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| Adam User ID: 1324434  United States07/14/2011 10:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. Through the years of mis-translations of the original Greek texts, people have taken those translations and run with them. They've started seminary schools, pastors have been taught and pastors have then taught, concepts not found in the Bible. Quoting: King JamesUnfortunately, as with all things in life there are groups of people that look to control the thoughts of others. Sadly, it doesn't stop at the church doors. Deceit is wherever people are gathered. It's just human nature. To top that off, people have much more of a desire in general to be a part of the community. If information jeopardizes their acceptance to the community, most of the time, the information is not shared. Now let me get to the point and let me prove to you that our modern biblical translations are far from accurate. EVERY TIME A GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION IS MENTIONED IN THE GREEK IT IS TRANSLATED INTO ITS ENGLISH COUNTERPART. EVERY SINGLE TIME, EXCEPT FOR ONE. And that is the place of Geenna. For Hierousalem we have Jerusalem. For Kapharnaoum we have Capernaum. For Nazaret we have Nazareth. For Bethania we have Bethany. For Ephesion we have Ephesus. For Bethleem we have Bethlehem. For Gomorra we have Gomorrah. For Galilaia we have Galilee. For Damaskos we have Damascus. But for Geenna we have hell. The truth is, Geenna in the Greek is not Hell, it's the name of a physical location where the Israelites dumped their garbage and offered sacrifices to foreign gods. Jesus did say Geenna and speak of Geenna in the book of Matthew 5:29-30 and in Mark 9:43-48. Remember, this is a physical geographical location that existed at the time. Look it up in any Dictionary... Although it may be spelled Gehenna. I'd be glad to continue on with what all this means and the other mistranslations of the original Greek that deal with "eternal torment." But I will tell you, "hell" or the concept of "hell" never left the lips of our Saviour, Jesus Christ. It's simply not there. And this is one of the biggest conspiracies of all time. One hole in your thesis..hell is a place made for satan..The messiah was not talking about some backyard garbage incinerator dumping ground Matthew 25:41 says that Hell , the "everlasting fire" was "prepared for the devil and his angels." Hell was not made for man Hell was made for Satan,for Satan and for those angels who would reject God and choose to follow Satan If the rebellious continue to be rebellious that is the final destination just as satan in revelation it also said satan will be bound for 1000 years and released again. Then he will go try to fight the saints with his gentiles rebels but will be defeated. REV 20 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever Notice above "where the beast and the false prophet are". This is in reference to chp 19 and this is a thousand years after the anti christ and the beast were sent to hell right after the tribulation as shown her below. WHAT EVIDENCE!...So we are seeing that these two have been in "torment lake of fire" for 1000 years already and after satan is realeased after his 1000 yr bondage he will be joining them both in torment rev chp 19 Imeediately after the tribulaion the beast and the false prophet cast into "the lake of fire" 20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone -0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0 back to chp 20 rev chp 20 14 And death and hell were cast into "the lake of fire". This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the "lake of fire". I rest my case You don't rest your case because you don't know whose names are in the book. Would you be happy if ALL were justifiably and righteously saved including all humans, Satan and the demons? Do you believe God is in control or reacting to circumstances that have gone beyond His control? Neim, you have a small, imperfect and weak God if you think He loses anything that has been created. I know however that you will see the truth as will everyone one day and be joyful! |
| Daniel's Seventieth Seven User ID: 1071051 United States07/14/2011 10:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. universalsalvation.org Quoting: Adam 1324434What's wrong with just sticking with the Bible? Nothing is wrong with reading just the bible. Do you get all of your theology from the bible...? Actually- It comes from the Holy Spirit... The Bible is an extra freebie. :) |
| Adam User ID: 1324434 United States07/14/2011 10:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. God will save ALL in the end by bringing all unto willful repentance because of His unfailing love, not by fear. Read 1 Corinthians 13. If the Father wills that all be saved then who will stop Him? If Jesus fails to reconcile the whole world to God the Father then He failed in His mission. Both of these statements are impossible to the believer if you would think about it instead of resting on your doctrines. Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ (not Calvinism or Arminianism)is the true gospel. Amen! Quoting: Adam 13244342Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. Adam, I have to admit, these verses have captured me as well......when it says ALL will be reconciled, I have to believe that in one fashion or another ALL WILL be reconciled. God is amazing and pure love and your feelings are correct! Believe it and you will be part of the 1st resurrection! God is love. |
