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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1452793 United States 07/17/2011 09:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know, only on GLP can the devils advocate idea be the crazy one. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1157608Could it be an attempt to strengthen the grid against solar flares? Like having multiple breakers in your panel and not just one? Did you read the whole article.No one has heard of the company that is in charge of this idea.My husband works for one of the power companys and what this guy is saying makes total sense.You can't fix something that's not broken this way. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1418767 United States 07/17/2011 09:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | okay, i'm sure i'll be hearing about this, but i watched this last week and thought it might be of interest. Quoting: tinygreenacever wonder if michio is a disinfo agent? how come he is the only physicist in the entire country that goes on tv to talk about doom gloom and alien life. |
Phennommennonn
Forum Administrator User ID: 1438313 United States 07/17/2011 10:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The conspiratard part of me is talking to the scientific part of me saying that this is preparation for having the technical capacity to isolate some parts of the grid in a low or no power state to facilitate the Federal government's ability to response to civil unrest in a place by place basis. Quoting: Least ServantBut I'm sure that's just my inner doomist getting the better of me... or not? i misread ur reply..........i thought u said ' the consTIPATED part of me" political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Least Servant
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1469361 United States 07/17/2011 10:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I posted a reply on a similar thread; I guess I will have to repeat myself. This cannot work because of all the monitoring relays and electronics that are already calibrated to a national standard (and there are millions of these devices). Tampering with grid frequency will cause all these devices to trip out, the grid will go into blackout and you will have a national crisis. The Soviets experimented with this technique in their industrial regions and it resulted in severe electric industrial motor and electronic systems damage that crippled their core production for three years. This is a nitwit idea that is being pushed by uneducated politicians who are owned by companies who do not have our best interests in mind. It is all about control. |
Elenin
User ID: 1468191 United States 07/17/2011 10:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I posted a reply on a similar thread; I guess I will have to repeat myself. This cannot work because of all the monitoring relays and electronics that are already calibrated to a national standard (and there are millions of these devices). Tampering with grid frequency will cause all these devices to trip out, the grid will go into blackout and you will have a national crisis. The Soviets experimented with this technique in their industrial regions and it resulted in severe electric industrial motor and electronic systems damage that crippled their core production for three years. This is a nitwit idea that is being pushed by uneducated politicians who are owned by companies who do not have our best interests in mind. It is all about control. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1469361On a national level it's always about control. Or money. Nice post OP |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1472072 United States 07/17/2011 11:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The conspiratard part of me is talking to the scientific part of me saying that this is preparation for having the technical capacity to isolate some parts of the grid in a low or no power state to facilitate the Federal government's ability to response to civil unrest in a place by place basis. Quoting: Least ServantBut I'm sure that's just my inner doomist getting the better of me... or not? But what right does the federal government have to screw with citizens who are upset with them? |
J.H.F.C. User ID: 1437442 United States 07/17/2011 11:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 5 stars This is what we having waiting for - a sign, they are truly worried about CMEs or Emps, etc... This is what we having waiting for - a sign, they are truly worried about CMEs or Emps, etc... That is ABSOLUTELY right! Professor Michio Kaku has made it VERY clear that 2012 CME will be FAR greater than anything science had imagined. (That's nearly a quote.) There was never grid that was "designed." With the invention of computerized distribution of electricity, a "grid" was hastily hooked up so that wasted electricty could be used where it was needed. Therefore, it had to hook up all kinds of power generation protocols with no time to ensure that a failure in Canada would could the entire Northeast to be without electricity for days (which happened). CME's CAN destroy large portions of electrical power generating systems and appliances (like 25,000 transformers). Professor Kaku has made it clear that it is possible to loose the entire electrical system in the U.S. for weeks or months. What he didn't say was what had been established prior to the year 2000 (Y2K). And that is that the hordes of hungry people who would readily "kill to eat" would kill off the geeky computer people (and in this case the guys who can repair the grid in other ways). Without them, we could lose everything we ever gained in the 20th century. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1469361 United States 07/17/2011 11:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm in the power industry. For the government to control us they would have to control the power companies. IT CAN'T BE DONE! If they try to cripple regions or areas of the country to punish or force citizens to their will they will also cut their own throats. Interdependence is the rule of modern technology. Cut out a facet of that technology and you initiate a domino effect. Backup generators will last only as long as you have access to fuel. Vehicles will run only as long as you have fuel. The majority of gas stations in the US do not have backup power systems. The people have the ability to stop fuel deliveries if the gov't should try. The military is also in the same boat; their stockpiles will only last so long. The US relies on very long lines of supply since we have exported the majority of our manufacturing overseas. Our civilization is actually very fragile, think about it. |
Luvapottamus
(OP) User ID: 1428854 United States 07/17/2011 11:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm grasping at straws trying to find a reasonable explanation for this. All I can think of right now is the following: 1) They are indeed concerned with an EMP/CME/Earth ElectroMagnetic field disaster, and by operating different segments at different frequencies, perhaps it could limit damage, if not by frequency, then by isolation or a combination. Perhaps one frequency or a certain range is more vulnerable or rubust. Seems like a stretch to me, but if it's a specific foreign weapon, maybe it has limitations. So damage control. Seems like a stretch. Not my idea, just my take on it.(Other people have already posted this. 2) They are getting ready or have already sold off the grid, or authority to manage sections of it. This is to split it up in a way it can't be easily recombined. Once divided, they plan on altering it radically like the track width difference between the Old Soviet Union and Germany. Once complete, they can attack a region, say the coal belt, so it's unlivable, everybody moves out, they rush in and buy everything up, or just plant new "stakes." They could rotate the suffering. I don't think anybody brought this one up. Divide and conquor. Zbig likes to do that. Carve Iraq up into Kurdistan, a Shia area, a Sunni area. The brits did that a lot after WWI. 3)Riot control(Least Servant's) idea. Cut off LA, or Detroit if it gets really nasty. But they could do that already, can't they? 4) straight up ruin the whole grid. 5) Part of the Smart-Meter sham. They are installing communications into the power lines so the "soon to be announced" new electrical devices with hidden bugs/cameras/remote controls can operate like your cable box. 6) Electrosmog soft kill/ mind control. I also think this one is unlikely. That's what the cell towers are for. "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." - Robert Heinlein, Time Enough for Love |
Epic Beard Guy
User ID: 1161728 United States 07/17/2011 11:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would like to believe that this is to make it harder to disrupt the grid, but I don't trust TPTB. The "smart grid" was obviously not to secure our power. It made it easier for a terrorist to disrupt power to large sections of the country. This could be to help protect us from the cascading black out if something goes wrong, but it really doesn't sound like the best way to do that. Why fuck with a system that has worked for over a hundred years? Separating the regional systems wouldn't be that hard, so why would they change it in a way that will fuck with all the clocks? Maybe it's to help the economy by making people design and sell new clocks. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1367962 United States 07/18/2011 12:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just finished reading "One Second After". I suggest everyone pick up a copy of this and read up! This book gives an EXCELLENT account of human psychology and how many days, weeks and months it takes for society to fully break down in the event of total power failure. Quoting: ^Watcher^Thanks! I'll check it out!! |
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Buford2
