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Forget about the 2012 Mayan calendar, comet Elenin or the Rapture. The real threat to human civilization is far more mundane, and it's right in front of our noses. If Fukushima has taught us anything, it's that just one runaway meltdown of fissionable nuclear material can have wide-ranging and potentially devastating consequences for life on Earth. To date, Fukushima has already released 168 times the total radiation released from the Hiroshima nuclear bomb detonated in 1945, and the Fukushima catastrophe is now undeniably the worst nuclear disaster in the history of human civilization.

But what if human civilization faced a far greater threat than a single tsunami destroying a nuclear power facility? What if a global tidal wave could destroy the power generating capacities of all the world's power plants, all at once?

Such a scenario is not merely possible, but factually inevitable. And the global tidal wave threatening all the nuclear power plants of the world isn't made of water but solar emissions.

The sun, you see, is acting up again. NASA recently warned that solar activity is surging, with a peak expected to happen in 2013 that could generate enormous radiation levels that sweep across planet Earth. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has even issued an urgent warning about solar flares due to strike in 2012 and 2013. IBtimes wrote, "With solar activity expected to peak around 2013, the Sun is entering a particularly active time and big flares like the recent one will likely be common during the next few years. ...A major flare in the mid-19th century blocked the nascent telegraph system, and some scientists believe that another such event is now overdue." [link to www.ibtimes.com]

The story goes on to explain:

"Several federal government studies suggest that this extreme solar activity and emissions may result in complete blackouts for years in some areas of the nation. Moreover, there may also be disruption of power supply for years, or even decades, as geomagnetic currents attracted by the storm could debilitate the transformers."

Why does all this matter? To understand that, you have to understand how nuclear power plants function. Or, put another way, how is nuclear material prevented from "going nuclear" every single day across our planet?

Every nuclear power plant operates in a near-meltdown state

All nuclear power plants are operated in a near-meltdown status. They operate at very high heat, relying on nuclear fission to boil water that produces steam to drive the turbines that generate electricity. Critically, the nuclear fuel is prevented from melting down through the steady circulation of coolants which are pushed through the cooling system using very high powered electric pumps.

If you stop the electric pumps, the coolant stops flowing and the fuel rods go critical (and then melt down). This is what happened in Fukushima, where the melted fuel rods dropped through the concrete floor of the containment vessels, unleashing enormous quantities of ionizing radiation into the surrounding environment. The full extent of the Fukushima contamination is not even known yet, as the facility is still emitting radiation.

It's crucial to understand that nuclear coolant pumps are usually driven by power from the electrical grid. They are not normally driven by power generated locally from the nuclear power plant itself. Instead, they're connected to the grid. In other words, even though nuclear power plants are generating megawatts of electricity for the grid, they are also dependant on the grid to run their own coolant pumps. If the grid goes down, the coolant pumps go down, too, which is why they are quickly switched to emergency backup power -- either generators or batteries.

As we learned with Fukushima, the on-site batteries can only drive the coolant pumps for around eight hours. After that, the nuclear facility is dependent on diesel generators (or sometimes propane) to run the pumps that circulate the coolant which prevents the whole site from going Chernobyl. And yet, critically, this depends on something rather obvious: The delivery of diesel fuel to the site. If diesel cannot be delivered, the generators can't be fired up and the coolant can't be circulated. When you grasp the importance of this supply line dependency, you will instantly understand why a single solar flare could unleash a nuclear holocaust across the planet.

When the generators fail and the coolant pumps stop pumping, nuclear fuel rods begin to melt through their containment rods, unleashing ungodly amounts of life-destroying radiation directly into the atmosphere. This is precisely why Japanese engineers worked so hard to reconnect the local power grid to the Fukushima facility after the tidal wave -- they needed to bring power back to the generators to run the pumps that circulate the coolant. This effort failed, of course, which is why Fukushima became such a nuclear disaster and released countless becquerels of radiation into the environment (with no end in sight).

And yet, despite the destruction we've already seen with Fukushima, U.S. nuclear power plants are nowhere near being prepared to handle sustained power grid failures. As IBtimes reports:

"Last month, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission said U.S. plants affected by a blackout should be able to cope without electricity for at least eight hours and should have procedures to keep the reactor and spent-fuel pool cool for 72 hours. Nuclear plants depend on standby batteries and backup diesel generators. Most standby power systems would continue to function after a severe solar storm, but supplying the standby power systems with adequate fuel, when the main power grids are offline for years, could become a very critical problem. If the spent fuel rod pools at the country's 104 nuclear power plants lose their connection to the power grid, the current regulations aren't sufficient to guarantee those pools won't boil over -- exposing the hot, zirconium-clad rods and sparking fires that would release deadly radiation." [link to www.ibtimes.com]

Now, what does all this have to do with solar flares?


