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User ID: 1516503 Australia 09/13/2011 05:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Solar flare could unleash nuclear holocaust across planet Earth, forcing hundreds of nuclear power plants into total meltdowns Good Find AC. Even if the Knowing scenario doesn't eventuate they may have shut down parts of the grid to prevent damage so get ready for rolling blackouts, shortages in food and fuel. Iam Alpha and Omega |
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User ID: 1549325 Australia 09/14/2011 05:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Solar flare could unleash nuclear holocaust across planet Earth, forcing hundreds of nuclear power plants into total meltdowns are we over nuclear energy yet? Seriously the worlds most dangerous kettle.. all it produces is steam for crying out loud.. what is wrong with humanity??? Time for a new reality [link to www.thevenusproject.com] Get A Kit, Make A Plan, Be Prepared. Zombie Apocalypses Do Happen! "whoever forgets his history is condemned to repeat it" “The Sun of Light shines in the Heart as Love.” The Truth of Life descends from the world of Eternal Light {the sun} to illuminate the minds, regenerate the hearts, raise and renew the souls of all the sons of Truth destined to constitute the nucleus of the new humanity - Peter Deunov "Knowledge is the Great Endowment of the Creator that lives within you and allows you to experience & express humanity’s One Spirituality, beyond all divisions of race, culture, nation & religion. Knowledge alone has the power both to guide and protect the individual and to unite and enable humanity to chart a new way forward" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1492657 United States 09/14/2011 05:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Solar flare could unleash nuclear holocaust across planet Earth, forcing hundreds of nuclear power plants into total meltdowns Thread: Russian Federation Warnings: New information of solar activity "The information I have been given is the following: 1. The sun has reached "unprecedented levels of activity"- in intensity and frequency 2. This activities will continue to increase, they will achieve massive damages on modern countries and unknown effects to our planet itself 3. Of major scientists (at least a few open minded ones, is giving thought to the Mayan practices of observing cycles which coincided with solar cycles, and no longer dismissing or laughing them!) 4. There is a "solar catastrophe" scenario the government is aware in Russia, there is some exchange of information with Europe and the United States. Information to the public is being blocked, news is being kept secret, no announcements or early warnings will be given when solar effects are expected to hit. One source told me already the solar imaging available to the public is delayed or censored, so the public will have no real knowledge of what is happening, no time to act. 5. The possibility of a "climax"- in intensity and frequency of solar discharges of energy reaching a maximum in late 2011 through until 2013 "CAUSING THE END OF MODERN CIVILISATIONS" IS REAL. This has been spoken at high levels among scientific and government authorities (Roscosmos, ESA and within the United States own establishments according to my sources)." |
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User ID: 1295673 United States 09/14/2011 06:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Solar flare could unleash nuclear holocaust across planet Earth, forcing hundreds of nuclear power plants into total meltdowns We are living in the shadow of nuclear meltdown. Aging reactors + apathy + disaster. Fuku should scare the shit out of everybody. Imagine the effect that would have here. |
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mikebo2
User ID: 4907712 United States 03/10/2012 10:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Solar flare could unleash nuclear holocaust across planet Earth, forcing hundreds of nuclear power plants into total meltdowns IMHO, Your scenario is about the equivalent to... The President of the USA goes nuts and launches nukes on Russia. While it is a possibility the odds are very much against it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1292527 United States 03/10/2012 11:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Solar flare could unleash nuclear holocaust across planet Earth, forcing hundreds of nuclear power plants into total meltdowns What puzzles me is in such a event as loss of the grid, why can't the nuclear plants do a controlled shut down? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12303246 Because as we have learned from Fukishima a full controlled shutdown even with power going to the cooling units takes about two months for the rods to reach a cold state. Without power to the cooling units the rods will meltdown...read the full article... All it takes is one Carrington type event for this to happen. IMO it is not a question of if but a question of when. I may not be around to see it happen but I think it will eventually happen. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1295673 United States 03/10/2012 11:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Solar flare could unleash nuclear holocaust across planet Earth, forcing hundreds of nuclear power plants into total meltdowns What puzzles me is in such a event as loss of the grid, why can't the nuclear plants do a controlled shut down? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12303246 A shutdown of a reactor is when the control rods[moderators] are inserted ending the chain reactions. Residual heat[10% of operating]is still generated and it must be continuously cooled. When fuel assemblies are removed for a reload they are so hot that they must be cooled for 5 years or more in the SFP before they can be removed to dry cask storage. There is a lot more to shutting down a reactor than flipping a switch. Besides, another danger comes from the spent fuel. There are thousands upon thousands of tons of it all over the world which must be constantly cooled. The reactors are encased, primary, secondary containment. The ponds are merely contained by the reactor buildings. ~ b |
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User ID: 11923866 United States 03/10/2012 11:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Solar flare could unleash nuclear holocaust across planet Earth, forcing hundreds of nuclear power plants into total meltdowns This needs to be pinned. Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid, it is true that most stupid people are conservative. John Stuart Mill ************ It's much harder to be a liberal than a conservative. Why? Because it is easier to give someone the finger than a helping hand. Mike Royko |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12295119 Australia 03/10/2012 11:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Solar flare could unleash nuclear holocaust across planet Earth, forcing hundreds of nuclear power plants into total meltdowns What puzzles me is in such a event as loss of the grid, why can't the nuclear plants do a controlled shut down? [/quot the entire electrical grid could be upgraded to be immune to solar flares. would be expensive though. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1295673 United States 03/11/2012 12:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Solar flare could unleash nuclear holocaust across planet Earth, forcing hundreds of nuclear power plants into total meltdowns The obvious solution that jumps out to me is why not rewire the cooling systems to run off the nuclear plant's own electricity instead of the local power grid? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12303246 Power is needed to run cooling and monitoring systems when the reactor is shutdown. The cooling system circulation pumps need electricity and must run constantly to prevent core heating and boiling/evaporation of water in the SFPs. ~ bug |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1211208 United States 03/11/2012 12:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Solar flare could unleash nuclear holocaust across planet Earth, forcing hundreds of nuclear power plants into total meltdowns What puzzles me is in such a event as loss of the grid, why can't the nuclear plants do a controlled shut down? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12303246 Because as we have learned from Fukishima a full controlled shutdown even with power going to the cooling units takes about two months for the rods to reach a cold state. Without power to the cooling units the rods will meltdown...read the full article... All it takes is one Carrington type event for this to happen. IMO it is not a question of if but a question of when. I may not be around to see it happen but I think it will eventually happen. You are forgetting about the old rods they have stored that need to be constantly cooled or they start a new reaction.. Once the grid goes down....every nuke plant in the black out, if it lasts for months will China Syndrome. There will be no stopping it. Fukushima is your proof. The nuke plant that keeps on giving..forever. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12303246 United States 03/11/2012 12:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Solar flare could unleash nuclear holocaust across planet Earth, forcing hundreds of nuclear power plants into total meltdowns The obvious solution that jumps out to me is why not rewire the cooling systems to run off the nuclear plant's own electricity instead of the local power grid? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12303246 Power is needed to run cooling and monitoring systems when the reactor is shutdown. The cooling system circulation pumps need electricity and must run constantly to prevent core heating and boiling/evaporation of water in the SFPs. ~ bug What I mean is with the cooling system running off the nuclear plant's own electricity, there would be no need to shut it down and no danger of meltdown right? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1295673 United States 03/11/2012 01:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Solar flare could unleash nuclear holocaust across planet Earth, forcing hundreds of nuclear power plants into total meltdowns The obvious solution that jumps out to me is why not rewire the cooling systems to run off the nuclear plant's own electricity instead of the local power grid? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12303246 Power is needed to run cooling and monitoring systems when the reactor is shutdown. The cooling system circulation pumps need electricity and must run constantly to prevent core heating and boiling/evaporation of water in the SFPs. ~ bug What I mean is with the cooling system running off the nuclear plant's own electricity, there would be no need to shut it down and no danger of meltdown right? The systems have failsafe tech that scrams the reactor if there is some kind of anomaly. An EQ of sufficient intensity will trigger an automatic scram. This happened at Fuku. They also have to shut down periodically for maintenance and refueling. ~ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1211208 United States 03/11/2012 01:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Solar flare could unleash nuclear holocaust across planet Earth, forcing hundreds of nuclear power plants into total meltdowns The obvious solution that jumps out to me is why not rewire the cooling systems to run off the nuclear plant's own electricity instead of the local power grid? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12303246 Power is needed to run cooling and monitoring systems when the reactor is shutdown. The cooling system circulation pumps need electricity and must run constantly to prevent core heating and boiling/evaporation of water in the SFPs. ~ bug What I mean is with the cooling system running off the nuclear plant's own electricity, there would be no need to shut it down and no danger of meltdown right? The systems have failsafe tech that scrams the reactor if there is some kind of anomaly. An EQ of sufficient intensity will trigger an automatic scram. This happened at Fuku. They also have to shut down periodically for maintenance and refueling. ~ Sure Fukushima scramed... But the old rods stored in the open water tanks couldn't be cooled and they went critical. If you think you are going to be safe from the same thing happening here you are nuts. Every nuke plant will china syndrome in time without electricity. Fail safe shmailsafe.... |
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User ID: 12290716 United States 03/11/2012 01:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Solar flare could unleash nuclear holocaust across planet Earth, forcing hundreds of nuclear power plants into total meltdowns I think the point was make the reactor able to supply a small load off its own generating system to keep the pumps running until grid power can be restored. Even in shutdown they could run a small generating system of some sort off the residual heat. What puzzles me is in such a event as loss of the grid, why can't the nuclear plants do a controlled shut down? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12303246 Because as we have learned from Fukishima a full controlled shutdown even with power going to the cooling units takes about two months for the rods to reach a cold state. Without power to the cooling units the rods will meltdown...read the full article... All it takes is one Carrington type event for this to happen. IMO it is not a question of if but a question of when. I may not be around to see it happen but I think it will eventually happen. You are forgetting about the old rods they have stored that need to be constantly cooled or they start a new reaction.. Once the grid goes down....every nuke plant in the black out, if it lasts for months will China Syndrome. There will be no stopping it. Fukushima is your proof. The nuke plant that keeps on giving..forever. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11663323 Israel 03/11/2012 03:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Solar flare could unleash nuclear holocaust across planet Earth, forcing hundreds of nuclear power plants into total meltdowns Chernobyl and Fuku have shown that 'failsafes' don't neccesarily fail safely. In the case a Fuku, floodwater created a scenario where the failsafes failed. Natural disasters are both unpredictable, and immensely powerful, this represents a huge engineering problem when using atomic energy to generate electricity, especially when a natural disaster may take the form of a new and unexpected phenomena. The aftermath of fossil fuel disasters can be contained, smoke and fire are hazardous for those in the locale, but radiation, particularly alpha and gamma are globally dangerous, and can kill at a distance of several thousand miles. Pre Fuku, I supported nuke electricity generation as being 'clean', now, having seen the effect of a meltdown in a 1st world country with 'competent' engineers, I am somewhat more cynical. 3 mile Island was contained, Chernobyl and Fuku were not, failsafes 1, disasters 2. not a good record..... |