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For those (most of you) who don't know me, I work with a defense contractor in SW Ohio specializing in medical/logistical products.

Way back, I made known my sincere concerns about the buyout of our stock of Burn Bags (NBC body bags that are burn friendly.) Also, the massive buyout of NCB in-line bunker filters for advanced filtration systems.

I am making this update to remind everyone of the reason of my concern, and the time line.

First and foremost, these products were purchased from me and my company at no-bids.

Usually, the government (or whomever) puts out feelers, gets bids and chooses a supplier.

For these goods, I just got a mass order number, and a new demand request for their bulk order to be delivered to our warehouse for their consignment storage on Oct. 23'rd. They also purchased our available stock on top of their production demand. This is "no-bid" meaning "Charge us whatever the heck you want." This is very rare, and I've only seen it done in times of emergency (like Katrina.)

The main concern I have, the body bags have anti-biotic properties and fire accelerates. One year after the date of manufacture, they will lose all effectiveness. The NBC filters about 5. After those dates, the filters (and body bags) will actually become much worse than useless... they will become toxic to handle and definitely dangerous to use.

To digress, a ton of money was spent to expedite a gigantic order of things which have very strict expiration dates.

Read into this what you will.






Update:

They're off to Denver. Just like I said, before the "training exercise" was even announced, that they had bought them for a big exercise. That was it.

Operation Mountain Guardian. The shipping order came through last night, I didn't even see it until this morning, right now and already all the inventory is wrapped and gone.

There is absolutely no way in hell this is a training exercise. No way in fucking hell would they be using the stuff they bought in consignment for a training exercise. They are lying through their teeth, and now I'm as paranoid as anyone else on this forum.

I have no proof that this is a cover-up, but I will tell you with no hesitation this exercise is covering the movement of large quantities of equipment.

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asteroid in november?
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asteroid in november?
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It might be nothing at all. The government is a professional money waster. However, it's something out of the ordinary, and I've heard all manner of strange murmurings throughout the industry as of late.

Anymore I don't know what to think, but I just thought I'd call attention to something strange. If nothing else, it's just another topic of curiosity.
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Wow, I'm a pretty level headed bloke who researches a lot of this information and usually comes to the decision of "hmm, only enough evidence to wait and see." If you're for real though in what you're saying, this is pretty terrifying.

How many bags were ordered?
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Wow, I'm a pretty level headed bloke who researches a lot of this information and usually comes to the decision of "hmm, only enough evidence to wait and see." If you're for real though in what you're saying, this is pretty terrifying.

How many bags were ordered?
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Millions. Plus they bought out countless other distributors/manufacturers.

But, to put things in perspective...

FEMA/Military clients use thousands of body bags every year. They're hot sellers. In training, for instance, every seal bag opened cannot be reused. So they're constantly buying them.

We also know the government/military has bunkers that use filtration systems. In-line filters, much like the filter you replace for your AC at home, must be replaced as well. So the fact they're buying them is not of a concern.

But the fact they're issuing no-bid purchase orders for items that expire so soon is a bit concerning to me. They wouldn't use these bags for training. And the level of NBC filters purchased suggests one of a couple possibilities.

One, many new bunkers just came online. This is possible.

Two, they expect the filters to be exposed to life-span shortening conditions (cold weather, hot weather, super-filtration requirements, etc,) so have bought more to compensate.

I don't know anything for sure. Again, it's just VERY out of the ordinary, enough that I thought I'd call attention to it.
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OK, I'll bite...you mentioned you heard rumors from people also in the industry...what rumors are you hearing?
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OK, I'll bite...you mentioned you heard rumors from people also in the industry...what rumors are you hearing?
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Actually - you called them "murmurings" - what are the murmurings?
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OK, I'll bite...you mentioned you heard rumors from people also in the industry...what rumors are you hearing?
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Actually - you called them "murmurings" - what are the murmurings?
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Just people thinking there's a strange feeling in the air. Other people expressing the same curiosities I am. There's nothing really concrete here, no smoking gun. It's just very strange.
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OK, I'll bite...you mentioned you heard rumors from people also in the industry...what rumors are you hearing?
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Actually - you called them "murmurings" - what are the murmurings?
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Just people thinking there's a strange feeling in the air. Other people expressing the same curiosities I am. There's nothing really concrete here, no smoking gun. It's just very strange.
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Thanks for replying!
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OK, I'll bite...you mentioned you heard rumors from people also in the industry...what rumors are you hearing?
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Actually - you called them "murmurings" - what are the murmurings?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1510761


Just people thinking there's a strange feeling in the air. Other people expressing the same curiosities I am. There's nothing really concrete here, no smoking gun. It's just very strange.
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Thanks for replying!
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Well my hope is that those trying to put everything together might find this information another puzzle piece. Or maybe it's nothing.