User ID: 1447484 United States 07/18/2011 12:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know, only on GLP can the devils advocate idea be the crazy one. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1157608Could it be an attempt to strengthen the grid against solar flares? Like having multiple breakers in your panel and not just one? This is also a strong possibility. So you get paid overtime on weekends? tax dollars hard at work Would you be more comfortable if I were to tell you that the magnetic pole shift is a probability during our current human lifetimes, and that the government most likely has models that would allow them to predict with reasonable accuracy when this would occur based on pole travel and magnetic field variation, and that on top of this, it's plausible that they have already begun taking reasonable precautions to ensure the survivability of as much of the population as possible? More comfortable with what I am not sure... Yep sounds good. Maybe that is the reason they built the Georgia Guidestones in the early 1980's. They are working on the NWO after Papa Bush announced it on Sept 11, 1990 exactly 11 years before the 911 Ritual his son pulled off. Why do you think Gore was denied the presidency? Baby Bush has a job to do and that was to begin the downslide of our nation and world. The NWO will be brought in to reflect the Georgia Guidestones. The NWO will have free energy, and all the new toys. It will take time but that is what they are planning. That will be the start of a new era and the Elites today will have done their jobs. This is just my feelings. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1472141 United States 07/18/2011 12:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | POWER GRID TAMPERING WILL END AN ERA Quoting: LuvapottamusSee the update, which answers a question about DC connected main lines below this report. The entire premise of my report is based on the fact that you cannot run multiple frequencies simultaneously on the grid without separating it into sections and running them separately. That is what the AP report clearly implies when it says that clocks will run faster and slower in various regions. ____________________________________________________________________________ A recent AP report states that there is a proposal in place to change the frequency various parts of the national electrical grid run at. The frequency differences will be minor, but will force an end to the national grid as we know it. The only way frequencies can be different at all in separate locations around the nation is to not have a grid at all. They are attempting to childishly play this down as something that will mess up clocks. But what it really means is that they are going to dismantle the national power grid entirely. And now I will dissect and shred this article First of all, they are saying that this is going to be a "year long experiment". It won't be. Since dismantling the grid amounts to an act of war, once it is dismantled we will not get it back. This "experiment" is exactly what you would want to do to a nation as a pre-emptive measure before attacking it. When destroying a nation, the basics have to go. You need to destroy the water, electrical, and food supplies to force people to surrender. By running different frequencies in different parts of the grid,the laws of physics clearly dictate that it has to be run in sections, all isolated from each other... [link to www.jimstonefreelance.com] You are correct. It is impossible to run sections of the national grid at different frequencies while keeping each section tied to the grid. You have made a very interesting observation and your theory is plausible. |
Sophy
User ID: 1472165 United States 07/18/2011 12:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Separating the grid into sections sounds like a good idea to me! With all the natural disasters that have been happening and all that are ahead, it makes a lot of sense to NOT "have all your eggs in one basket". Surge protectors between sections. Good thinking for a change. |
General Troll, US Shillitary
User ID: 1307432 United States 07/18/2011 01:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My first PIN! Quoting: LuvapottamusThanks mods! I'd add more, but still searching... congrats VERY interesting "What you have just said, is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point, in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1450292 United States 07/18/2011 01:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I pray critical medical and industrial devices don't blow. Imagine a drug delivery pump using the power line as a timing base and everything starts to run fast, the poor patient may end up overdosing on whatever medication they are on. How about nuclear medicine? X-ray machines using power line as a timing base may fry their patients if the timing is slow. Industrial CNC servo motor controllers may calculate distances and rpms inaccurately if distance or rpms is calculated by how many clock cycles or jiffies [based on power line ] it takes per one tick signal from the servo motor. Power supply regulators on computer motherboards maybe overly stressed and fail regulating power line frequency drifts that exceed standards. There maybe a conspired effort to force people to buy new consumer goods to replace the old or Chinese manufacturers desire to build power systems of one power standard rather than multiples for different nations. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1471526 United States 07/18/2011 01:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | POWER GRID TAMPERING WILL END AN ERA Quoting: LuvapottamusSee the update, which answers a question about DC connected main lines below this report. The entire premise of my report is based on the fact that you cannot run multiple frequencies simultaneously on the grid without separating it into sections and running them separately. That is what the AP report clearly implies when it says that clocks will run faster and slower in various regions. ____________________________________________________________________________ A recent AP report states that there is a proposal in place to change the frequency various parts of the national electrical grid run at. The frequency differences will be minor, but will force an end to the national grid as we know it. The only way frequencies can be different at all in separate locations around the nation is to not have a grid at all. They are attempting to childishly play this down as something that will mess up clocks. But what it really means is that they are going to dismantle the national power grid entirely. And now I will dissect and shred this article First of all, they are saying that this is going to be a "year long experiment". It won't be. Since dismantling the grid amounts to an act of war, once it is dismantled we will not get it back. This "experiment" is exactly what you would want to do to a nation as a pre-emptive measure before attacking it. When destroying a nation, the basics have to go. You need to destroy the water, electrical, and food supplies to force people to surrender. By running different frequencies in different parts of the grid,the laws of physics clearly dictate that it has to be run in sections, all isolated from each other... [link to www.jimstonefreelance.com] Experiment... yeah right that's just the lame cover story which they will follow up with the standard issue: "oops" |
Luvapottamus
(OP) User ID: 1428854 United States 07/18/2011 01:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My first PIN! Quoting: LuvapottamusThanks mods! I'd add more, but still searching... congrats VERY interesting Thanks man, I always enjoy your stuff. Might as well pimp the thread I wanted pinned now: Thread: GLASS-STEAGALL MOBILIZATION It's my spiel on restoring/creating a real economic system. Not perfect, but a step TOWARDS Star Trek.(Without the NWO/globalism meme) Predominantly not my original material either. "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." - Robert Heinlein, Time Enough for Love |
SmartestOne
User ID: 1016633 United States 07/18/2011 01:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep sounds good. Maybe that is the reason they built the Georgia Guidestones in the early 1980's. They are working on the NWO after Papa Bush announced it on Sept 11, 1990 exactly 11 years before the 911 Ritual his son pulled off. Why do you think Gore was denied the presidency? Baby Bush has a job to do and that was to begin the downslide of our nation and world. The NWO will be brought in to reflect the Georgia Guidestones. The NWO will have free energy, and all the new toys. It will take time but that is what they are planning. That will be the start of a new era and the Elites today will have done their jobs. Quoting: Buford2This is just my feelings. Gore knows the score so knew he would "lose" to Bush. The guy who has more British royal blood "wins" the U.S. presidential election. ~The most plagiarized poster on GLP!~ Paultards started the war, but I won it! Ron Paul: Pro Amnesty [link to teapartywest.com] Ron Paul's Golden Globalism [link to killtheempire.blogspot.com] Paul Supports Globalization and One World Currency [link to libertyrevival.wordpress.com] Ron Paul Gives "Horned Hand" Sign [link to troyspace2.wordpress.com] Ron Paul Flashing Satanic Hand Signs [link to ssl.scroogle.org (secure)] Ron Paul Gives Masonic Handshake /Decades in DC = HIGH-DEGREE Freemason [link to freemasonry-watch.blogspot.com] Ron Paul and the Jesuits [link to www.spirituallysmart.com] Devvy Kidd Rips Paul a New One [link to www.newswithviews.com] Paul always talks about LIBERTY, hardly ever FREEDOM. What "LIBERTY" Means to Freemasons [link to www.texemarrs.com] Lewis Lehrman, Paul's coauthor: Yale grad, Woodrow Wilson Fellow at Harvard, Knight of Malta [link to revoltnow.wetpaint.com] Paul's Austrian School of Economics hero, Ludwig Von Mises, participant in Pan European Union movement and sponsored by Rockefeller [link to watch.pair.com] Paul camp hires NEOCON ZIONIST FASCIST "PIMP" LOBBYIST Bruce Fein [link to www.boilingfrogspost.com] Ron Paul Descended from Knights Templar and Nazis [link to imageshack.us] *The USA has NOT BEEN HIJACKED! Learn the TRUTH! 200+ years of LIES AND DECEPTION unmasked! Discount for GLP posters! Contact me for details* Your ignorance does not constitute "craziness" on the part of others. Let's talk Freemasonry! I'm armed with Pike, Mackey, and Hall. |
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Luvapottamus
