I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!

and I believe I've heard them through You(~).

No, the time is NOW! We must exercise our God given abilities to bring into being a Oneness with our Higher Creator!

No time like the present to get it done!!! imho

its not to much to bear for those who have attained the level of being one with God. The knowledge is acquired over a long long time.

well said, i understand exactly where your coming from.. yet as i said it does not apply to all..

no that doesn't apply to all, but the all here could do a much better job consciously if more was understood about the natiure of God. And as to BEHAVIORS they can a much better job of aligning with the Will of the Father Within them. A LOT BETTER. that is what it means to do the will of God, to align consciously your behaviors with the will of the Father.

we had a person yesterday or so, try to drive a wedge between me and OBE, giving OBE a red karma that was nasty and then falsely signing MY name NIP to it. That is a great example of behavior NOT in alignment with the Father's Will.

From my experience, we are not the Ultimate Creator, Source of Love, God Almighty (as I'd say coming from a Catholic background). We are Source's creation.

From my real experience, putting anyone in between the Ultimate Source of Creation and myself really blocks the flow of Love that the Creator has for us and slows the spiritual growth.

I believe Jesus had a purpose in life and taught people well. I guess, being the time that it was, people would say he is a savior, but I do not worship him.

Again, this is from my limited experience. Enjoy.

Sorry I soured you on Paul. But something that Jesus prayed just before His death does relate to what you are saying.

From John's gospel... It is Jesus who is speaking.

If I remember correctly, that was Satans plan.

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Well kids, its been fun........but If I don't go get some dishes done, my wife is probably going to give my Creative Godness a WEDGIE! lol

See you all later!

Jesus is God incarnate. Nothing created can ever be equal to the creator. If you suppose yourself equal to God, create a universe and get back to us.

Beloved the ultimate "creator" is a collection of every one who creates. The Trinity and lots of other stuff is not understood. While you are brought into creation, by the process of one of two ways, you must evolve yourself and yourself for practicable purposes is your MIND, the major construct of your soul. Once you exist you actually create yourself! this planet is in fact a SEEd planet which purpose IS to bring new souls into being and provide a beginning educational experience platform for development.

The FATHER is the source of all Personality. If you HAVE a unique Personality, you ARE thus a First Source energy. (your soul is energy, thus that word) YOur personality travels with you for all eternity, if you choose eternal life. You can run into folks on other planets you have met before and you will remember them by their personality, even if thousands of years have passed, and they will remember you. and an easy example of this, is that in this life you have probably run into people for the first time, yet you feel like you have somehow known them forever. This was something really true for me for example the day my future son in law came to live in my home. I knew this man even though there was no way I could ever have met him in this life.

The "salvation" offered 2000 years ago, and that is misunderstood and mis taught, was actually the extension of MIchael of Nebadons (OBE knows him as ATON by name), hand of grace to the fallen angels and fallen galactic thugs imprisoned on this world.

And even though Aton is the "local Creator" if you wish of this sector of the creation, he does not ask for worship, only fatherhood and brotherhood of those of his creation.

Worship does go correctly ONLY TO FIRST SOURCE. who resides right inside of you.

As to the creators of the creation, there are many of them, all having different jobs and responsibilities. And as the creator of your soul and your life, and as a being ON this planet, you are also a CO CREATOR of everything that happens on this planet. and your co creation reaches beyond this planet, but that is a topic for another discussion.

First Source is all beings who CREATE in reality. And each and every one of you creates. And if each and every one walking this planet actually understood that, OH MY, what could happen. And that is a goal of my organization, getting that concept out there. So many people let life and society lead them by the nose. And it is the lesson to learn to guide YOU OWN LIFE and EXPERIENCES consciously and doing a good job of that does require wisdom because inexperienced people obviously make errors.

The more one makes conscious effort to become LIKE THE FATHER...... well I don't need to say more, I hope not anyway. but I am greatly saddened by the ones who preach hellfire and promise others they are going to receive such for not believing ON JEsuS the "right way." the statement of He is the way has been grossly not only misunderstood and misued, but deliberately corrupted by the thugs that rule this world. It is an act of supreme iniquity by these ones.