Learn more: [link to www.naturalnews.com]
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cool story, bro
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thats the real ELE
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Some serious solar doom op.
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hmmm...
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hmmm...
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Good Find AC.

Even if the Knowing scenario doesn't eventuate they may have shut down parts of the grid to prevent damage so get ready for rolling blackouts, shortages in food and fuel.

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are we over nuclear energy yet? Seriously the worlds most dangerous kettle.. all it produces is steam for crying out loud.. what is wrong with humanity???
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Thread: Russian Federation Warnings: New information of solar activity

"The information I have been given is the following:

1. The sun has reached "unprecedented levels of activity"- in intensity and frequency
2. This activities will continue to increase, they will achieve massive damages on modern countries and unknown effects to our planet itself
3. Of major scientists (at least a few open minded ones, is giving thought to the Mayan practices of observing cycles which coincided with solar cycles, and no longer dismissing or laughing them!)
4. There is a "solar catastrophe" scenario the government is aware in Russia, there is some exchange of information with Europe and the United States. Information to the public is being blocked, news is being kept secret, no announcements or early warnings will be given when solar effects are expected to hit. One source told me already the solar imaging available to the public is delayed or censored, so the public will have no real knowledge of what is happening, no time to act.
5. The possibility of a "climax"- in intensity and frequency of solar discharges of energy reaching a maximum in late 2011 through until 2013 "CAUSING THE END OF MODERN CIVILISATIONS" IS REAL. This has been spoken at high levels among scientific and government authorities (Roscosmos, ESA and within the United States own establishments according to my sources)."
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In hindsight this may well turn out to be the most important topic ever discussed on GLP!
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We are living in the shadow of nuclear meltdown. Aging reactors + apathy + disaster.

Fuku should scare the shit out of everybody. Imagine the effect that would have here.
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bump

For a sobering reminder...
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Re: Solar flare could unleash nuclear holocaust across planet Earth, forcing hundreds of nuclear power plants into total meltdowns
What puzzles me is in such a event as loss of the grid, why can't the nuclear plants do a controlled shut down?
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IMHO, Your scenario is about the equivalent to... The President of the USA goes nuts and launches nukes on Russia.


While it is a possibility the odds are very much against it.


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What puzzles me is in such a event as loss of the grid, why can't the nuclear plants do a controlled shut down?
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Because as we have learned from Fukishima a full controlled shutdown even with power going to the cooling units takes about two months for the rods to reach a cold state. Without power to the cooling units the rods will meltdown...read the full article...

All it takes is one Carrington type event for this to happen. IMO it is not a question of if but a question of when. I may not be around to see it happen but I think it will eventually happen.
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What puzzles me is in such a event as loss of the grid, why can't the nuclear plants do a controlled shut down?
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A shutdown of a reactor is when the control rods[moderators] are inserted ending the chain reactions. Residual heat[10% of operating]is still generated and it must be continuously cooled. When fuel assemblies are removed for a reload they are so hot that they must be cooled for 5 years or more in the SFP before they can be removed to dry cask storage.

There is a lot more to shutting down a reactor than flipping a switch. Besides, another danger comes from the spent fuel. There are thousands upon thousands of tons of it all over the world which must be constantly cooled. The reactors are encased, primary, secondary containment. The ponds are merely contained by the reactor buildings.



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What puzzles me is in such a event as loss of the grid, why can't the nuclear plants do a controlled shut down?
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the entire electrical grid could be upgraded to be immune to solar flares.

would be expensive though.
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Are there paultards posting in this thread?
Because he's been pushing for more nuclear power plants for decades and sneering at skeptics.
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The obvious solution that jumps out to me is why not rewire the cooling systems to run off the nuclear plant's own electricity instead of the local power grid?
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The obvious solution that jumps out to me is why not rewire the cooling systems to run off the nuclear plant's own electricity instead of the local power grid?
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Power is needed to run cooling and monitoring systems when the reactor is shutdown. The cooling system circulation pumps need electricity and must run constantly to prevent core heating and boiling/evaporation of water in the SFPs.