Regardless, it's information kept from the general public and that makes me mad, considering the general public is paying for it.
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Actually - you called them "murmurings" - what are the murmurings?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1510761


Just people thinking there's a strange feeling in the air. Other people expressing the same curiosities I am. There's nothing really concrete here, no smoking gun. It's just very strange.
 Quoting: Jake101


Thanks for replying!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1510761


Well my hope is that those trying to put everything together might find this information another puzzle piece. Or maybe it's nothing.

Regardless, it's information kept from the general public and that makes me mad, considering the general public is paying for it.
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Yeah, well if a murder is planned its a garauntee that the murderer wont be giving a heads up.



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Well, you just sufficiently scared the hell out of me Jake..........way to go! :(
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Well, you just sufficiently scared the hell out of me Jake..........way to go! :(
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It's really not likely indicative of impending doom. The Government is, after-all, a well oiled money burning machine.

But through trending a lot of the products-- IF they were planning for some sort of disaster, I have a couple of theories of what it might be for, as I'm sure we all do. As I educate myself more, I will share them as I validate specific details throughout the coming weeks.

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Well, you just sufficiently scared the hell out of me Jake..........way to go! :(
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It's really not likely indicative of impending doom. The Government is, after-all, a well oiled money burning machine.

But through trending a lot of the products-- IF they were planning for some sort of disaster, I have a couple of theories of what it might be for, as I'm sure we all do. As I educate myself more, I will share them as I validate specific details throughout the coming weeks.
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Thanks for keeping us up to date Jake........but would it be wrong of me, to wish that your company goes belly-up, and we NEVER have to use those bags? Just asking? :(

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You mean an IDIQ contract.
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You mean an IDIQ contract.
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No... we have have a set purchase order. They bought out the stock, asked if our cost of scale had been met, then bought out the max production quantity if we started making them in series (with parallel orders) until Oct. 23. We quoted our max quantity and they agreed without audit.
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they agreed without audit.
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Why is the absence of an audit of significance?
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they agreed without audit.
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Why is the absence of an audit of significance?
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They are foregoing the process which ensures they aren't ripped off.
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they agreed without audit.
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Why is the absence of an audit of significance?
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They are foregoing the process which ensures they aren't ripped off.
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meaning that the acquiring of said materials is more important that worrying about where you get the best deal
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The NBC filters about 5. After those dates, the filters (and body bags) will actually become much worse than useless... they will become toxic to handle and definitely dangerous to use.

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Thanks for producing deadly shit that will seep into the groundwater when chucked into some garbage heap.
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OCTOBER 28 PEOPLE.

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The NBC filters about 5. After those dates, the filters (and body bags) will actually become much worse than useless... they will become toxic to handle and definitely dangerous to use.

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Thanks for producing deadly shit that will seep into the groundwater when chucked into some garbage heap.
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No problem. You'll be happy to know it's some of the least toxic things we produce.

they agreed without audit.
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Why is the absence of an audit of significance?
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1518011


They are foregoing the process which ensures they aren't ripped off.
 Quoting: Jake101


meaning that the acquiring of said materials is more important that worrying about where you get the best deal
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Correct.
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For those (most of you) who don't know me, I work with a defense contractor in SW Ohio specializing in medical/logistical products.

Way back, I made known my sincere concerns about the buyout of our stock of Burn Bags (NBC body bags that are burn friendly.) Also, the massive buyout of NCB in-line bunker filters for advanced filtration systems.

I am making this update to remind everyone of the reason of my concern, and the time line.

First and foremost, these products were purchased from me and my company at no-bids.

Usually, the government (or whomever) puts out feelers, gets bids and chooses a supplier.

For these goods, I just got a mass order number, and a new demand request for their bulk order to be delivered to our warehouse for their consignment storage on Oct. 23'rd. They also purchased our available stock on top of their production demand. This is "no-bid" meaning "Charge us whatever the heck you want." This is very rare, and I've only seen it done in times of emergency (like Katrina.)

The main concern I have, the body bags have anti-biotic properties and fire accelerates. One year after the date of manufacture, they will lose all effectiveness. The NBC filters about 5. After those dates, the filters (and body bags) will actually become much worse than useless... they will become toxic to handle and definitely dangerous to use.

To digress, a ton of money was spent to expedite a gigantic order of things which have very strict expiration dates.

Read into this what you will.
 Quoting: Jake101

And OP, HOW MANY thousands body bags have they ordered? A thousand? Ten thousand? A hundred thousand?
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When you say mass buyout, just how many bags are we talking about, thousands ,millions?
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