Banking - the Greatest Scam on Earth (Great concise presentation, must watch and share!) | |
Koelbren
(OP) User ID: 1550811 Spain 09/17/2011 08:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I can't wait till Ron Paul becomes President, he'll get rid of all this shit and I can move to America Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1425269 LOL! No poster boy of the NWO will change a damn thing within the political spectrum. Yeah right, a poster boy for the NWO ignored by the NWO MSM media. You're smart. The elites are smarter than you think, and obviously smarter than you. Look shill, take your obscure paranoia somewhere else, the facts attest that your argument is INVALID. Last Edited by Koelbren on 09/17/2011 08:57 AM This is the fate of man. He must strive for that which he cannot attain. He must believe in that which he cannot prove. He must seek that which he cannot find. He must travel a road without knowing his destination. Only thus can the purpose of life be fulfilled. For I tell you, God will not do things you are too apathetic to do for yourselves. |
Koelbren
(OP) User ID: 1550811 Spain 09/17/2011 08:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bill Still videos and website links on page 37: Quoting: Levi Philos Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments (Page 37) The discussion on mutual credit banking was first proposed by Proudhon of France at the same time as Karl Marx was around. Discussion of mutual credit options and writings by various authors begins on page 2 Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments (Page 2) A announcement about the Ron Paul proposal for competition in money systems (first proposed by Hayek in the 50s) was on page 38; but for your convenience; Here: [link to www.lewrockwell.com] That Lew Rockwell blog is worth monitoring. This is the fate of man. He must strive for that which he cannot attain. He must believe in that which he cannot prove. He must seek that which he cannot find. He must travel a road without knowing his destination. Only thus can the purpose of life be fulfilled. For I tell you, God will not do things you are too apathetic to do for yourselves. |
Levi Philos
User ID: 590644 United States 09/17/2011 09:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What's wrong with creating money out of nothing and suck the life-force out of hard working people? (sarcasm) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1553865 It doesn't matter whether your money tokens are printed on clay shards, metal coins, or paper tokens, or if they are electronic entries on a computer. The issue everyone is missing is the proper assignment of seignorage (seigniorage is also a correct spelling). I have attempted to explain this in multiple threads on this site. The search function here recognizes seignorage as a correct spelling, however I was using "seigniorage" to give it the French inflection. To search this site for that spelling, you must use Google's advanced search. One brief attempt is on page 22, but probably is not the best. Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments (Page 22) I'll regain another FYI. . |
McJustice
User ID: 1553896 Australia 09/17/2011 09:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: McJustice LOL! No poster boy of the NWO will change a damn thing within the political spectrum. Yeah right, a poster boy for the NWO ignored by the NWO MSM media. You're smart. The elites are smarter than you think, and obviously smarter than you. Look shill, take your obscure paranoia somewhere else, the facts attest that your argument is INVALID. Well, i guess time will tell what happens. When ignorance reigns, life is lost. surviving until the last time the fifth sun sets. |
Koelbren
(OP) User ID: 1550811 Spain 09/17/2011 09:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What's wrong with creating money out of nothing and suck the life-force out of hard working people? (sarcasm) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1553865 It doesn't matter whether your money tokens are printed on clay shards, metal coins, or paper tokens, or if they are electronic entries on a computer. The issue everyone is missing is the proper assignment of seignorage (seigniorage is also a correct spelling). I have attempted to explain this in multiple threads on this site. The search function here recognizes seignorage as a correct spelling, however I was using "seigniorage" to give it the French inflection. To search this site for that spelling, you must use Google's advanced search. One brief attempt is on page 22, but probably is not the best. Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments (Page 22) I'll regain another FYI. . The issue simply put my friend is that the currency system should be for the sake of the people that work and not for the sake of a few parasitical, scheming bankers who want to monopolize power globally. Money should be printed by the assigned elected government institution and it should be free of any charge except those to cover the cost of printing. No profit for the printing of the people's currency should go to private institutions nor individuals. It's THAT simple. This is the fate of man. He must strive for that which he cannot attain. He must believe in that which he cannot prove. He must seek that which he cannot find. He must travel a road without knowing his destination. Only thus can the purpose of life be fulfilled. For I tell you, God will not do things you are too apathetic to do for yourselves. |
