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HIPPIES AND PREPPERS UNITE!--PERMACULTURE THREAD!

 
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Please post permaculture related goodness here!

Tip: Sunflowers chelate hot particles from the soil. They sponge them up.

Plant them, harves the whole plant, bag it, send it to the landfill(for posterity?)

I don't have a better idea what to do with them. Anybody?
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein, Time Enough for Love
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Yay!

hf

If we reflect upon the philosophical concept of "the idea of the good" I think we can all agree that lush, diverse, thriving habitats in our surroundings is a basic "idea of good."

This is a foundation upon which we can build.
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If you want to implement permaculture, your first tool will be a hammock.

Use this tool to observe relationships and plant communities on your specific landbase and implement accordingly.
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"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein, Time Enough for Love
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QUOTE

Scott London: A reviewer once described your teachings as "seditious."

Bill Mollison: Yes, it was very perceptive. I teach self-reliance, the world's most subversive practice. I teach people how to grow their own food, which is shockingly subversive. So, yes, it’s seditious. But it’s peaceful sedition.

CLOSE QUOTE

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If you want to implement permaculture, your first tool will be a hammock.

Use this tool to observe relationships and plant communities on your specific landbase and implement accordingly.
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I'm ready to start!


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What is Aquaponics?

Aquaponics is an integrated aquaculture (growing fish) and hydroponic (growing soilless plants) system that mutually benefits both environments. Aquaponics uses no chemicals, requires one tenth or 10% ofuaculturthe water needed for field plant production and only a fraction of the water that is used for fish culture (Aqe).

The waste from fish tanks is treated with natural bacteria that converts the waste, largely ammonia, first to nitrite and then to nitrate. The fish waste absorbed by plants is pumped to a bio-filter system as a nutrient solution for the growing plants (Grow Bed). The only external input to the system is food for the fish. Both systems complement each other as a single unit, not as separate units.

Once the system is initialized the water stays Ph balanced and remains crystal clear. The water is recycled with a small amount of water added weekly to compensate for what is lost by evaporation and transpiration by the vegetables. Aquaponics is the future of home gardening and commercial fresh food production.

Greenhouse growers and farmers are taking note of Aquaponics for several reasons:

* Hydroponic growers view fish-manured irrigation water as a source of organic fertilizer that enables plants to grow well.

* Fish farmers view hydroponics as a bio-filtration method to facilitate intensive re-circulating aquaculture.

* Greenhouse growers view Aquaponics as a way to introduce organic hydroponic produce into the marketplace, since the only fertility input is fish feed and all of the nutrients pass through a biological process.

* Food-producing greenhouses – yielding two products from one production unit – are naturally appealing for niche marketing and green labeling.

[link to www.socalfishfarm.com]

Here is a pdf on how to build your own aquaponics

[link to www.aces.edu]
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If you are new to permaculture and the whole gardening scene, I recommend:

Gaia's Garden 2nd Edition


I tried the Designer's Manual and it was too much for an introduction.
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Nice thread OP

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edit: This is NOT permaculture, but it can be incorporated into a permaculture design(for starts as one example), also I don't want to leave out people with little space, and we also have a "hot particle" situation to contend with. (Solutions regarding radiation free watering systems needed. Please share ideas.)



Last Edited by Luvapottamus on 07/17/2011 02:30 PM
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein, Time Enough for Love
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"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein, Time Enough for Love
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edit: This is NOT permaculture, but it can be incorporated into a permaculture design(for starts as one example), also I don't want to leave out people with little space, and we also have a "hot particle" situation to contend with. (Solutions regarding radiation free watering systems needed. Please share ideas.)


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I so need to make something like this.
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"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein, Time Enough for Love
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"Mandala Bed" in the foreground, food forest in the background.

[link to www.youtube.com]
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein, Time Enough for Love
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A good list...

[link to www.permaculturecairns.com]
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wow dude like far out man, thats cool.
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hf
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I don't mind preppies but fucking hippies just need to die...and burn in hell!
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I don't mind preppies but fucking hippies just need to die...and burn in hell!
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Yeah, I'm not sure why OP lumped them together?
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I don't mind preppies but fucking hippies just need to die...and burn in hell!
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Yeah, I'm not sure why OP lumped them together?
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scratching

Um, because hippies garden and stuff.

pick

If you want to learn permaculture, you're not going to be able to avoid tree-hugging dope-smoking liberals.

I used to be one, and I like them, myself, but my world view, and historical knowledge has changed a bit over the years.

I still like 60's music, and I wouldn't mind a little herb from time to time, but I can't afford to do that because I'm looking for a job, and since everybody capitulated the 4th and 5th ammendment, it might be hard to get one without capitulating myself.

