Sumarian tablets VS. The Holy Bible

the bible doesnt say the earth is flat you moron , man said it was flat , the bible didnt , there is four corner's on the earth ... we simply read it wrong

LMAO!

Bible CONtradictions - Just a few of many

1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8

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NICE TRY but your "evilbible", "thinking atheist" and best of all and the give away "infidels" links just don't hold water.

Oh, well all contradictions are taken out of your coveted bible.

for later reading

"there is no god"

"only a fool says there is no god"

You just do not care about the truth of what the Bible really says so it is no use arguing about the truth ofd the matter, but there are no contradictions.

101 Cleared Up Bible Contradictions
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claim: The bible also said GOD created the earth and universe 6,000/10,000 years ago...according to dinosaur bones that are 4 million+ years old, GOD is a liar.

Reply: No, the pagan scientists are liars. Their dating techniques have been debunked all over the internet.

The entire fossil record found globally is a result of the global flood.

Fossils are observed forming in months. Were fossils millions of years old as claimed they would have eroded away.
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Entire bone field found in Alaska!

In 1987, while working with scientists from Memorial University (Newfoundland, Canada) on Bylot Island, just east of the northern tip of Baffin Island, a young Inuit (Canadian Eskimo) picked up a bone fragment. It was identified within days as part of the lower jaw of a duckbill dinosaur and proclaimed to the world as such.1

The story was different however in north-western Alaska. In 1961 a petroleum geologist discovered a large, half-metre-thick bone bed. As the bones were fresh, not permineralized, he assumed that these were recent bison bones. It took 20 years for scientists to recognize duckbill dinosaur bones in this deposit as well as the bones of horned dinosaurs, and large and small carnivorous dinosaurs. Presently William A. Clemens and other scientists from the University of California at Berkeley and the University of Alaska are quarrying the bone bed.2

How these bones could have remained in fresh condition for 70 million years is a perplexing question. One thing is certain: they were not preserved by cold. Everyone recognizes that the climate in these regions was much warmer during the time when the dinosaurs lived. In central Alberta abundant plant remains indicate that the climate here was semi-tropical. It is standard geological interpretation that even after the dinosaurs died out, the entire planet was much warmer, perhaps as the result of high levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. Why then did these bones not decay long ago?

Similar perplexing questions can be asked about the ‘frozen forest’ found even further north on Axel Heiberg Island in the Canadian Arctic, less than 1,200 kilometres from the North Pole.

Geologists claim that these forest remains are about 45 million years old. Nevertheless, the wood and leaf debris are astonishingly well preserved. The plant material is not petrified. The logs are still wood which can be sawn and burnt. The leaf debris and cones include some specimens recognizable as dawn redwood.3 This tree does not presently grow even as far south as Alberta, except in conservatories like the Muttart Conservatory in Edmonton and the Palaeoconservatory at the Royal Tyrrell Museum in Druinheller.

The temperate forest, preserved in the Arctic, seems to have been particularly lush, with 50-metre trees with trunk diameters of two metres, crowded only about six metres apart.

These recent developments are certainly food for thought. It is undeniable that fresh dinosaur bones have been found. Items have appeared in the secular literature saying exactly that. It is also evident that preservation in the fresh state for even one million years is highly unlikely.

The obvious conclusion is that these bones were deposited in relatively recent times. This bone bed is stunning evidence that the time of the dinosaurs was not millions of years ago, but perhaps only thousands. It is time geologists recognized the implications of their own data.

References

Accounts of this appeared in the popular press, such as in the Edmonton Journal, October 26, 1987, a few months after the event, and in Saturday Night (a monthly magazine of analysis of current events) in August 1989, Vol.104 No.8, pp.16-19.

An initial announcement was printed in l985 in Geological Society of America abstract programs Vol.17, p.548. Already in press at that time was an article describing the site and the condition of the bones (Kyle L. Davies, ‘Duck-bill Dinosaurs (Hadrosauridae, Ornithischia) from the North Slope of Alaska’, Journal of Paleontology, Vol.61 No.1, pp.198-200.

Time, September 22, 1986, p.64; J.F. Bazinger, ‘Our “tropical” Arctic’, Canadian Geographic, Vol.106, No.6, pp.2837 (1986/7).

Sumer is was founded after the global flood by Noah's grandson. The entire region is named after him.

Sumeria is located in the Land of Kish (Kush or Cush) founded by son of Noah's son Ham. Wikipedia admits the deluge is recorded then other sections censor this information to misdate the entire region.

"Kish was occupied beginning in the Jemdet Nasr period (3100 BC), gaining prominence as one of the pre-eminent powers in the region during the early dynastic period.

