Those bible projections are from Lucifer........NOT God!

Oh really, now you show off your naivity - meaning poor experience. Practice more you will meat with mental vampirism, e.g.

Look my friend: "All things gravitate to the level that they are most comfortable with".........the Darkness will NEVER stay in the presents of the Light, for either it will be "transmuted", or it will "depart"!

Don't let me convince you of anything you don't want to believe but here is something else you are a bit off on.

King James Bible
And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

You see there is no mention of a whip in the KJV, a scourge is used to move along sheep and oxen. The money changers were not whipped as you suggest.

God however can be quite serious when he metes out punishment and a whipping is nothing compared to what he did to Sodom and Gomorrah nor even THE FLOOD, that was a bad one there remember that one? So if you are trying to imply that God would not be an angry God then you might want to rethink that one.

You are naive.

It's not just about Paul and Jesus contradicting.
You were asking for lies. I tried to give you an example. I'll try once more.

In the gospel, it says that Christ is being tempted by Satan to turn stone into bread and Christs' response is that 'man does not live by bread alone, but by the word of God.'

This, to me, is a true statement and it should be an unassailable one, but not by the Bible.

'Look, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil, and now unless he eats also of the tree of life and liver forever...'.

The above phrase in Genesis implies that we can live independently from God's word, even after God had said, if you eat of it, you will die. So, this story in Genesis is a probably a lie, or if you prefer a little sugar-coating, a myth.

Oh please, you really want to argue over the difference between a "scourge" and a "whip"? LOL


Exactly my point: That you have let your bible define God for you! :(

LOL.........I had a "Stake President in the LDS Church" tell me that once too! lol

If you aren't quoting from the Authorized King James Version then you may be wrong in your quotes or simply in error.

There is a difference between the two isn't there? As for your last statement, I do not understand what you mean. How do you see my definition of God pray tell.

Edit; Had to look up Stake President, interesting.

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Helloooo, no response to your claim that "God is love" is some "new age crap"??

I own a KJV as well as several other Bibles. Perhaps you could quote the scriptures I referred to and point out my error.

I suppose, if you want to get technical.......lol


Biblical:

Destroy the wicked, punish the non-believer, etc...lol

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To simplify the issue answer yourself: Did not Adam die? ... So God did not lie - Satan did.


Anyway, do a comparison to

Revelation 22:2, 14, 19
Revelation 2:7


and you can see the story is picked up there again, hence no sugar-coating.

Now that's funny, Obe.

that's why I put that religious delusional lunatic on my Do not interact with List (!) they're suppose to be christian???

I'm looking forward to their response too...

You missed it completely. GOD CANNOT LIE.

He told Adam that if he ate from the tree that he would die. Why would God gives a rat's ass about defending the 'tree of life' with a flaming sword and angels if Adam is gonna die. And once again, Genesis says that God took these measures because if Adam could get to the tree and eat, he would live forever.

Is this statement in Genesis or is it not in direct contradiction to Christs' words about man not living by bread alone?

Explains a lot...

This is exactly the kind of example that I am trying to show everybody about in this thread:

For it was Moses who wrote the first 5 books of the Old Testament..........But few people realize how "fanatical" this man was! He would pour hot molten gold down the gullets of the non-believers, and then throw them from a cliff! :(

Sound very Godlike to you???

How can anyone even believe the whole Adam & Eve story to begin with???

GREAT THREAD!

Sorry, didn't know you expected a response since you did quote very nicely from the KJV bible. Good job girl, go for it. Rah, Rah, Rah!!

How's that?

Now that other poster who doesn't believe in the bible believes that The Word of God is : Love. Well if it isn't the bible the poster is referring to then it must be something else. New Age maybe? Dunno, but quoting the bible isn't likely to be an answer for that person and why I naturally figured you were making a statement instead of actually expecting an answer.

You and I of course know that the Word of God as in the KJV describes God's love like you posted and ....

7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us,

but to state simply The Word of God is : Love leaves a lot open to the imagination and why most likely so many people get off track.

Again, did Adam not?



Adam would not die if he was allowed to eat from the Tree of Life. But he was not allowed and God knew it from the first moment Adam disobeyed.





The Tree of Life aka bread without sweat,

The Tree of Knowledge aka the Word of God.


I don´t see the contradiction you see.

Come on be reasonable, you are the one quoting stuff I don't know where from. How am I supposed to find what errors you made? Even if I tried to Google your statement I'd get thousands of pages and still wouldn't know what you were quoting.

Use the KJV and start from there otherwise who knows where to start?

Potential. If God was the One speaking and spoke the truth in Genesis, He stated emphatically that Adam could live independently from God if He could get to the 'tree of life'; so God took action to guard against such a coup. This would have also made God a liar if Adam had succeeded.

Let me ask it this way hypothetically: As per the statement in Genesis, if Adam and Eve had eaten from the 'tree of knowledge' and then immediately wandered over and ate from the 'tree of life', would they have lived forever as God stated or not?

In the stone/bread statement, there is no wiggle room. You can only live by every word from the mouth of God. No external source (fruit) can supercede that statement.

Hencefore I provided the reference in Revelation. Go back to my previous posting.

Jesus did not say "only by the Word of God" either.

Sorry Forge,

I was paraphrasing the scriptures I was referring to and figured bible students familiar with the verses or at least the stories. The stone/bread story is in Matthew 4:1-4. The 'tree of life' statement is in Genesis 3:22.

If you would, please post the KJV of said verses here for consideration.

I guess we're a mite bit off topic here but while we're on it, what's a bible projection from Lucifer?

Thanks for the quick response.

Alright then now from the KJV Genesis 3

22And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24After he drove the man out, he placed on the east sidee of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

Now I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination so here is my take on that above.

Maybe Adam and Eve could have run quickly up to the tree of life in an attempt to live forever. It wouldn't have helped them though because God is God and He had warned them that they would not be allowed to get away with it.

Do you really think that God who made everything including Adam and Eve would be trumped by a sneaky run to the tree of life. They would have life forever alright, until God snapped them back to reality by taking that forever part away.

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you dont like the bible the words of the son of God " jesus" the light?