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Unconditional Love means NO Judgment!

 
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For if there is Judgment, then that means there were Conditions!
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to say that god loves us is fine

but to say god does not judge the wicked IS NOT.

here is my reason.

i could literally go out and kill kill kill and kill (no i wouldnt) god would still love me but i must account for my sins.

if god did not punish, then i could get away with it.

to say that god will not punish us people he loves us isnt correct.

if that were the case we could sin, sin, and sin somemore and get away with it becuase i could make the exuse, god loves me god wouldnt do so and so.

there are many examples in the bible where god destoryed because of sin,god punishment/judgement.

noah, sodom and gomorrah.

did god not love those people? god did love them, and yet god killed them.


did your parents ever punish you? and yet i bet they still love you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1525295


but to add on to what ive already written

there is a way so that god turns a blind eye to your sins so he wont punish us.

jesus died on the cross for us, so we could go to him as ask for forgiveness of our trespasses.

jesus paid the ultimate price on the cross.

its the reasons why we dont have to whip ourselves, to try to makeup for what we did.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1525295

Yes, your bible has really got you messed up over this one!

Cause you say that "if God did not punish, then you could just get away with anything!"........which isn't true, cause you always have to answer to yourself!

Now you might surmise that the Criminal NEVER punishes himself, but look closer: When he unbalances himself against Nature, then his LIFE turns to poo.......and he KNOWS it!
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to say that god loves us is fine

but to say god does not judge the wicked IS NOT.

here is my reason.

i could literally go out and kill kill kill and kill (no i wouldnt) god would still love me but i must account for my sins.

if god did not punish, then i could get away with it.

to say that god will not punish us people he loves us isnt correct.

if that were the case we could sin, sin, and sin somemore and get away with it becuase i could make the exuse, god loves me god wouldnt do so and so.

there are many examples in the bible where god destoryed because of sin,god punishment/judgement.

noah, sodom and gomorrah.

did god not love those people? god did love them, and yet god killed them.


did your parents ever punish you? and yet i bet they still love you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1525295


but to add on to what ive already written

there is a way so that god turns a blind eye to your sins so he wont punish us.

jesus died on the cross for us, so we could go to him as ask for forgiveness of our trespasses.

jesus paid the ultimate price on the cross.

its the reasons why we dont have to whip ourselves, to try to makeup for what we did.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1525295

Yes, your bible has really got you messed up over this one!

Cause you say that "if God did not punish, then you could just get away with anything!"........which isn't true, cause you always have to answer to yourself!

Now you might surmise that the Criminal NEVER punishes himself, but look closer: When he unbalances himself against Nature, then his LIFE turns to poo.......and he KNOWS it!
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


jesus loves you,

you non bible thumper
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I get unconditional love from my dog. lol

He never judges me and is always happy with me.
 Quoting: KateCan

Unless you beat him.......then he turns on you, and bites you......right?

So basically that is YOUR God, returning to you what you have sent out........that's why pets are so great, cause they require Love, and then return it Magnified! :)

I am my puppies "FOOD GOD!" lol ;)
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jesus loves you,

you non bible thumper
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1525295:

*Chuckle*.......those are the sweetest words I have heard all day!

Bless you my friend! :)
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For if there is Judgment, then that means there were Conditions!
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe




Wrong.


It means understanding.

Which means knowing when it's right or wrong to make a judgement. Perhaps me making the correct judgement for instants might help you, at least in the long run, for in the short run your ego will get in the road with it's want to be right responses. Part of the human design.

In this case me correcting you was me using my judgement to know that it would be helpful for you in the long run to do so. Also for those reading this as well. In fact I write mostly for the silent majority. Since the noisy minority can't or won't listen, and thus do not learn.

Before the fall there were conditions in Heaven as you call it, this was when we had absolute free will.