My friend if you want to be one then just "be". The rest will fall in place. However you will not commune with God unless you go through the Christ. No Christ No communion with God. Simple.

I do not call my true self, the first source as I am fully aware that I am a creation of the True Source itself. Again, this is my experience, not by book reading nor just made up thoughts from out the blue. There are ways to experience what I'm saying and ways to learn the truth from deep within the heart - our true selves. You might doubt it by your comment regarding the errors that inexperienced people make, but I know where I was and know where the path I've chosen has been taking me.

Thanks for the offer anyway, but I truly enjoy and love what I'm being taught and the results are incredibly wonderful, joyful and peaceful. :) I'm sure your experiences have helped you along your path, but I stick with what has been really working for me.

./\. oh , oh eh no robbery is not equal to someone who made it happen since it gave free will and the solution to live with actualy no problem helping eachother.

only a few want more and they do not think about the ehm thing that they take away also while doing that.

so if you take something for a better idea you need to like eh give it back also or else it is not fair.

trinity thanks the train.

"/ eh thats not good enough.

Jesus was given everything by the Father. He said as much as did Paul. But that aside the only way to be equal with God would be through the only door there is for is, Jesus.

Anymore questions?

So you are telling me that Satan ALSO thought it not robbery to be equal with God?

No, Satan wanted to leave God out of it.......big difference!

I agree with you........I think it is MAN who has turned Jesus into a "Mediator"!

You don't get it: Being equal with God doesn't mean 'being God'........it means you share the creative power from Nature itself!

I by myself, can create nothing.......it takes having an equality with God to make it happen!

I agree: But it is the "Christ Light" that you go through, not the Man Jesus!

Granted, Jesus may be there to help you along, but ultimately, you must choose the Light!

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Yea, how come when I stood Toe to toe with God, Jesus wasn't there?

well guess what this Truth is absolute, I am in training here as part of my education to becoming a creator son and I intend one day to create a universe. do NOT limit God.

And beloved OBE, that IS IN the PJ's, not that I am in training, but that this is a place where some are seeking experience towards that goal. I forget where it is, and its in the Urantia book too. Just to let you know, so you can encourage others of the possibilities.

the will of the Father for those that choose eternal life, is that you become LIKE HIM and that includes the ability to create universes for those who have that as a goal. You are limited only by your experience and imagination. You are not limited by God.

Michael of Nebadon (ATON) who was jesus in the shared incarnation with Esu, created Nebadon, with a lot of help of many, creating is not the Job of "one god" beloveds. You are all creators and realize it not. Many you are reading to create and manage a universe yet, but the creation is creation by all who have eternal life and even by those that didn't make that choice. I am in training to become the same sort of creator as is ATON.

You have got to STOP PLACING GOD OUTSIDE OF YOURSELVES. THe FATHER IS WITHIN YOU and you still don't get that. ONE day, I hope it will become apparent, earth people are so retarded and its mostly because of the fallen thugs in this prison world that have created these terrible religions.

And you have got to stop making the creator just one person, for you are ALL CO CREATORS of the creation.

I agree with this assessment.......thank you Candace!

I have a feeling that people misunderstood the term that no one gets through the father, except through me. throughout all times, there were people who were blessed enough to receive teachings that are passed down through them. i have a person who receives blessings to pass down to me and many others, but we don't worship him because it is the Creator we worship. would i have been able to do this on my own? obviously i didn't get these blessings because i didn't trust enough. but i'm getting them now - thanks to my free will to choose Source first! but even this teacher had other teachers to teach him on earth and in other realms. one day, i too will have teachers on other realms, but the goal is to have the Creator to be my ultimate teacher. so, that's where i feel the mistake has been made. they worshipped someone instead. honestly i can't blame humans for doing so and i guess we have to start somewhere, but many do not understand the true message, which is to worship Source first and foremost. Source is Unconditional Love and Light. It's incredible once we start learning, but in an unseen way, we all are despite the paths we've chosen. :)

Thank you 'Flower', your words touched my heart........I so agree with them!