v0rtex666
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Koelbren
(OP) User ID: 1550811 Spain 09/17/2011 09:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Koelbren Yeah right, a poster boy for the NWO ignored by the NWO MSM media. You're smart. The elites are smarter than you think, and obviously smarter than you. Look shill, take your obscure paranoia somewhere else, the facts attest that your argument is INVALID. Well, i guess time will tell what happens. Listen shill, I will explain this to you only once and I don't wanna hear about it again. When the NWO, TPTB however you want to call them, choose their puppet president, it happens just like it happened last election with Obama, the media props the puppet up, they give him MSM air time, big greedy and corrupt corporations finance the puppet and everything goes smooth. With Ron Paul NOTHING of this is happening, so there's no tread of evidence, not even to speculate that RP is a NWO lackey except for lies and slander from shills like you, or the imaginations of paranoid individuals who believe any conspiracy BS they read on the interwebz. Hope I don't have to hear about this anymore in this thread. This is the fate of man. He must strive for that which he cannot attain. He must believe in that which he cannot prove. He must seek that which he cannot find. He must travel a road without knowing his destination. Only thus can the purpose of life be fulfilled. For I tell you, God will not do things you are too apathetic to do for yourselves. |
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McJustice
User ID: 1553896 Australia 09/17/2011 09:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look shill, take your obscure paranoia somewhere else, the facts attest that your argument is INVALID. Well, i guess time will tell what happens. Listen shill, I will explain this to you only once and I don't wanna hear about it again. When the NWO, TPTB however you want to call them, choose their puppet president, it happens just like it happened last election with Obama, the media props the puppet up, they give him MSM air time, big greedy and corrupt corporations finance the puppet and everything goes smooth. With Ron Paul NOTHING of this is happening, so there's no tread of evidence, not even to speculate that RP is a NWO lackey except for lies and slander from shills like you, or the imaginations of paranoid individuals who believe any conspiracy BS they read on the interwebz. Hope I don't have to hear about this anymore in this thread. Well you are going to, you are probably under the idea that there is some sought of "political awakening" that is in the process of occurring. Most people do not understand that very little of any consequence at the national or international is done without the involvement and support of TBTB. Yet through various levels of self-reinforcing ignorance, many people still imagine there are "left wing" and "right wing" social-political differences and that these illusions still hold import or value, Of course, many more have not a clue about any of this. TPTB are losing capacity to keep tricking people into believing in the old shell games of political parties, ideologies and various national interests. People are simply more cynical than ever about the machinations of those aspiring or wielding political or economic power. Ron Paul is merely a 'Plug n play' political figure, just keeping the masses mesmerized. Come at me bro. Last Edited by McJustice on 09/17/2011 09:38 AM When ignorance reigns, life is lost. surviving until the last time the fifth sun sets. |
Levi Philos
User ID: 590644 United States 09/17/2011 09:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Zarlenga is hosting a conference in Chicago at the end of September - the topic is exactly what the OP is in favor of - the Greenbacker solution. Details and speaker schedule: [link to www.old.monetary.org] For those of you who are stuck on gold as money, Merrill Jenkins proposed rolling gold into very thin strips and embedding the strips in a credit card sized plastic matrix. His other proposal was for thin wires embedded in paper. In either model, when usage wear was no longer tolerable, the paper or plastic could be melted or burned and the physical gold reprocessed. This proposal was discussed on pages 36, 24, 25, and page 6: Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments (Page 6) Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments (Page 36) Closely associated was the casino chip model discussed also on pages 25, 36, and 31. Ownership of the banks in a socialistic manner with banking as agency and an annual rebate appears several places. The Mondragon Cooperative model is an excellent study; see page 25 for just one entry. |
Levi Philos
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Levi Philos