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What puzzles me is in such a event as loss of the grid, why can't the nuclear plants do a controlled shut down?
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Because as we have learned from Fukishima a full controlled shutdown even with power going to the cooling units takes about two months for the rods to reach a cold state. Without power to the cooling units the rods will meltdown...read the full article...

All it takes is one Carrington type event for this to happen. IMO it is not a question of if but a question of when. I may not be around to see it happen but I think it will eventually happen.
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You are forgetting about the old rods they have stored that need to be constantly cooled or they start a new reaction..

Once the grid goes down....every nuke plant in the black out, if it lasts for months will China Syndrome. There will be no stopping it. Fukushima is your proof. The nuke plant that keeps on giving..forever.
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The obvious solution that jumps out to me is why not rewire the cooling systems to run off the nuclear plant's own electricity instead of the local power grid?
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Power is needed to run cooling and monitoring systems when the reactor is shutdown. The cooling system circulation pumps need electricity and must run constantly to prevent core heating and boiling/evaporation of water in the SFPs.

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What I mean is with the cooling system running off the nuclear plant's own electricity, there would be no need to shut it down and no danger of meltdown right?
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The obvious solution that jumps out to me is why not rewire the cooling systems to run off the nuclear plant's own electricity instead of the local power grid?
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Power is needed to run cooling and monitoring systems when the reactor is shutdown. The cooling system circulation pumps need electricity and must run constantly to prevent core heating and boiling/evaporation of water in the SFPs.

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What I mean is with the cooling system running off the nuclear plant's own electricity, there would be no need to shut it down and no danger of meltdown right?
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The systems have failsafe tech that scrams the reactor if there is some kind of anomaly. An EQ of sufficient intensity will trigger an automatic scram. This happened at Fuku. They also have to shut down periodically for maintenance and refueling.

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The obvious solution that jumps out to me is why not rewire the cooling systems to run off the nuclear plant's own electricity instead of the local power grid?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12303246


Power is needed to run cooling and monitoring systems when the reactor is shutdown. The cooling system circulation pumps need electricity and must run constantly to prevent core heating and boiling/evaporation of water in the SFPs.

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What I mean is with the cooling system running off the nuclear plant's own electricity, there would be no need to shut it down and no danger of meltdown right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12303246


The systems have failsafe tech that scrams the reactor if there is some kind of anomaly. An EQ of sufficient intensity will trigger an automatic scram. This happened at Fuku. They also have to shut down periodically for maintenance and refueling.

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Sure Fukushima scramed...

But the old rods stored in the open water tanks couldn't be cooled and they went critical.

If you think you are going to be safe from the same thing happening here you are nuts.

Every nuke plant will china syndrome in time without electricity.

Fail safe shmailsafe....
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I think the point was make the reactor able to supply a small load off its own generating system to keep the pumps running until grid power can be restored. Even in shutdown they could run a small generating system of some sort off the residual heat.

What puzzles me is in such a event as loss of the grid, why can't the nuclear plants do a controlled shut down?
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Because as we have learned from Fukishima a full controlled shutdown even with power going to the cooling units takes about two months for the rods to reach a cold state. Without power to the cooling units the rods will meltdown...read the full article...

All it takes is one Carrington type event for this to happen. IMO it is not a question of if but a question of when. I may not be around to see it happen but I think it will eventually happen.
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You are forgetting about the old rods they have stored that need to be constantly cooled or they start a new reaction..

Once the grid goes down....every nuke plant in the black out, if it lasts for months will China Syndrome. There will be no stopping it. Fukushima is your proof. The nuke plant that keeps on giving..forever.
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Chernobyl and Fuku have shown that 'failsafes' don't neccesarily fail safely. In the case a Fuku, floodwater created a scenario where the failsafes failed.

Natural disasters are both unpredictable, and immensely powerful, this represents a huge engineering problem when using atomic energy to generate electricity, especially when a natural disaster may take the form of a new and unexpected phenomena.

The aftermath of fossil fuel disasters can be contained, smoke and fire are hazardous for those in the locale, but radiation, particularly alpha and gamma are globally dangerous, and can kill at a distance of several thousand miles.

Pre Fuku, I supported nuke electricity generation as being 'clean', now, having seen the effect of a meltdown in a 1st world country with 'competent' engineers, I am somewhat more cynical.

3 mile Island was contained, Chernobyl and Fuku were not, failsafes 1, disasters 2. not a good record.....





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