(OP) User ID: 1428854 United States 07/18/2011 01:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep sounds good. Maybe that is the reason they built the Georgia Guidestones in the early 1980's. They are working on the NWO after Papa Bush announced it on Sept 11, 1990 exactly 11 years before the 911 Ritual his son pulled off. Why do you think Gore was denied the presidency? Baby Bush has a job to do and that was to begin the downslide of our nation and world. The NWO will be brought in to reflect the Georgia Guidestones. The NWO will have free energy, and all the new toys. It will take time but that is what they are planning. That will be the start of a new era and the Elites today will have done their jobs. Quoting: Buford2This is just my feelings. Gore knows the score so knew he would "lose" to Bush. The guy who has more British royal blood "wins" the U.S. presidential election. The 2000 "election" opened my eyes to that. It was obvious after the nomination that Gore was there to throw it. At that time, Clinton was liked by both parties, because he really moved the agenda forward in a way that didn't anger a lot of sheeple. There wasn't even such a term to my knowledge. ANYBODY should have been able to beat W. But he threw it. He accomplished a lot doing it, and he was paid well to do it(we should all know now). Spanked Nader(sicked the dems against him, to reinforce the split the vote meme) Created a "close race" to setup the voting machines. In the end I think he revealed himself, by the way he threw it. Revealed it to me. That opened a hole in my "reality." I'm not totally sold on your perspective, but I'm reading it. Now back to the topic at hand. I'm a sort of apprentice level with AC circuits. Pretty good with DC, but had only introductory level education(Electronics 101) on AC circuits. I was surprised when I saw that a motor was used as a phase converter for a large milling machine a buddy bought from his employer. This cover story STINKS! EXPERTS, please elaborate on the architecture of our electrical grid. I'm looking. But I'm not an expert. I can recap LCD monitors, and I've started working on rear projection big screen tv's I got free from Craigslist. I'm a newbie. Please come back and give us an overview. Good exercise for a tech, right? Last Edited by Luvapottamus on 07/18/2011 01:58 AM "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." - Robert Heinlein, Time Enough for Love |
Luvapottamus
(OP) User ID: 1428854 United States 07/18/2011 02:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm in the power industry. For the government to control us they would have to control the power companies. IT CAN'T BE DONE! If they try to cripple regions or areas of the country to punish or force citizens to their will they will also cut their own throats. Interdependence is the rule of modern technology. Cut out a facet of that technology and you initiate a domino effect. Backup generators will last only as long as you have access to fuel. Vehicles will run only as long as you have fuel. The majority of gas stations in the US do not have backup power systems. The people have the ability to stop fuel deliveries if the gov't should try. The military is also in the same boat; their stockpiles will only last so long. The US relies on very long lines of supply since we have exported the majority of our manufacturing overseas. Our civilization is actually very fragile, think about it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1469361Come BACK please, and elaborate if you don't mind. You may not be accustomed to teaching what you know, but you might find it a useful and fun exercise. (I like explaining automotive technology to my customers. Writing or vocalizing it stimulates creativity for me. You probably don't have "customers" like I do, but please give us an overview of the architecture if you have time/inclination.) "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." - Robert Heinlein, Time Enough for Love |
Buford2
User ID: 1447484 United States 07/18/2011 02:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep sounds good. Maybe that is the reason they built the Georgia Guidestones in the early 1980's. They are working on the NWO after Papa Bush announced it on Sept 11, 1990 exactly 11 years before the 911 Ritual his son pulled off. Why do you think Gore was denied the presidency? Baby Bush has a job to do and that was to begin the downslide of our nation and world. The NWO will be brought in to reflect the Georgia Guidestones. The NWO will have free energy, and all the new toys. It will take time but that is what they are planning. That will be the start of a new era and the Elites today will have done their jobs. Quoting: Buford2This is just my feelings. Gore knows the score so knew he would "lose" to Bush. The guy who has more British royal blood "wins" the U.S. presidential election. Correct. The bloodlines rule the world. Many on this forum and in the US still believe in elections. The President is selected not elected. Last Edited by Buford2 on 07/18/2011 02:16 AM |
yeah User ID: 1227309 United States 07/18/2011 02:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well you got to remember that this is very important because my penis grew very big when I came to this post or what do you call it oh thread, yeah it got very big and started to squirt all over so please don't have anymore power grid tampering ok guys please..... |