User ID: 590644 United States 09/17/2011 09:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mike Montagne has a video series advocating his proposal for what he calls "Mathematically Perfected Economy" (MPE) starting here with number one of a thirteen part series: [link to www.youtube.com] |
Levi Philos
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Drim88
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[noun]tard
User ID: 1553185 United States 09/17/2011 10:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What's wrong with creating money out of nothing and suck the life-force out of hard working people? (sarcasm) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1553865 It doesn't matter whether your money tokens are printed on clay shards, metal coins, or paper tokens, or if they are electronic entries on a computer. The issue everyone is missing is the proper assignment of seignorage (seigniorage is also a correct spelling). I have attempted to explain this in multiple threads on this site. The search function here recognizes seignorage as a correct spelling, however I was using "seigniorage" to give it the French inflection. To search this site for that spelling, you must use Google's advanced search. One brief attempt is on page 22, but probably is not the best. Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments (Page 22) I'll regain another FYI. . The issue simply put my friend is that the currency system should be for the sake of the people that work and not for the sake of a few parasitical, scheming bankers who want to monopolize power globally. Money should be printed by the assigned elected government institution and it should be free of any charge except those to cover the cost of printing. No profit for the printing of the people's currency should go to private institutions nor individuals. It's THAT simple. I agree with this 100% |
Levi Philos
User ID: 590644 United States 09/17/2011 10:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | By default, the federal reserve note is a credit instrument drawn upon the credit of the people. Quoting: Levi Philos 590644 There is no off-setting account generally known to the people nor is there an administrative remedy. Studying law and the Uniform Commercial Code seems also an exercise in futility. Dr. Hummel [link to wfhummel.cnchost.com] touches on the problem on this page: [link to wfhummel.cnchost.com] where he writes this: In other words, government should be viewed as a public trust, rather than the people who work for it. All citizens, including government officials, are tax-payers and consumers of government services. It follows therefore that the seigniorage benefits accrue to the people as a whole and not the government itself. Quoting: HummelThis flaw in proper assignment of the seigniorage is something I have attempted to expose to readers of the GLP forum. [link to www.google.com] Alternate spelling seignorage: [link to www.google.com] |
Levi Philos
User ID: 590644 United States 09/17/2011 10:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Doesn't matter. A centralized system of money creation will always have a bunch of power hungry control freaks at the center. The solutions are of two types, the first is direct exchange of commodity money such as gold and silver traded by weight and purity. The second solution is decentralized mutual credit. This is why I disagree with the Zarlenga "greenbacker" solution. He wants to trust congress... and why would he want to do that? Just another centralized solution and the control freaks are just a different group. The whole of society needs to be reorganized along the lines of a geodesic model - not another hierarchical model. CENTRALIZED MONEY AND CENTRALIZED POWER FORM A SYMBIOTIC PAIR; NEITHER CAN EXIST WITHOUT THE OTHER Decentralized mutual credit with localized control is the answer, but I don't have all the details. Gold and silver, rolled into very thin strips and embedded in credit card plastic stamped with the weight in milligrams is a good interim solution. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1553941 Australia 09/17/2011 10:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | just keep trying till a spot opens up Il give you a 5 and pin req cause everyone should know about this. Thanks bro, and yeah everyone should know about it, those who don't know about it yet NEED to watch this ASAP. And afterwards you can go into this Blaa blaa blaa.. No mention of the VATICAN.. Name Rothschilds and others but not The Vatican Banker Families.. Wake up to where the real power exist.. |
Ilikecandy
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Levi Philos
