Those bible projections are from Lucifer........NOT God!

Thanks for the quick response.

Alright then now from the KJV Genesis 3

22And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24After he drove the man out, he placed on the east sidee of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

Now I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination so here is my take on that above.

Maybe Adam and Eve could have run quickly up to the tree of life in an attempt to live forever. It wouldn't have helped them though because God is God and He had warned them that they would not be allowed to get away with it.

Do you really think that God who made everything including Adam and Eve would be trumped by a sneaky run to the tree of life. They would have life forever alright, until God snapped them back to reality by taking that forever part away.

I suppose, if you want to get technical.......lol


Biblical:

Destroy the wicked, punish the non-believer, etc...lol

Forge, it would seem that you agreed with me that the two stories/statements contradict, so I'm obviously confused. Please elaborate on this post you made in the quote.

God has already decreed a death sentence if they ate of the 'tree of knowledge'. Why bother defending the 'tree of life' if God cannot lie and the death sentence won't come true. Let 'em eat. They're still gonna die.

But, that's not how the storied was told. He had to physically barr them from being able to get to the tree and live.


To the German AC,

Thank you for the debate. I know it is late where you are so I will conclude with saying that I agree to disagree with you.

I hope that in no way I was offensive to you or your beliefs in my responses. I read. I ask questions. I draw conclusions. Just like all of us. Good luck in your quest for God.

To the German, AC:

Something that has always put me on edge about lies in the Bible is Paul. Christ had 3+ years to give us every instruction possible to be better humans, but instead of recoring everything He said, we get the same stories with sometimes contradictory information told to us, in some cases, 4 times.

Then, Paul, the adversary to the WAY, comes along, and during his campaign of eradication, he is suddenly converted; a story told to us not once, but 3 times in the same book of Acts and each time it is told, some minute detail contradicts a previous telling of the event.

From there, doctrines of women not being allowed to speak, having to have their head covered, a heirarchy of male-dominated deacons, etc. begins to emerge in his letters. It's almost like sowing dissent or disharmony from within.

If all of these things were so important that it takes up the lion's share of the New Testament, why didn't Christ bring it up?

To Obe,

Am enjoying the thread. I don't believe in re-incarnation, but I like some of your thoughts here. One question, is your belief system from self-realization by observation?

To Evan,

Nice to see you still asking questions. You and I have had a few conversations on 'christians' threads. I had the wrong impression of you initially and I apologize. I find you to be a very respectful poster. I was the one explaining to you how some of us were angry at having been lied to about the Bible, even in the Bible itself.

Well, you have to figure that neither of us are experts on the matter so we are trying to make sense right?

I agree that a tree of life sounds like it gives life. Then again I know that if God wants to kill anything he can.

So I think that if Adam for example had run over to the tree of life to become immortal that God would have moseyed on up to him and smoked him right there. What God did was allow Adam and Eve to live out their human existence with all of the trouble that comes with it.

There was no way he would allow them to live forever even if they had run over to the tree. He needed to keep them away from it so that they could live out the rest of their life as humans. He wasn't going to end their lives right then and there for eating from the tree of knowledge but the tree of life, no can do. They had their chance and blew it.

Well your are right, that's how I look at it. Literally that is, a Bible believer. Words do matter and so does context, spelling and whole grammar thingy. You're pretty good there Obe.

Obe, I have another question or 2. First, what is the story of creation according to your beliefs?

And 2nd, the Bible lays out what is morally right and wrong, whether you agree with them or not, it still lays it out. What does your belief layout for morality?

And actually while I am thinking of it, what is your belief system called? what should I call it so I don't have to keep saying "Belief system" lol

Obe,

I apologize if I've hi-jacked or sidetracked your thread. Going to try to shut up now.

Thank you for an interesting thread.

Hi to Evan. Doing Ok. Trying my damnest to avoid 'christians' threads.

you dont like the bible the words of the son of God " jesus" the light?

That Jesus is God........and will save you from your sins! :(

Jesus was NEVER God, but He WAS "One with God".....big difference!

And He saves nobody.......he said "So as you sow, so shall you reap"!

Because you want a God who forces people to be good, is why you buy into the biblical God! :(

You must grow beyond THAT mind-set! imho

No, no expert here.

I have spent my life studying scripture in an attempt to determine if it is actually from God. Scriptures like the pair that we are debating caused me a lot of grief in the past because they point to the Bible being a series of historical points of information embellished with the supernatural; like the sun and moon standing still in the Joshua war story.

The Genesis scripture, in my opinion can never harmonize with Christs' words in Matthew that 'man does not live by bread alone'. Otherwise, there would be no need to prevent Adam/Eve access to the 'tree of life'.

God cannot lie, so they are going to die if they eat or not.

As a side thought, they were allowed to eat from every tree but one; we, the readers, have to assume that he never at from the 'tree of life' before eating from the other.

My other thought, did Adam realize that if he could get to the 'tree of life' that he would live forever? The conversation that took place about the possibility was supposedly between two non-fleshly individuals. If the tree was a shue-in for living forever, why not eat from it first?

that's why I put that religious delusional lunatic on my Do not interact with List (!) they're suppose to be christian???

I'm looking forward to their response too...

How can you say He saves no one?

Explain further please.

Not really. I'd be perfectly happy if I could figure out that we can do whatever we want and still get to heaven. I don't need to be punished for enjoyment that was the last thing in my mind set little fella.

So if the bible are projections from the light bearer lucifer then where do we then find those projections from god (actual (if indeed there is such)).

further, you seem to imply that there are 2 gods the bible god (lucifer - bad ass)- and - 'THE GOD'- good guy.

Is it not the case that bad ass lucifer in fact plays both the bad ass and the good guy. AND THUS THERE IS NO GOD AT ALL - SAVE OUR SORRY ASS!

we hear too - of late - that jesus is around - masquerading as esu sananda - ie - the galactic federation of light - his comrades - ATON HATTON ASHTAR AND SO ON...

Do you have any understanding/knowledge of this...

perhaps you could give us a fuller expose of your thoughts... as they arise!

Btw, I don't "hate" Christians.........I just think they are being used! :(

Some of them are His words, some of them aren't! :(

That's why I can't recommend it as total Truth! :(

The person being used here is you.
2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

verse speaking clearly about you. You're either an evil man or a seducer or maybe both.

It's no surprise the likes of you show up at this point in time, many of you little devils are crawling out of the woodwork because time is getting short for your kind.

Question is when God has had enough of you.
My guess is soon, write your testament.

Yeah and a devil like you is the one supposed to show people what words are true and what words are not, because he's not capable to do it himself, he needs your help...

Just go back to hell now.

There is NO hell.........but I'm sure if there were, you would be the first to cast me into it! lol

Because you choose to believe in a God that "Makes you be good"........you miss your lessons on how great is His actual Love for His enemies! :(

So your view on jesus is that we should all live by his example, he really was very enlightened, one with god, but not god?

But thats basically all we should take from the bible? or are there other useful books in the bible in your opinion?

Because you want a God who forces people to be good, is why you buy into the biblical God! :(

You must grow beyond THAT mind-set! imho

God made all good and demands it stays that way.

Not only was He a wonderful example: But He is also in charge of Earth's Transition........at this time!


It's ALL useful, you just have to sort the lies from the Truth!

If nothing else, it's a great exercise for one's to work on their discernment skills with! :)