The Sumerian king list states that it was the first city to have kings following the deluge, beginning with Jushur."
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"Cush, son of Ham. The Empire of Kush to the south of Egypt is known from at least 1970 BC, but this name has also been associated by some with the Kassites who inhabited the Zagros area of Mesopotamia, the Sumerian city of Kish in the Land of Kish."
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The fact is nothing confirms the Sumer tablets. They are a fictional pagan account of the true biblical record compiled by Moses from tablets or some record handed down from the very time of Adam.(Wiseman Theory)
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Most who quote this Sumer tablet nonsense have no original sources and jumble up translations with Sitchin's fringe interpretation. They have no original source documents for the proper translation and do not even know what it says.
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The same critics use to also claim Babylon never existed: the only record of the empire was in the Bible; Then it was unearthed in Iraq.
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Moses compiled Genesis from ten firsthand witnesses

TOLEDOTH THEORY

In recent years a much better insight into the origin of Genesis has emerged. As ancient Near Eastern libraries have been unearthed and their contents deciphered, many insights into biblical times have been gained. In particular, tablets from before the time of Moses in the area of Mesopotamia (where Abraham hailed from) were noted to frequently contain a colophon – a formula of sorts, at the close of the tablet. This is similar to modern customs of ending a letter with a formula like "Sincerely yours,(Name)".

Often these tablets were family records or king-lists giving the ancestry of a person. The Hebrew term for generations is toledoth. These tablets would contain a colophon describing who had written the tablet or whose history it recorded. Scholars recognized that these colophons were similar in structure to toledoth phrases in Genesis:

1) "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created." (Genesis 2:4)

2) "This is the book of the generations of Adam." (Genesis 5:1)

3) "These are the generations of Noah." (Genesis 6:9)

4) "Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth." (Genesis 10:1)

5) "These are the generations of Shem." (Genesis 11:10)

6) "Now these are the generations of Terah." (Genesis 11:27)

7) "And these are the generations of Isaac, Abraham's son." (Genesis 25:19)

8) "This is the account of Abraham's son Ishmael." (Genesis 25:12)

9) "This is the account of Esau (that is, Edom)." (Genesis 36:1)

10) "These are the generations of Jacob." (Genesis 37:2)

The implication of these colophons in Genesis is that they separate Genesis into distinct source documents each dating from the period of the person named in them. These source documents were handed down from father to son until the time of Moses, when they were edited together to form the book of Genesis under divine inspiration. In almost every case the logical author for each document would be the person named in the colophon itself. The statements immediately following each colophon would be the beginning of the next tablet; for example, Genesis 2:4 reads "When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens…" beginning Adam’s story.
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Let God be true, and every man a liar.


Op paints with broad stokes.


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Although this hypothesis cannot be proven at this time, it seem to afford a reasonable explanation of the similarities and differences between the two documents. The probability that the resemblance is fortuitous is very small in view of the fact that the two lists:

mention the Flood;

refer to the same (adjusted) number of personages;

have totals that are made up of the same number of symbols for ten times the square of the base, the square of the base, and the next lower symbol of the two different numerical systems involved;

and, have their totals correspond to each other numerically.

On the other hand, it is highly unlikely that the biblical account was derived from the Sumerian because:

the Genesis account has more numerical precision and more detailed information;

the ages of the patriarchs are much more reasonable than the extremely long reigns of the kings of the Kings List, the account is much more realistic and true to life;

and, the moral and spiritual qualities are immensely superior. For example, in the Sumerian account of the Flood (as given in the Gilgamesh epic) there is no reason given for the decision of the gods to destroy mankind. There are no allusions at all to a fault committed by man. The Flood appears as a capricious act of the gods rather than a divine punishment. In Genesis, however, God purposes to purge mankind because the thoughts and designs of men were continually evil, and the Earth was full of violence.

Another possible explanation is that, instead of a written document, the Sumerians had an oral tradition referring to the antediluvian account which was used in composing the early part of the Kings List, but that they had available only the general setting of the story, the number of personages involved (interpreted as kings), the rough magnitude of their ages (interpreted as durations of reigns), and the rounded total; originally in a decimal numerical system, but incorrectly assumed to be in a sexagesimal one at a later date. The main problem with this explanation is that there is a detailed numerical correspondence between the two lists that would have been difficult to remember from one generation to the other. On the other hand, the total of the lifetimes (which provides the principal numerical correspondence) has a structure (three sets of six ciphers each in strict decreasing arithmetical order) that would have made remembering that number much easier.

Fallen Angels came down a long time ago to pollute the word to confuse people. The whole goal was to distract people from the real Word which is the OT and you know what... This thread shows they were successful at it. The fallen angels and Satan are nothing but counterfeiters/imposters. Very soon you'll see a fake God on the Holy Mount and you know what? You're going to believe its God but he's not... The reason why you'll believe his lies is because you swayed away from God's Word.

the Sumerians referred to the Anunnaki as Lords, a term which has since become synomimous with God.

what many don't realize is that the Anunnaki (Anu included) worshipped and followed a Divine Creator. The Inexorable Life Force Which Drives This Universe Through Creation To Destruction And Its (Our) Final Destiny.

