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Will the real Jesus please stand up?

 
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The Christ is standing half in the realm of the finites of all spacetime (why it was required to incarnate. To institute a recording structure within spacetime as the Door other finites can recognize), and the other half at the right hand of the Father.

The ultimate sacrifice was not the death that happened in spacetime on the cross, but choosing to NEVER being able to be 100% INSIDE with the FATHER that all of us can now be, using Him as the Door.

That is the infinite sacrifice of self for us finites. The Door. No one gets to be with the Father but through the Christ. This is not religion, it is an Absolute of spacetime and the Infinite.
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the patristic writting would help, provided you are looking at writting 300 years or earlier, from the time Jesus ascended.

the writting of the apostles, then the writtings of those they taught.

the bible itself if examined carefully is the best though, but it is tricky.

you halt to basically forget everything you have learned or been taught, start over with baby steps. lots of prayer and faith you will get answers.
 Quoting: ravenous rant


Oh, how true ^^THIS^^ is. And it is much more difficult to "unlearn" something than it was to learn it in the first place.
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the patristic writting would help, provided you are looking at writting 300 years or earlier, from the time Jesus ascended.

the writting of the apostles, then the writtings of those they taught.

the bible itself if examined carefully is the best though, but it is tricky.

you halt to basically forget everything you have learned or been taught, start over with baby steps. lots of prayer and faith you will get answers.
 Quoting: ravenous rant


Oh, how true ^^THIS^^ is. And it is much more difficult to "unlearn" something than it was to learn it in the first place.
 Quoting: Life and Love


i got lucky really, i wasn't raised in church. or even around "believers"

i started reading the new tesstament (on my own? doubtful, no one goes unto the Lord unless the Father sends them....)

pretty much a clean? slate.

it's rough, and would be helpful to know like minded believers.

i tried twice going to a church, and i dont think im going again.

i hate being someplace and having words rise up from the inside trying to come out and having to suppress them, never to have utterance untill reaching the car and driving down the road.

guess thats why i like this format better. i can write it and people can argue with written words, i dont get side tracked or frustrated getting the torrent of words out.
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I don't know how many of our posts you've read here, so this may make no sense to you, but the location of the church is has become very amusing to me since we started this thread. It's in New Albany, Ohio, which is about a 35 minute drive from where I live.
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It makes sense to some of us.






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the patristic writting would help, provided you are looking at writting 300 years or earlier, from the time Jesus ascended.

the writting of the apostles, then the writtings of those they taught.

the bible itself if examined carefully is the best though, but it is tricky.

you halt to basically forget everything you have learned or been taught, start over with baby steps. lots of prayer and faith you will get answers.
 Quoting: ravenous rant


Oh, how true ^^THIS^^ is. And it is much more difficult to "unlearn" something than it was to learn it in the first place.
 Quoting: Life and Love


i got lucky really, i wasn't raised in church. or even around "believers"

i started reading the new testament (on my own? doubtful, no one goes unto the Lord unless the Father sends them....)

pretty much a clean? slate.

it's rough, and would be helpful to know like minded believers.

i tried twice going to a church, and i dont think im going again.

i hate being someplace and having words rise up from the inside trying to come out and having to suppress them, never to have utterance untill reaching the car and driving down the road.

guess thats why i like this format better. i can write it and people can argue with written words, i dont get side tracked or frustrated getting the torrent of words out.
 Quoting: ravenous rant


I guess I was the opposite. I had to learn to "let go" of what others told me and begin to build up belief on my own. (well, like you said, not really on my own. :) )

I've gone to church; left church... actually felt led by the Spirit into the "wilderness"; and returned to church, again led by the Spirit.

I appreciate your "torrent of words," RR. I don't I'll ever argue over anyone's written words. I've found I learn the most from people who don't think like I do, so why stifle that?

One of the problems with this medium is that there are far too many people convinced that they (and sometimes only they) have the "truth" and that they feel compelled to "teach" it to everyone. And that's not confined to religious topics. You should see the ridiculous things said about EMP, HAARP, etc... I don't even bother replying.
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I was not commending him for giving up his Catholic church, and I knew full well that would not be totally clear to him by my comment!!!
 Quoting: Jenann



It seemed pretty clear at the time:

Re: Today I Denounce My Catholic Faith & Publicly Protest This Corrupted Institution


Wow. I commend you for your decision.
 Quoting: Jenann





 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051



I spent the last hour tracking down your former posts so that I could expose you as a false teacher. The sentence preceding this one is a total fabrication.