User ID: 590644 United States 09/17/2011 10:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is a more effective search combining seigniorage with manifesto: [link to www.google.com] A long exposition is found here: Thread: Why your money isn't worth squirt - best explanation I've ever heard You see, the credit of the people was claimed to be the property of the government under Roosevelt in the 30s. This was a taking without recompense and an implementation of the fifth plank of the communist manifesto. The government in turn assigned your credit to the bankers who loan it back to you. However, for the books to balance there must be an offset available... This is the foundation to the movement often referred to as "Redemption of the Strawman." Fiat money must be run with the bankers placed into an agency relationship to the people. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1553996 United States 09/17/2011 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nothing I didn't know already but this is very well presented and a great video to share with your friends who are still asleep about this matter. I am making my first green pin for this as it ties in with the crucial election in 2012. And you know who is the one supporting the end of this criminal system don't you? Banking truly is the greatest scam on Earth! However, Ron Paul isn't going to protect us from bankers, he would castrate our Federal government and fully remove all restrictions on banks which would allow them to pick our States apart and devour them like buzzards do road kill. That's Ron Paul's main shtick, removing all barriers from a complete plutocratic takeover, WITH NO SYSTEM WHATSOEVER TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM THE SONS-OF-BITCHES. Ron Paul is no Abe Lincoln, he's the reincarnation of Jefferson Davis! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1547268 Spain 09/17/2011 10:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | youtube: [link to www.youtube.com] |
Levi Philos
User ID: 590644 United States 09/17/2011 10:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Statism is Slavery; Mike Shankin: [link to www.youtube.com] Definitely a Molyneux tone to that piece. |
xen
User ID: 1344279 Australia 09/17/2011 10:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Blaa blaa blaa.. No mention of the VATICAN.. Name Rothschilds and others but not The Vatican Banker Families.. Wake up to where the real power exist.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1553941 nice one, few people acknowledge this. they get played and blame the puppets... rothchilds, rockefellers, soros, jewish people, bla bla bla the custodians of the countless vatican trillions are the true puppetmasters. their prodigal bastard child the uk crown and its subsidiaries have also served them very well Last Edited by xen on 09/17/2011 11:00 AM |
anonymous coward User ID: 1554007 United States 09/17/2011 11:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The problem starts in 1913 when the federal reserve set up a designed to fail system. I knew this was coming because I was told when I was young. I didn't exactly understand but it was made clear that there was destined to be a big crash. This is what I was told, stay out of debt, pay off your house and your car. I have just managed to get to that point and the crash is going to be awful IMHO. If you can find a small mom and pop bank that isn't playing with the stock market it would be a good time to move your money. |
Conspiruz
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MsStarshipTrooper
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1118312 United States 09/17/2011 11:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Blaa blaa blaa.. No mention of the VATICAN.. Name Rothschilds and others but not The Vatican Banker Families.. Wake up to where the real power exist.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1553941 nice one, few people acknowledge this. they get played and blame the puppets... rothchilds, rockefellers, soros, jewish people, bla bla bla the custodians of the countless vatican trillions are the true puppetmasters. their prodigal bastard child the uk crown and its subsidiaries have also served them very well The bloodlines are far older than the vatican. They took contol of Christianity through the Vatican sure, but this goes back in time far before the time the Vatican was created. They control all formal religions. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1118312 United States 09/17/2011 11:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Blaa blaa blaa.. No mention of the VATICAN.. Name Rothschilds and others but not The Vatican Banker Families.. Wake up to where the real power exist.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1553941 nice one, few people acknowledge this. they get played and blame the puppets... rothchilds, rockefellers, soros, jewish people, bla bla bla the custodians of the countless vatican trillions are the true puppetmasters. their prodigal bastard child the uk crown and its subsidiaries have also served them very well Name the families then. These know who controls the central banks and they are not Christians. |
xen
User ID: 1344279 Australia 09/17/2011 11:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Name the families then. These know who controls the central banks and they are not Christians. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1118312 they are anonymous obviously... and they own the central banks, their wealth is hidden in shell companies and complex trusts bloodlines are more puppet fodder they inherited the wealth from the roman empire... |