Love thy neighbour as thyself, was the condition, that one commandment which ALL who incarnate in the flesh (cast out of Heaven) broke at some point. Some point down the line in eternity some of use started to think that we were better and more superior to the other Angels in Heaven, and then started to desire to rule and control them. Thus a great war ensued and we lost and were cast out. To make a story short.

Because the Great Spirit gave us FREE WILL it didn't interfere in matters. And because of our brothers and sisters, our fellow Angels on which we waged war against are love, unconditional, they in their understanding set up this place, this Earth, and this incarnation cycle which in the end WILL lead to our redemption, no matter how lowly you may end up in the flesh. Here are the lessons we must face to help perfect us again.


You are here, we ALL are here because we couldn't accept CONDITIONS, especially the conditions of others when we all had FREE WILL.
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I work with the Christian hypocrite-she has made my life hell in the office with all her judgments that she is in denial about.

She actuals has attended this Bible study group where the "leader" had an actual list of items that he required before he married is 2nd wife.

HAHAHA....now there's some "non-judgment" and "unconditional love"
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It is impossible for humans to love another human unconditionally ...
 Quoting: Enchanted Wanderer:

Well we could Love the person, but not the action of the person.......couldn't THAT be considered as "unconditional love"(with conditions)? lol
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


well i wont love you anymore because i choose not to anymore just because I just dont want to, oh yeah you suck too by the way.
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OP, i have had this dilema for a while now and since you have posted this thread perhaps its a good opportunity to get anothers point of view..

I totally get the thread title but do not see how it can be applied in humanity's current state..

If the no judgment rule applies to unconditional love, then that means that should I leave my husband because he abuses me that I am being judgemental and I do not love him unconditionally, however if i love him unconditionally and accept that there are reasons for his behaviour I therefore must stay, endure more of the abuse and find a way to be happy that I unconditionally love my husband while I feel like crap inside..

I would love it if someone has the insight to explain this..
 Quoting: Enchanted Wanderer


Yor responsibilty is to discern what is in your best interests. You know fire and water are good things but used incorrectly both are deadly!
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that doesnt answer my question.. and its the same politically correct bs ive heard for years... no one can explain what judgment is or isnt when its in relation to unconditional love...

It you take the word for what it is literally, it means that you do not make a call on if an action is good or bad or in your own best interests.. because if i decide that being abused is not in my best interests then I have made a judgement on his actions, therefore I can not possibly love him unconditionally...

If I adhere to the love unconditionally theory, then I must not make a judgement on his behavior at all and simply accept that it is what it is ...

See how this makes no sense?.. and no one can explain it.. in all the years ive been involved with spiritual people, no one has a sufficient answer for it..
 Quoting: Enchanted Wanderer



Unconditional love is not just about how one feels about everyone else, it's also about how one loves their self.

The one allowing their self to be abused is not unconditionally loving to begin with, before even needing to point a finger of judgement.

Don't have an abuser in your life, no need for questions.
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OP, i have had this dilema for a while now and since you have posted this thread perhaps its a good opportunity to get anothers point of view..

I totally get the thread title but do not see how it can be applied in humanity's current state..

If the no judgment rule applies to unconditional love, then that means that should I leave my husband because he abuses me that I am being judgemental and I do not love him unconditionally, however if i love him unconditionally and accept that there are reasons for his behaviour I therefore must stay, endure more of the abuse and find a way to be happy that I unconditionally love my husband while I feel like crap inside..

I would love it if someone has the insight to explain this..
 Quoting: Enchanted Wanderer



"Unconditional love doesn't mean blind acceptance of abuse."
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For if there is Judgment, then that means there were Conditions!
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The separation is each individuals fault, turning away. The raccoon effect of shiney inanimate things you instead focus on instead of the Presence.
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For if there is Judgment, then that means there were Conditions!
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The separation is each individuals fault, turning away. The raccoon effect of shiney inanimate things you instead focus on instead of the Presence.
 Quoting: tkwasny


Then there is the "ground hog day effect" guilt and regret because of some incident having you instead focus on the initial instance event instead of moving forward.