 Quoting: Jenann



lol

Opposite day.

It was a recent SpongeBob episode.

Just give everyone a heads-up next time!





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hello daniel,, hope yoou had a good day.....
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If it comes down to your deeply heartfelt concern for me walking down a path that is not good for me, then I will gladly drive out to New Albany with my husband or a intimately close friend, and we can talk about it.

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It seems that you are making enough progress at GLP.







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the patristic writting would help, provided you are looking at writting 300 years or earlier, from the time Jesus ascended.

the writting of the apostles, then the writtings of those they taught.

the bible itself if examined carefully is the best though, but it is tricky.

you halt to basically forget everything you have learned or been taught, start over with baby steps. lots of prayer and faith you will get answers.
 Quoting: ravenous rant


Oh, how true ^^THIS^^ is. And it is much more difficult to "unlearn" something than it was to learn it in the first place.
 Quoting: Life and Love


i got lucky really, i wasn't raised in church. or even around "believers"

i started reading the new testament (on my own? doubtful, no one goes unto the Lord unless the Father sends them....)

pretty much a clean? slate.

it's rough, and would be helpful to know like minded believers.

i tried twice going to a church, and i dont think im going again.

i hate being someplace and having words rise up from the inside trying to come out and having to suppress them, never to have utterance untill reaching the car and driving down the road.

guess thats why i like this format better. i can write it and people can argue with written words, i dont get side tracked or frustrated getting the torrent of words out.
 Quoting: ravenous rant


I guess I was the opposite. I had to learn to "let go" of what others told me and begin to build up belief on my own. (well, like you said, not really on my own. :) )

I've gone to church; left church... actually felt led by the Spirit into the "wilderness"; and returned to church, again led by the Spirit.

I appreciate your "torrent of words," RR. I don't I'll ever argue over anyone's written words. I've found I learn the most from people who don't think like I do, so why stifle that?

One of the problems with this medium is that there are far too many people convinced that they (and sometimes only they) have the "truth" and that they feel compelled to "teach" it to everyone. And that's not confined to religious topics. You should see the ridiculous things said about EMP, HAARP, etc... I don't even bother replying.
 Quoting: Life and Love


oh, i know and the last paragraph is something i worry about me doing.

i am not an "authority" i am however a baby.

and am prone to learning things at any moment.

but i am also opinionated. and when i hear something that wasn't quite what Jesus said, then the torrent of words start to swell up.

one church said that everyone is a child of God. but thhis is not my understanding at all.

the other church proclaimed tongues, but i happened to witness a rehearsal of what is to be said, the meaning of it and even why.

this didn't seem like tongues to me, but a parlor trick.
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hello daniel,, hope yoou had a good day.....
 Quoting: ravenous rant



Yes - thanks.

Traveled all day. (which hopefully explains the different ID #)

Are you scheduled back to work yet?





@)
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but i am also opinionated. and when i hear something that wasn't quite what Jesus said, then the torrent of words start to swell up.

one church said that everyone is a child of God. but thhis is not my understanding at all.

the other church proclaimed tongues, but i happened to witness a rehearsal of what is to be said, the meaning of it and even why.

this didn't seem like tongues to me, but a parlor trick.
 Quoting: ravenous rant


Best thing I've learned over the years is to hold fast to the genuine and authentic and cast away the parlor tricks and staged events.

I've always found that what's truly authentic/genuine will ring true.

Best wishes along your life's journey. hf
We become like that to which we are devoted. - Choose wisely.
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hello daniel,, hope yoou had a good day.....
 Quoting: ravenous rant



Yes - thanks.

Traveled all day. (which hopefully explains the different ID #)

Are you scheduled back to work yet?





@)
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1726876


not yet, my brother called yesterday and said they might put a call in for work next week i guess for monday the 3rd i guess.

which is well just in case this elenin thing has some validity.
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What do you think is more important?