They even referred to him as "The Creator of All".

let's not get into the philisophical discussion of the nature of God/The Universe....what's been said should suffice.

you do realize, don't you, that the bible was written by men, right?

they dontcreate human they improove it from the prehistoric phase

and dinsausor its not their creation its before that i think they never know it or its another test from another civilisation a long time ago

This translates into 'how dare you try to learn anything. I choose to remain a low brow and so should you.'.

It is mind blowing how brainwashed some religious folks are. I was raised christian and considered myself as such until lately encountering these whacked out, brain dead, totally blind, ignorant bible idiots who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. Now i am embarassed to call myself a christian. True christians don't repeatedly brow beat everyone about some stupid scripture WE HAVE ALREADY READ.

Sumerian scriptures trump the bible every day of the week. The bible is nothing but a hodgepodge of crap taken from sumerian scriptures. The bible has 80,000 KNOWN alterations. Every blood drinker in history has altered the bible. It is basically null and void.

Well according to the koran, the flood was a localized event which makes more sense imo. During that time period there were lots of floods due to the climate.

In my opinion, I can see more sense in being created by beings of another planet (especially if we bare in mind the extensve knowlege of the solar system that the sumarians had, before any other civilisation could even consider it) and then, if you start to look at both a little less literally, you can see major similarities, I think the issue with some christians is the accounts in the biible is the way the people in it have percieved it, looking at it this way on both sides, I think you can find both far more interesting.

also on a personal note from reading this, both parties in this conversation would benefit from actually taking on board each others opinions, rather than instantly trying to debunk everything they say like that's the only thing that matters, it's obvious some of you aren't here for knowledge, only to tell people they're wrong.

what I meant to say was I see more sence in that, than a god in heaven, simply because, I know space exists, I know that in it's infinate reach there are plenty of planets, so it seems more plausable for me, though I'm not saying anyone's wrong.

ALSO, for the record, I'm not christian, neither do I consider myself truly athiest, i'll welcome anything anyone says, it just may take more than that to make me conform to a religeon.

I stop talky now :)

First off please know that before my awakening, I was agnostic, I had read the bible growing up but it did not do for me what Science did for me so I delved deeply into learning science and studying music.

I found my own personal connection with the creator through my own secret journey which had nothing to do with books or religions.

Right before I actually met the Anunnaki I began to be guided and tutored by a secret Military Industrial Complex group and I began to realize that most of what was in the Bible was in my own mind "Watered Down Versions" of stories the Sumarian Clay Tablets had recorded.

So when I met this Anunnaki leader for real in the flesh, he was talking to me about the King James version of the Bible and I asked him, Why even read it? why not just go back to the source and read the Sumarian writings?

He said "Oh No!" he went on to say that the King James version was of Divine Inspiration and if you were sensitive to such things, you could actually see that a person will "Glow" when reading it in the proper state of mind.

He went on to say that the Sumarian writings were kinda condensed into one book and that book WAS being guided into existance by higher forces.

I thought that was interesting to hear from an actual Anunnaki, I still have not read it.

Thought I would share.

I did not know it was some sort of big secret that Genesis in the bible is directly connected to the Sumerian creation myth . Where do you think the father of the Jewish people and subsequent faith came from ? Yes that is right Abraham came from Ur a city state of Sumeria.
I am not religious or christian but am well versed in most mythologies, one point I find amusing is that most Christians believe the serpent in the garden story to be Satan, when it most certainly represents Enki ( Enki was represented by the serpent)Enki being the Sumerian Prometheus was not at all ill-thought-of. Quite the contrary, it was Enki who warned Ziusudra( the Sumerian Noah) about the flood and gave him instructions on how to build his vessel( was more like a cigar shaped submarine actually).
Imo the early Gnostic's got closer to the original beliefs before being wiped out by the early Roman church. As they believed one god ( the one who ruled the old-testament was actual more of a selfish-bad God . Where the lesser god who most people now view as the Devil was actually here to help poeple . The devil being Enki( whom according to these tales actually gave humans there soul, and The chief Elohim being Enlil his older brother. All of these tales basically date back to this contest. People who read the bible and do not realize it is all regurgitated and previously used symbolism are most likely not even aware of the stories origins in the first place . Then again they most likely believe it to be the direct word of God as well, and not a massive editing job spanning centuries. Most of the earliest Gospels were stricken from the bible as heresy, and the ones kept have all been edited . The bible imo is a big joke .

agreed!

I'm about to finish page 9 and that was a lot

So the braindead sheeple won't be pained to ever THINK for themselves...

NO.

Perfectly typical Kristjan mind set though, if using the word MIND fits, since they tend to either NOT have one, or simply don;'t ever USE it.

Their Jesus LOVES idiots, it would appears.