After your death when you are time dwelling along the threads you have placed there and you strike regret (you having envisioned the past event) your spirit is caught in the thread of that regret and you are sent back in time. Until you time travel forward and hit that regret again, back you go. Forward, back, forward, back, endless looping.
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OP, i have had this dilema for a while now and since you have posted this thread perhaps its a good opportunity to get anothers point of view..

I totally get the thread title but do not see how it can be applied in humanity's current state..

If the no judgment rule applies to unconditional love, then that means that should I leave my husband because he abuses me that I am being judgemental and I do not love him unconditionally, however if i love him unconditionally and accept that there are reasons for his behaviour I therefore must stay, endure more of the abuse and find a way to be happy that I unconditionally love my husband while I feel like crap inside..

I would love it if someone has the insight to explain this..
 Quoting: Enchanted Wanderer


First love yourself/children first unconditionally imho
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I get unconditional love from my dog. lol

He never judges me and is always happy with me.
 Quoting: KateCan

Unless you beat him.......then he turns on you, and bites you......right?

So basically that is YOUR God, returning to you what you have sent out........that's why pets are so great, cause they require Love, and then return it Magnified! :)

I am my puppies "FOOD GOD!" lol ;)
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Never thought of that, yes you're probably right. You get what you deserve back and should. People and animals forgive though.
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Jesus and the Father love you unconditionally, that's why Jesus came and died for you.

Now if you're talking about entering into heaven when you die, the only people that will make it there are the ones who love Him back.

He still loves those who don't love Him back, but a person who is not Holy (washed clean from sin through the blood of Jesus) can't be in His presence in heaven and live. It's impossible.
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OP, i have had this dilema for a while now and since you have posted this thread perhaps its a good opportunity to get anothers point of view..

I totally get the thread title but do not see how it can be applied in humanity's current state..

If the no judgment rule applies to unconditional love, then that means that should I leave my husband because he abuses me that I am being judgemental and I do not love him unconditionally, however if i love him unconditionally and accept that there are reasons for his behaviour I therefore must stay, endure more of the abuse and find a way to be happy that I unconditionally love my husband while I feel like crap inside..

I would love it if someone has the insight to explain this..
 Quoting: Enchanted Wanderer


You can love a person and leave them at the same time (walk away). It's the acceptance of not staying. Location doesn't make or break an emotion.

In any case, if you love yourself, you need no reason to allow yourself to be abused. He is not the status quo, so his abuse isn't actually typical.

Unconditional love isn't an excuse for people to be walked on.
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Jesus and the Father love you unconditionally, that's why Jesus came and died for you.

Now if you're talking about entering into heaven when you die, the only people that will make it there are the ones who love Him back.

He still loves those who don't love Him back, but a person who is not Holy (washed clean from sin through the blood of Jesus) can't be in His presence in heaven and live. It's impossible.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa

So did Jesus die for the child molesters & murderers as well Lisa? Is that what Unconditional Love means???
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It is impossible for humans to love another human unconditionally ...
 Quoting: Enchanted Wanderer:

Well we could Love the person, but not the action of the person.......couldn't THAT be considered as "unconditional love"(with conditions)? lol
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


well i wont love you anymore because i choose not to anymore just because I just dont want to, oh yeah you suck too by the way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1512989

That's to bad, cause I still Love you! Here's a hug to prove it.......hugs
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Jesus and the Father love you unconditionally, that's why Jesus came and died for you.

Now if you're talking about entering into heaven when you die, the only people that will make it there are the ones who love Him back.