Bunker-right wingers are welcome here too, just was advising you: make peace with the hippies. Learn from them.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein, Time Enough for Love
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I'm a twice certified Permaculture Designer.
I am not a hippy and I often tell people to go take a design course near them, with a caveat.

"you will here all sorts of nonsense about AGW, Peak Oil, UN inspired (vide: not bottom up) 'sustainability. Please ignore all of that and focus instead on the very heady desing concepts you can put to use".

Now I just need land (go silver go!)...my old farm fell to pieces because of hippies and lazy assed WWOOFERs....I couldn't deal with it, got a divorce and sold my shares.

My certificates are from a local teacher (20+ years of practicing, who bought my shares in my old farm), and Permaculture Visions out of Australia. When I taught (for awhile) we had several successful students who are slowly carrying on. Once the rich who flocked here realize they've been had...they will no doubt want to replace useless shrubberies with perennial food stuffs!

I suggest anyone with an unused space on the property start a small scale nursery.

[link to www.permacultureportal.com]

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I'm a twice certified Permaculture Designer.
I am not a hippy and I often tell people to go take a design course near them, with a caveat.

"you will here all sorts of nonsense about AGW, Peak Oil, UN inspired (vide: not bottom up) 'sustainability. Please ignore all of that and focus instead on the very heady desing concepts you can put to use".

Now I just need land (go silver go!)...my old farm fell to pieces because of hippies and lazy assed WWOOFERs....I couldn't deal with it, got a divorce and sold my shares.

My certificates are from a local teacher (20+ years of practicing, who bought my shares in my old farm), and Permaculture Visions out of Australia. When I taught (for awhile) we had several successful students who are slowly carrying on. Once the rich who flocked here realize they've been had...they will no doubt want to replace useless shrubberies with perennial food stuffs!

I suggest anyone with an unused space on the property start a small scale nursery.

[link to www.permacultureportal.com]
 Quoting: lancifer93


Okay, I understand now. I know a lot of lazy hippies too, and a lot of the pioneers of this technology aren't really hippies. But I also know a lot of hard working hippies.

Main reason I posted the title that way is my introduction to it was from the Seth Lundgren video(I probably got that wrong-will edit if way far off the mark)edit: WAAY off Sepp Holzer). When I looked for more, it was mostly hippie dippy stuff, and I knew if I opened this thread, we'd have a lot of that.

That said, I bet a lot of the "not-hippie" permaculture pioneers use cannabis.

Last Edited by Luvapottamus on 07/19/2011 11:11 PM
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein, Time Enough for Love
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Because it isn't bleak, or filled with doom. An actual tool box to change YOUR world for the better...
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Because it isn't bleak, or filled with doom. An actual tool box to change YOUR world for the better...
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Wow I forgot about this thread, thanks lancifer. I'll bookmark for study.
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Because it isn't bleak, or filled with doom. An actual tool box to change YOUR world for the better...
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Wow I forgot about this thread, thanks lancifer. I'll bookmark for study.
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Perfect, I'll keep bumping it now and then!
Check the search engine for other posts along the same lines.
There are some damn fine thinkers/designers on this forum.
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Found this thread by googling "permaculture and preppers", 2nd result. A long time back I helped build a few cob houses, hoping to find an inexpensive way to build my own home. I learned a bit about permaculture during that time and did a lot of reading on the subject. The whole spirity, hippy dippy attitude of the permaculture culture was a huge turn off. I learned a lot but didn't end up connecting with others in a lasting or constructive way.

Lately I've been fascinated by the preppers. A real mixed bunch of people, but all talking about "the end of the world as we know it" TEOTWAWKI, "rule without law" rwol, or "s#!t hits the fan" shtf. Asteroids falling, solar flares, emp's, global financial collapse, war, and pretty much every flavor of bad you can imagine. Same thing as with the permies, so many of the preppers will tell you, "this is what WILL happen, and this is how people WILL respond, so if you want any kind of future this is what you MUST do."

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." --BR
But maybe more importantly, people tend to gain a vicarious confidence from the fanatics and take action, rather than listen and consider the ideas of the wise. Who knows how it will happen, but the world will change, as it always does, and I rather suspect that the great grand child of a prepper might read a permaculture book and end up the founder of the next great civilization.

So bring this thread back to life, because I think its a lively subject. I see plenty of permaculture videos and input, but not much from the preppers.

I'm sure it's an inflammatory question, but its one that nags at me: If I did cultivate land into a productive food forest with a wonderful earthship or cob house for me to live in, how would the prepper community suggest that I keep it?
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For what it's worth: I just wanted to contribute a marvelous resource for preppers and anyone who cares about living in tune with the planet.

[link to www.motherearthnews.com]

With lots of newsfeeds for those who want to be serious about it.
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