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 User ID: 1460246 United States07/14/2011 10:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. Through the years of mis-translations of the original Greek texts, people have taken those translations and run with them. They've started seminary schools, pastors have been taught and pastors have then taught, concepts not found in the Bible. Quoting: King JamesUnfortunately, as with all things in life there are groups of people that look to control the thoughts of others. Sadly, it doesn't stop at the church doors. Deceit is wherever people are gathered. It's just human nature. To top that off, people have much more of a desire in general to be a part of the community. If information jeopardizes their acceptance to the community, most of the time, the information is not shared. Now let me get to the point and let me prove to you that our modern biblical translations are far from accurate. EVERY TIME A GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION IS MENTIONED IN THE GREEK IT IS TRANSLATED INTO ITS ENGLISH COUNTERPART. EVERY SINGLE TIME, EXCEPT FOR ONE. And that is the place of Geenna. For Hierousalem we have Jerusalem. For Kapharnaoum we have Capernaum. For Nazaret we have Nazareth. For Bethania we have Bethany. For Ephesion we have Ephesus. For Bethleem we have Bethlehem. For Gomorra we have Gomorrah. For Galilaia we have Galilee. For Damaskos we have Damascus. But for Geenna we have hell. The truth is, Geenna in the Greek is not Hell, it's the name of a physical location where the Israelites dumped their garbage and offered sacrifices to foreign gods. Jesus did say Geenna and speak of Geenna in the book of Matthew 5:29-30 and in Mark 9:43-48. Remember, this is a physical geographical location that existed at the time. Look it up in any Dictionary... Although it may be spelled Gehenna. I'd be glad to continue on with what all this means and the other mistranslations of the original Greek that deal with "eternal torment." But I will tell you, "hell" or the concept of "hell" never left the lips of our Saviour, Jesus Christ. It's simply not there. And this is one of the biggest conspiracies of all time. One hole in your thesis..hell is a place made for satan..The messiah was not talking about some backyard garbage incinerator dumping ground Matthew 25:41 says that Hell , the "everlasting fire" was "prepared for the devil and his angels." Hell was not made for man Hell was made for Satan,for Satan and for those angels who would reject God and choose to follow Satan If the rebellious continue to be rebellious that is the final destination just as satan in revelation it also said satan will be bound for 1000 years and released again. Then he will go try to fight the saints with his gentiles rebels but will be defeated. REV 20 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever Notice above "where the beast and the false prophet are". This is in reference to chp 19 and this is a thousand years after the anti christ and the beast were sent to hell right after the tribulation as shown her below. WHAT EVIDENCE!...So we are seeing that these two have been in "torment lake of fire" for 1000 years already and after satan is realeased after his 1000 yr bondage he will be joining them both in torment rev chp 19 Imeediately after the tribulaion the beast and the false prophet cast into "the lake of fire" 20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone -0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0 back to chp 20 rev chp 20 14 And death and hell were cast into "the lake of fire". This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the "lake of fire". I rest my case You don't rest your case because you don't know whose names are in the book. Would you be happy if ALL were justifiably and righteously saved including all humans, Satan and the demons? Do you believe God is in control or reacting to circumstances that have gone beyond His control? Neim, you have a small, imperfect and weak God if you think He loses anything that has been created. I know however that you will see the truth as will everyone one day and be joyful! I am not debating with you ADAM. I showed what the book explained and any body who reads the word will know it from the bible..Again not my word or my opinion.You want call on God he said it. Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 07/14/2011 10:29 PM 1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
| Adam User ID: 1324434 United States07/14/2011 10:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. universalsalvation.org Quoting: Adam 1324434What's wrong with just sticking with the Bible? Nothing is wrong with reading just the bible. Do you get all of your theology from the bible...? Actually- It comes from the Holy Spirit... The Bible is an extra freebie. :) So the Holy Spirit is telling you that eternal torment or annihilationism is real? Where do you get this specific view? |
| Adam User ID: 1324434 United States07/14/2011 10:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. Through the years of mis-translations of the original Greek texts, people have taken those translations and run with them. They've started seminary schools, pastors have been taught and pastors have then taught, concepts not found in the Bible. Quoting: King JamesUnfortunately, as with all things in life there are groups of people that look to control the thoughts of others. Sadly, it doesn't stop at the church doors. Deceit is wherever people are gathered. It's just human nature. To top that off, people have much more of a desire in general to be a part of the community. If information jeopardizes their acceptance to the community, most of the time, the information is not shared. Now let me get to the point and let me prove to you that our modern biblical translations are far from accurate. EVERY TIME A GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION IS MENTIONED IN THE GREEK IT IS TRANSLATED INTO ITS ENGLISH COUNTERPART. EVERY SINGLE TIME, EXCEPT FOR ONE. And that is the place of Geenna. For Hierousalem we have Jerusalem. For Kapharnaoum we have Capernaum. For Nazaret we have Nazareth. For Bethania we have Bethany. For Ephesion we have Ephesus. For Bethleem we have Bethlehem. For Gomorra we have Gomorrah. For Galilaia we have Galilee. For Damaskos we have Damascus. But for Geenna we have hell. The truth is, Geenna in the Greek is not Hell, it's the name of a physical location where the Israelites dumped their garbage and offered sacrifices to foreign gods. Jesus did say Geenna and speak of Geenna in the book of Matthew 5:29-30 and in Mark 9:43-48. Remember, this is a physical geographical location that existed at the time. Look it up in any Dictionary... Although it may be spelled Gehenna. I'd be glad to continue on with what all this means and the other mistranslations of the original Greek that deal with "eternal torment." But I will tell you, "hell" or the concept of "hell" never