He still loves those who don't love Him back, but a person who is not Holy (washed clean from sin through the blood of Jesus) can't be in His presence in heaven and live. It's impossible.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Jesus' death IS a condition of God's love. God didn't love mankind because they sinned and the only way he would prevent himself from sentencing us all to burning in hell for eternity is on one condition... Jesus come and be sacrificed. So loving it brings tears to my eyes /sarcasm.
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Enchanted ........ you must love urself unconditionaly first ..... and when u do that u will not let another( ur husband) hurt u ........ we can love someone unconditionaly but at the same time let them know they hurt us ////// that is not judging them ...... its being honest with them ....
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To have true unconditional love, you can't show favoritism for good over evil. You have to love evil just as much as good, otherwise you're being conditional. Easier said then done, I know.
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For if there is Judgment, then that means there were Conditions!
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Sorry, but I don't buy this statement at all. I could have a son or a daughter, and if they committed a murder, I could support them going to prison for it and never stop loving them one little bit as much. Especially, if they could be a threat to other loved children. Terms like "unconditional love" are so very indicative of how sloppy modern thinking is.
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unconditional love is an energy, the foundation of our existence, a state of being

this energy loves all things in existence unconditionally. not for a moment does that mean that you have like what someone/something thinks, does and/or says. it is even perfectly acceptable to despise what he/she/it thinks, does and/or says. this has nothing to do with judgement, all humans have a soul (so they are connected to the emotional energy spectrum) and actions/events will always be subject to an objective or subjective interpretation. this interpretation is on the action/event, the unconditional love for the person/thing will remain regardless

judgement is a bad word with loose definitions. unconditional love does not judge the person/thing for what it has done but the mind will either interpret it as negative, positive or neutral. again this has nothing to do with judgement

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For if there is Judgment, then that means there were Conditions!
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe




Sorry, but I don't buy this statement at all. I could have a son or a daughter, and if they committed a murder, I could support them going to prison for it and never stop loving them one little bit as much. Especially, if they could be a threat to other loved children. Terms like "unconditional love" are so very indicative of how sloppy modern thinking is.
 Quoting: Dave 1544389


Can you elaborate?...

The way I see it, being supportive of someone going to prison is not being judgmental.

You could still love a murderer, and because they go to prison and you are ok with them going to prison, that is supposed to prove you don't love them?

Prison is punishment and a form of social and ethical (maybe even moral) remediation.

I need more information to understand what of the statement that you do not buy. =/
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For if there is Judgment, then that means there were Conditions!
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go ahead, deny personal responsibility for your actions. Are the physics of the material universe conditions?

You fail, bitch.
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unconditional love is an energy, the foundation of our existence, a state of being

this energy loves all things in existence unconditionally. not for a moment does that mean that you have like what someone/something thinks, does and/or says. it is even perfectly acceptable to despise what he/she/it thinks, does and/or says. this has nothing to do with judgement, all humans have a soul (so they are connected to the emotional energy spectrum) and actions/events will always be subject to an objective or subjective interpretation. this interpretation is on the action/event, the unconditional love for the person/thing will remain regardless

judgement is a bad word with loose definitions. unconditional love does not judge the person/thing for what it has done but the mind will either interpret it as negative, positive or neutral. again this has nothing to do with judgement
 Quoting: xen

This makes more sense.......must be some Truth in there somewhere.....:)
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To have true unconditional love, you can't show favoritism for good over evil. You have to love evil just as much as good, otherwise you're being conditional. Easier said then done, I know.
 Quoting: torunafter

Kind of like turning the other cheek huh........?
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Thats why I am single.

A life lived without judgment.
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But also without Love......?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


You don't have to be in a romantic/sexual relationship to have love. Unconditional love tends to come from family members..children. Rarely from a significant other.
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For if there is Judgment, then that means there were Conditions!
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go ahead, deny personal responsibility for your actions. Are the physics of the material universe conditions?

You fail, bitch.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1444676

How is seeking to define the nature of God, in any way; denying one's personal responsibility?

Methinks YOU fail!
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Thats why I am single.

A life lived without judgment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1543824

But also without Love......?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


You don't have to be in a romantic/sexual relationship to have love. Unconditional love tends to come from family members..children. Rarely from a significant other.
 Quoting: Debauchery

Exactly: Sex is physical, while Love is spiritual.....





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