What we will be teaching on except thru me bit, and I have until I am exhausted, is that ATON/MIchael of Nebadon, is the creator Son, equal to the Father, of Nebadon, our local sector of the creation. He provides all those angels and schools you attend on your initial portion of your ascension to Paradise, You can thus NOT go around him to get there. If you are a Nebadon soul, he is your initial creator, matters not if you are man or angel.

I am a Nebadon soul of animal origin (simply means an evolutionary soul, not a created being like an angel, otherwise there is no difference.). I had my souls creation on another planet in Nebadon, not earth. I took the required journey of an educational nature thru Nebadon's schools. when you graduate from those schools, you have been transformed for an animal origin being to a spirit being. It is not a magic wand sort of process.

Upon graduation from ones Local Universe, (there are 700,000 of these beloveds, each with a creator son and mother goddess) one attends a long littany of schools of the Superuniverse, in my case, Orvonton as Nebadon is one of 100,000 local universes in Orvonton. The core galaxy of Orvonton beloveds is the Milky Way but it is not all of Orvonton. But that gives you perhaps some reference as to how huge a superuniverse is.

Now after graduation from the superuniverse, one goes to the Central Universe of the whole creation. There are 1 billions worlds there, plus Paradise, on which the Father resides. Now I am a graduate of Paradise, thus my comment "paradise citizen attempting to reduce BLING."

As a graduate of Paradise my spirit form (not this body) can negotiate space. I have for example wandered out into our own solar system to look at some things.

Now OBE beloved, you were traveling out into the Milky way or whatever, during your NDE, and because of that dear one, you are ALSO a graduate of Paradise. That IS IN FACT PROOF. Others require transportation. OK!!! Many other types of spirit beings who are not graduates and certain types of angels etc, also require transportation.

Thank you NiP: I find it a real plus that one's like you are willing to share information that brings a greater awareness into the "Many Mansions" that our Father has! :)

One's tend to think that God just lays the Truth on us, at some future time; and automatically graduates us into a Higher State of being........but that's NOT the case! We don't just get to skip classes and still graduate........God has MANY levels of schools, and a Universe worth of teachings, that must be learned first! :)

.......And there are MANY Teachers, who have already learned their lessons, who create as well; with God's blessing......and teach US along the way! :)

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here is something that might help a couple posters here who posted about HOW God can make a planet or a universe. I have other stuff I could post, but I think these images will do for today. There are specialists who build universes.

First, this one is from last March, these are all craft, some of them MUCH larger than earth, doing work on our sun. Now these massive craft are owned by the superuniverse government. This superuniverse I mention, is one of 7. This one, Orvonton which we inhabit, has the Milky Way as it's core galaxy. Now the creation is organized and even created by the Fathers Sons, not by the Father personally. I may add a UB teaching later, but these images should impress how his Son's do the Work. Either enlarge this post, or copy this image to your computer and enlarge.

:Craft on Stereo :

Now here is a post I made in a thread of mine today and have placed in some other threads. These are more of god's son's working today and yesterday. Please enlarge them for better detail after you click the links.


Ok, Esu (Jesus) said they are now working on the new biggy sunspot 1289 and there might be images of craft on stereo. Well here are some today and yesterday.


from Ahead today. left of image is front of sun.
[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] one not far off from sunspot

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] maybe a whole craft or shooting a beam?

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] hmm FLARE!

OK now to stereo Behind sunspot 1289 is to the right and look at that big sunspot area coming around maybe, unless it dries up. Right of images is front of sun.

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] Just a couple here but not close to the sunspot.

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] BIGGY with perhaps a few smaller ones aorund it near the top of the image.

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] 4 on the left side. the big one may be the same one above having moving to a new spot

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from yesterday ahead (left of images would be front on sun)
[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] that big puppy again? and a couple smaller ones

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] big puppy again, same or another?

from Stereo Behind, near end of yesterday. (right of image would be front of sun)

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

Ok thats enough. many of them have one or more craft.

This is exactly how God works Chelas(students).......as NiP has described to you!

God provides the canvas: WE do the painting!(or I should say: Those who progress to the point of being "One with God" do!)........

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