left the lips of our Saviour, Jesus Christ. It's simply not there. And this is one of the biggest conspiracies of all time. One hole in your thesis..hell is a place made for satan..The messiah was not talking about some backyard garbage incinerator dumping ground Matthew 25:41 says that Hell , the "everlasting fire" was "prepared for the devil and his angels." Hell was not made for man Hell was made for Satan,for Satan and for those angels who would reject God and choose to follow Satan If the rebellious continue to be rebellious that is the final destination just as satan in revelation it also said satan will be bound for 1000 years and released again. Then he will go try to fight the saints with his gentiles rebels but will be defeated. REV 20 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever Notice above "where the beast and the false prophet are". This is in reference to chp 19 and this is a thousand years after the anti christ and the beast were sent to hell right after the tribulation as shown her below. WHAT EVIDENCE!...So we are seeing that these two have been in "torment lake of fire" for 1000 years already and after satan is realeased after his 1000 yr bondage he will be joining them both in torment rev chp 19 Imeediately after the tribulaion the beast and the false prophet cast into "the lake of fire" 20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone -0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0 back to chp 20 rev chp 20 14 And death and hell were cast into "the lake of fire". This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the "lake of fire". I rest my case You don't rest your case because you don't know whose names are in the book. Would you be happy if ALL were justifiably and righteously saved including all humans, Satan and the demons? Do you believe God is in control or reacting to circumstances that have gone beyond His control? Neim, you have a small, imperfect and weak God if you think He loses anything that has been created. I know however that you will see the truth as will everyone one day and be joyful! I am not debating with you ADAM. I showed what the book explained and any body who reads the word will know it from the bible..Again not my word or my opinion.You want call on God he said it. Too bad you can't ban me from this thread like you have on your other right? Ha ha. Is God love Neim? it is fun to debate with you because you hate to answer questions. I asked you for 20+ pages on your megathread a question that you refused to answer. Why? Seek the truth Neim it is there and it is far more glorious than you have made it out to be. I will see you in the kingdom one day and I look forward to it brother! I am serious, not being sarcastic. |
| Daniel's Seventieth Seven User ID: 1071051 United States07/14/2011 10:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. ... Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051What's wrong with just sticking with the Bible? Nothing is wrong with reading just the bible. Do you get all of your theology from the bible...? Actually- It comes from the Holy Spirit... The Bible is an extra freebie. So the Holy Spirit is telling you that eternal torment or annihilationism is real? "He" doesn't usually use such big words, but 'He" said to to look here: Matthew 25:41 (Jesus speaking to people at final judgment), ...Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1275414Revelation 14:11, And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night... Revelation 20:12, 15, And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life...And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Matthew 10:28, And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Luke 12:5, But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which AFTER he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him. Matthew 18:8, 9 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or feet to be cast into everlasting fire. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. Matthew 25:46, And these shall go away into EVERLASTING punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. II Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with EVERLASTING destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power. Isaiah 66:24, And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be abhorring unto all flesh. Mark 9:44 (speaking of hell), Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Jude 7, Sodom and Gomorrha...are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Matthew 22:13, ...Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 13:41-42, The Son of man (Jesus) shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Revelation 21:8, But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Psalm 9:17, The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. Isaiah 14:99-11, 15 (referring to Lucifer), Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee...all they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee...thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Daniel 12:2, And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and EVERLASTING contempt. :) |
| Adam User ID: 1324434 United States07/14/2011 10:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. ... Quoting: Adam 1324434Nothing is wrong with reading just the bible. Do you get all of your theology from the bible...? Actually- It comes from the Holy Spirit... The Bible is an extra freebie. So the Holy Spirit is telling you that eternal torment or annihilationism is real? "He" doesn't usually use such big words, but 'He" said to to look here: Matthew 25:41 (Jesus speaking to people at final judgment), ...Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1275414Revelation 14:11, And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night... Revelation 20:12, 15, And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life...And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Matthew 10:28, And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Luke 12:5, But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which AFTER he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him. Matthew 18:8, 9 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or feet to be cast into everlasting fire. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. Matthew 25:46, And these shall go away into EVERLASTING punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. II Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with EVERLASTING destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power. Isaiah 66:24, And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be abhorring unto all flesh. Mark 9:44 (speaking of hell), Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Jude 7, Sodom and Gomorrha...are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Matthew 22:13, ...Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 13:41-42, The Son of man (Jesus) shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Revelation 21:8, But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Psalm 9:17, The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. Isaiah 14:99-11, 15 (referring to Lucifer), Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee...all they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee...thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Daniel 12:2, And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and EVERLASTING contempt. :) Sorry for the big word. SO you got that from the bible right? Because you were debating my point earlier. |
| Daniel's Seventieth Seven User ID: 1071051 United States07/14/2011 10:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. ... Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051Actually- It comes from the Holy Spirit... The Bible is an extra freebie. So the Holy Spirit is telling you that eternal torment or annihilationism is real? "He" doesn't usually use such big words, but 'He" said to to look here: Matthew 25:41 (Jesus speaking to people at final judgment), ...Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1275414Revelation 14:11, And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night... Revelation 20:12, 15, And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life...And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Matthew 10:28, And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Luke 12:5, But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which AFTER he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him. Matthew 18:8, 9 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or feet to be cast into everlasting fire. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. Matthew 25:46, And these shall go away into EVERLASTING punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. II Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with EVERLASTING destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power. Isaiah 66:24, And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be abhorring unto all flesh. Mark 9:44 (speaking of hell), Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Jude 7, Sodom and Gomorrha...are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Matthew 22:13, ...Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 13:41-42, The Son of man (Jesus) shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Revelation 21:8, But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Psalm 9:17, The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. Isaiah 14:99-11, 15 (referring to Lucifer), Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee...all they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee...thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Daniel 12:2, And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and EVERLASTING contempt. Sorry for the big word. SO you got that from the bible right? Because you were debating my point earlier. No- It came from the Holy Spirit- the Bible just confirms it. Wasn't your point earlier about some "universal.com"? Maybe the Holy Spirit sent you there. Judge for yourself. >) :) |
| Adam User ID: 1324434 United States07/14/2011 10:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. ... Quoting: Adam 1324434So the Holy Spirit is telling you that eternal torment or annihilationism is real? "He" doesn't usually use such big words, but 'He" said to to look here: Matthew 25:41 (Jesus speaking to people at final judgment), ...Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1275414Revelation 14:11, And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night... Revelation 20:12, 15, And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life...And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Matthew 10:28, And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Luke 12:5, But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which AFTER he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him. Matthew 18:8, 9 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or feet to be cast into everlasting fire. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. Matthew 25:46, And these shall go away into EVERLASTING punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. II Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with EVERLASTING destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power. Isaiah 66:24, And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be abhorring unto all flesh. Mark 9:44 (speaking of hell), Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Jude 7, Sodom and Gomorrha...are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Matthew 22:13, ...Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 13:41-42, The Son of man (Jesus) shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Revelation 21:8, But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Psalm 9:17, The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. Isaiah 14:99-11, 15 (referring to Lucifer), Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee...all they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee...thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Daniel 12:2, And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and EVERLASTING contempt. Sorry for the big word. SO you got that from the bible right? Because you were debating my point earlier. No- It came from the Holy Spirit- the Bible just confirms it. Wasn't your point earlier about some "universal.com"? Maybe the Holy Spirit sent you there. Judge for yourself. >) :) That is just a resource and its universalsalvation.org. Check it out. So what has the holy spirit told you about eternal torment or eternal death (small word) that leads you to believe a all-loving, all-powerful God who is in total control would do that? That can't be justified by any means? It is unjust. |
