Those bible projections are from Lucifer........NOT God!

Wanna bet?

Again all that you can provide in the form of proof is your personal opinion and your "false appeal to authority" by stating that your master told you so.

hahahaha

Laughable and slightly pathetic.

Yes, thank you for making my point!

So tell me old wise tootless wonder...lol, who was Lucifer?

I know, but judging from your Title you have no kooking clue.

Then why waist your time with me?

Surely your God would want you to call me EVIL, and then dust off your sandals, and move smartly along? LOL

"tootless"?......."kooking"?

Sorry friend, I don't speak in tongues.......nor do I jump through hoops for people! :(

Last Edited by ObeWayneKenobe on 12/18/2011 02:58 AM

You are what you were meant to be.
You play the role you were assigned to play.
I recognize you as Nakash.

The only reason I responded is because of your title.

Lucifer.......lol.

You claim to know the Bible, yet you do not even know who Lucifer was.

Well maybe you're right: Maybe you know him better than I do!?!

I do

OI assume you will know that the --- (dashes) are scriptures I left out. To lengthy to print the whole scripture.

Genesis 2:8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the MAN whom he had formed.

Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering-----------in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth -----15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

The word Lucifer is found in the bible only once.
Is 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven O Lucifer, son of the morning!------13 For thou hast said in thine heart (mind) I will ascend into heaven, ---- 14 I will belike the most High, 15 yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit, -----16----Is this the MAN that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms------.

Lucifer was a man.

Now the religious system teaches that Ez 28:13 and Is 14:12 are speaking of Satan and the KJ bible is the only version that uses the word Lucifer. It is not even a Hebrew word.

Moffat translation says "What a fall from heaven O Shining star of the dawns" Rotherham"How hast thou fallen from heaven, O shining One, son of the dawn!"Amplified "how are you fallen from heaven O light-bearer and day star, son of the morning!"

2 Pet 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.

Rev 22:16 I JESUS have sent mine angel to testify unto you these thing sin the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

The word Lucifer in the Strong's Concordance says it is a title applied to the king of Babylon. The word itself means the morning star. In the natural it is speaking of a King and in the spiritual it is speaking of Adam. The word MAN means a mortal, an individual, a male person. I could rest my case on just that one verse alone, but why would Peter under the direction of the Holy Spirit compare Jesus as the Day star with Lucifer the Devil? It is the erroneous translation of the KJ that infers such.

Lucifer was never an Arc Angel, he was a MAN. (Satan is a spirit.) Is14:15 says he was brought down to hell, (sheol, place of the dead) the side of the pit. Satan is never thrown in the grave because he has no part in a natural death as he is a spiritual being. Only MAN dies and is placed in a grave. Evil spirits only go to a place called Tartarus and Satan the high ranking one is sent to the lake of fire.( which is not hell)

When Adam was placed in Eden he was perfect. When Adam fell he fell from a lofty realm. He was cast out of that realm. Adam because of the fall caused Kingdoms to shake and made the world as a wilderness. The fall brought us down into this realm of vanity. Adam was the 1st Adam and Jesus is the last Adam.

The morningstar aka Lucifer was Adam.

Even the jewish people knew the true name of Satan. They called him Beelzebub. Satan was created a tool Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his works; and I have created the waster to destroy. Jesus in Jn 8:44 Said Ye are of your father, the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the BEGINNING and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and
the father of it. John writes in 1jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the BEGINNING. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil..

I cannot see that Satan had two beginnings. The word beginning in the Greek means beginning. Not first he was an angel, second he was a murder and liar. Which one was he? Do we take the RCC's translation or do we take the correct translation of the word Lucifer?

In the beginning Man was full of light and Satan was full of darkness. God is not working on a plan B. He has had a plan and a purpose from the beginning and Satan was a part of that plan. Simply a tool. Never an angel.

My last post.

Satan was created as a tool. No more and no less.

The creation process of ETERNAL man is not finished.
It will only be finished when Jesus returns.

The physical you experience today, is part of the creation process, which will ony be concluded when Jesus returns.

God wanted to create beings in his image, which means that, they just like God, will have free will, but what good is free will if you do not get tempted. This was why God created satan. Satan was created as the antithesis of good and his purpose is to test man's free will.

Satan is only a tool used by God in the creation process of those MEN that will choose God OUT OF THEIR FREE WILL.

You are a creation in process, but at this point it seems as if you won't make the cut.

Be all that you can be.
........

Isn't perception an interesting thing?

But did you know that Growth is simply a "changing of perceptions"???

I disagree with your "perception" that Adam was Lucifer! Sorry!!!........I mean, how could he be, did he somehow fool himself with a serpent? (think about it)

Last Edited by ObeWayneKenobe on 12/18/2011 03:26 AM

Well, you might as well get my understanding while you are here then too:

The term Satan is a "state of mind"........if means "devoid of Light"!

Lucifer fell from grace, and became known as a Satan! Many have also done this very same thing!!! :(

Last Edited by ObeWayneKenobe on 12/18/2011 03:32 AM

Wrong you are.

Revelation 20:4
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

I doubt a 'Pharisee' would have anything to say in the New Testament, particularly regarding Jesus.

You seem to be a bit confused concerning who/what is Satan. See here:

[link to www.marquette.edu]

Doubt all you want.........in the meantime your Adversary is having you for lunch! :(

I assure you: The "confusion" is NOT mine!

"IF YOU KNOW NOT YOUR ENEMY YOU ARE DESTINED TO FALL TO HIM."

Last Edited by ObeWayneKenobe on 12/18/2011 11:22 AM

I would say, in my opinion these little debates about satan, hell, etc are just semantics. If we live how Christ lived and love everyone, all the other stuff doesn't matter.

I think a lot of times we focus on things that just are not that important in the grand scheme of things.

Just treat everyone how you want to be treated, and love thy neighbor.

If everyone did those simple things, the world would be a lot better of a place.

Just my opinion....:)

I totally agree!

But from my perspective, same thing also applies to Jesus.......doesn't matter whether you know Him or not.......as long as you learn your lessons in how to "love your neighbors"! :)

Maybe, I'm willing to admit I do not know for sure what the absolute truth is, I know what I believe to be true and that works for me.


:)

Obe, do you support Ron Paul for pres.?

I do.........however, we've been tricked before! :(

I wouldn't really say tricked.....more like conditioned to pick the lesser of two evils which the establishment places in front of us

So true.....(sigh)!

Hey obe, do you ever get any information about future events, or premonitions? If so of what?

This title is still the most accurate bible thread yet.

Your screen name is still one of the funniest I have seen.

merry christmas obe, to you and your friends. i have enjoyed visiting your thread from time to time. always interesting conversation here.

Thank you david.......I hope this season brings much JOY to you and yours as well!

Sometimes the Christmas season can be real difficult for people, when depression dogs them at every turn........but it really helps to make the season brighter when people such as yourself, take the time to wish others good tidings!

Thank you so much!

Last Edited by ObeWayneKenobe on 12/21/2011 04:51 PM

Ty.......It got rather lengthy, but there were a lot of great contributions by so many, in it!

Ditto!

Merry Christmas Wayne, Evan, David, etc!


:)