to www.lanl.gov] ^^^^missing^^^^ Workers have excavated nearly 30 percent of the first pad at Area G, located on Mesita Del Buey, a finger-like mesa between Pajarito Canyon and Canada Del Buey. The pad is situated beneath a large, white dome structure erected for the drum-recovery effort. If you click the link above it reads 'missing' here's the cached article [link to webcache.googleusercontent.com] btw..while it appears I was wrong about Area G being located at TA 49.. ..the location of Area G and if it burned is still very much in question imo Last Edited by RTS on 07/24/2011 02:49 AM |