| King James
(OP) User ID: 1081356 United States07/14/2011 11:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. God will save ALL in the end by bringing all unto willful repentance because of His unfailing love, not by fear. Read 1 Corinthians 13. If the Father wills that all be saved then who will stop Him? If Jesus fails to reconcile the whole world to God the Father then He failed in His mission. Both of these statements are impossible to the believer if you would think about it instead of resting on your doctrines. Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ (not Calvinism or Arminianism)is the true gospel. Amen! Quoting: Adam 1324434Interesting Theology and the first time I've ever seen anyone else other than me mention-it or bring it up Because there is/are a wide range of verses which support it too Actually, I mentioned it and those verses already in this thread. :-) It very well sums up my belief as well. |
| Adam User ID: 1324434 United States07/14/2011 11:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. God will save ALL in the end by bringing all unto willful repentance because of His unfailing love, not by fear. Read 1 Corinthians 13. If the Father wills that all be saved then who will stop Him? If Jesus fails to reconcile the whole world to God the Father then He failed in His mission. Both of these statements are impossible to the believer if you would think about it instead of resting on your doctrines. Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ (not Calvinism or Arminianism)is the true gospel. Amen! Quoting: Adam 1324434Interesting Theology and the first time I've ever seen anyone else other than me mention-it or bring it up Because there is/are a wide range of verses which support it too Actually, I mentioned it and those verses already in this thread. :-) It very well sums up my belief as well. You absolutely have my friend and I thank you for spreading the true gospel of Jesus Christ! You right on the mark |
| Daniel's Seventieth Seven User ID: 1071051 United States07/14/2011 11:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. ... Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051"He" doesn't usually use such big words, but 'He" said to to look here: ... Sorry for the big word. SO you got that from the bible right? Because you were debating my point earlier. No- It came from the Holy Spirit- the Bible just confirms it. Wasn't your point earlier about some "universal.com"? Maybe the Holy Spirit sent you there. Judge for yourself. So what has the holy spirit told you about eternal torment or eternal death ... That He's going to throw the Tares in the fire and fix everything. Permanently. "For ever and ever." Do you look at it like He is thowing His children in the fire? On the contrary, He is just pulling out the weeds. There is really good reason why you shouldn't judge anyone. . |
| Adam User ID: 1324434 United States07/14/2011 11:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. ... Quoting: Adam 1324434Sorry for the big word. SO you got that from the bible right? Because you were debating my point earlier. No- It came from the Holy Spirit- the Bible just confirms it. Wasn't your point earlier about some "universal.com"? Maybe the Holy Spirit sent you there. Judge for yourself. So what has the holy spirit told you about eternal torment or eternal death ... That He's going to throw the Tares in the fire and fix everything. Permanently. "For ever and ever." Do you look at it like He is thowing His children in the fire? On the contrary, He is just pulling out the weeds. There is really good reason why you shouldn't judge anyone. . Develop your thought. I'm not following you so far? |
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(OP) User ID: 1081356 United States07/14/2011 11:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. While some call it annihilationism, simply stated, "Conditional Immortality" is the biblical belief that the "immortality" of the soul is not inherent (Greek philosophers thinking) but conditional (Biblical thinking) upon receiving the gift of everlasting life through faith in Yeshua . It is part and parcel of the Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1370012gospel. God alone has immortality -- anyone else becomes immortal only as a result of God's gracious gift (1 Timothy 6:16, Romans 2:7) * (He/ YESHUA, has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel. (2 Timothy 1:9b-10) [link to www.jewishnotgreek.com] Matthew 7: 13-14 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. So, what you're saying is that God, who loves us more than we love our own children gives us a rope we call "free-will" knowing that the majority of creation will not use it correctly. Or simply doesn't know how to use it correctly. So He gives us this rope called "free-will" knowing the vast majority are going to hang themselves with it. FOR ALL OF ETERNITY. On top of that, you believe He loves us more than we love our own children, yet I haven't found a single parent that could possibly send any of their children to hell or the lake of fire forever and ever because of something they have done or would ever do. No parent I know has said they could do this. The ideas and beliefs of eternal torment and the fact that you believe God gave us something such as free-will knowing most of us couldn't handle it is absolutely not a character trait I'd call "compassionate" or "loving." It's like handing a knife to a young child to wield as they please. Fundie Christian's and their ideas (not found in the Bible - except for their crazy translations, I might add) are completely outlandish and not without their problems. And if they can't even admit to these fundamental problems they're in complete and utter denial. Last Edited by King James on 07/14/2011 11:23 PM |
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| Daniel's Seventieth Seven User ID: 1071051 United States07/14/2011 11:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. And to add to that... I have had parents say they'd rather go than send their children there. Quoting: King James29And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. (Matt 19) . |
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(OP) User ID: 1081356 United States07/14/2011 11:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. And it seems many of your are missing the most significant thing I've stated... Matthew 15:24 New Living Translation (©2007) Then Jesus said to the woman, "I was sent only to help God's lost sheep--the people of Israel." English Standard Version (©2001) He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” New American Standard Bible (©1995) But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." What the fundies don't get is that every single red-letter threat is regarding old covenant Israelites, period! That is it. This is another reason why it's completely irrational to translate "Geenna" to anything more than the physical and geographical place near Jerusalem. It is not some mythical "hell." |
| Adam User ID: 1324434 United States07/14/2011 11:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. Develop your thought. I'm not following you so far? Quoting: Adam 1324434It seems you will need to develop your own. . I mean could you more thoroughly explain what you meant by your post? Because it doesn't prove anything on it's own. What are are you trying to say? Just say it. |
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(OP) User ID: 1081356 United States07/14/2011 11:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. Do you all know that God sends deception? Do you believe truth is just sitting there in the massive organized Church? It is not. Proverbs 25:2 New International Version (©1984) It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings. New Living Translation (©2007) It is God's privilege to conceal things and the king's privilege to discover them. English Standard Version (©2001) It is the glory of God to conceal things, but the glory of kings is to search things out. |
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| Daniel's Seventieth seven User ID: 1071051 United States07/14/2011 11:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. Develop your thought. I'm not following you so far? Quoting: Adam 1324434It seems you will need to develop your own. . I mean could you more thoroughly explain what you meant by your post? Because it doesn't prove anything on it's own. . Oh, you want proof! Can't help you. You are going to need to ask Jonah about that one. .) |
| Adam User ID: 1324434 United States07/14/2011 11:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. Develop your thought. I'm not following you so far? Quoting: Adam 1324434It seems you will need to develop your own. . I mean could you more thoroughly explain what you meant by your post? Because it doesn't prove anything on it's own. What are are you trying to say? Just say it. |
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| Daniel's Seventieth Seven User ID: 1071051 United States07/14/2011 11:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. Develop your thought. I'm not following you so far? Quoting: Adam 1324434It seems you will need to develop your own. I mean could you more thoroughly explain what you meant by your post? Because it doesn't prove anything on it's own. Wow- deja vu... Oh, you want proof! Can't help you. You are going to need to ask Jonah about that one. .) |
| Adam User ID: 1324434 United States07/14/2011 11:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. Develop your thought. I'm not following you so far? Quoting: Adam 1324434It seems you will need to develop your own. I mean could you more thoroughly explain what you meant by your post? Because it doesn't prove anything on it's own. Wow- deja vu... Oh, you want proof! Can't help you. You are going to need to ask Jonah about that one. .) I went down to the moorings of the mountains; The earth with its bars closed behind me forever; Yet You have brought up my life from the pit, O Lord, my God. (Jonah 2:6 NKJV) God does save all! Thanks! |
| Daniel's Seventieth Seven User ID: 1071051 United States07/15/2011 12:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. ... Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051It seems you will need to develop your own. I mean could you more thoroughly explain what you meant by your post? Because it doesn't prove anything on it's own. Wow- deja vu... Oh, you want proof! Can't help you. You are going to need to ask Jonah about that one. .) I went down to the moorings of the mountains; The earth with its bars closed behind me forever; Yet You have brought up my life from the pit, O Lord, my God. (Jonah 2:6 NKJV) ... Thanks! 6I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God. (KJV) You are welcome! :) |
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User ID: 1292228  New Zealand07/15/2011 12:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. GOD DOES NOT SAVE ALL Revelation 21 7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Hell and the concept of Hell are clearly in the Bible !!!! Last Edited by highwic on 07/15/2011 12:57 AM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1323138 United States07/15/2011 01:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible. Perhaps people need to hear about "hell" from people who have actually been there. There is a movie 'To Hell and Back' hosted by Dr. Rawlings, a cardiologist. These are stories that he heard from patients of his that had near death experiences. [link to video.google.com] He also has a book out by that name. [link to www.amazon.com] You may want to see if your local library has a copy that you could check out. Then there's the move 'The Lazarus Phenomenon' [link to video.google.com] This movie also has stories from people who have had near death experiences. One of the people who tells his story in this video also told his story on television on a religious program that I watched. I found it interesting how he said that he didn't even believe in "hell," but that didn't matter. When he died he ended up there regardless. I know the movies that I linked to aren't exactly the best quality, but they are still watchable. |