"...prayer, time in the word, loving one another in the body, service, sacrificial giving"

or

Keeping the Commandments as defined by Jesus?





 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051



I can actually think of a few different ways to answer that, and by that I don't mean that there are several different answers. I'm going to have to think of how to best explain what I believe about that and how it might be meaningful in the context of this thread.
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Thanks- but you have already answered.






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but i am also opinionated. and when i hear something that wasn't quite what Jesus said, then the torrent of words start to swell up.

one church said that everyone is a child of God. but thhis is not my understanding at all.

the other church proclaimed tongues, but i happened to witness a rehearsal of what is to be said, the meaning of it and even why.

this didn't seem like tongues to me, but a parlor trick.
 Quoting: ravenous rant


Best thing I've learned over the years is to hold fast to the genuine and authentic and cast away the parlor tricks and staged events.

I've always found that what's truly authentic/genuine will ring true.

Best wishes along your life's journey. hf
 Quoting: Life and Love


i honestly think everyone here on this thread have nothing to worry about. i think every believer on this thread is awake to some degree.

and searching or trying to find out what the great deception will be so they don't get hooked into it.

the journey so far has been really interesting at times but i am afraid the path is fixing to get really rough soon.

we will all need all the best wishes we can get soon......

and blessings.
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which is well just in case this elenin thing has some validity.
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You didn't listen to the 188 day answer that you were given.

When will you start listening?


(lol- Just giving you some 'crap')



:)
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which is well just in case this elenin thing has some validity.
 Quoting: ravenous rant




You didn't listen to the 188 day answer that you were given.

When will you start listening?


(lol- Just giving you some 'crap')



:)
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1726876


actually i did listen, and i know your yanking my cord.

if something catastrophic does happen on the next alignment, then the other alignments are going to be way worse.

i can only hope my brother christians don't get caught up in the lie that will ultimately be employed.

its a false flag attack, directed at your eternal lives.
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jesus is who he said he was.. the son of god, or god himself incarnated.. he was not made of simple flesh like us, but born of a virgin... just a tale, may you say, but if you know the word onipotence you can undestand it.. he is not subject to reasoning, he is above that.. he is just the creator.. the infinite power ...no one else is like him, he is the supreme.. ande better of all, he loves everyone.. even the worst human being... thats why he is hated... and the final victory belongs to him, every single human being will see that.. so.. its better to be in the right side in this war...
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And about Daniel, I love him and he is a true gentleman,
we just don't agree on faith. He's so close to understanding bu stubborn. Me too.


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Thanks Mary. The feelings are mutual.




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jesus is who he said he was.. the son of god, or god himself incarnated.. he was not made of simple flesh like us, but born of a virgin... just a tale, may you say, but if you know the word onipotence you can undestand it.. he is not subject to reasoning, he is above that.. he is just the creator.. the infinite power ...no one else is like him, he is the supreme.. ande better of all, he loves everyone.. even the worst human being... thats why he is hated... and the final victory belongs to him, every single human being will see that.. so.. its better to be in the right side in this war...
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good? good? there is noo one good, no one not even I, except the Father only.

no, he wasn't God.

he was the son of God.

he was born of a virgin.

anything other than what we was given by the apostles is not of God, but of the devil.
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Kia Ora People
Im jus a maori boy from new zealand who wanted to share wit you guys, i been reading your falas posts and its been pretty awesome aye, some good points made and a good topic to be talking about too, i learnt alot off here and i do believe our LORD is with everyone in here, right, now for my sharing :D

You know your LORD and savour is JESUS the Christ well you need not search n e more youve found him
LOVE is our works and it also helps us grow...the more we give out the essence of LOVE the higher we move up in our conscience or vibration or woteva LOVE is a FORCE or POWER not an emotion or feeling
uuuumm only GOD can prove himself, so theres no need to try prove god it will only lead to your own demise
beware of yourself, we were made LIKE unto GODs we werent made INTO gods, so therefore our minds our souls and body are pretty amazing, man has NEVER reached the full potential of what he can TRULY do, bar JESUS.
JESUS is GOD in the flesh better start reading the bible "precept upon precept, line upon line" but hey only god will reveal his truth to the ones appointed, hidden from the wise and the prudent, in order to become wise you must become a fool, so say godbye to all your worldly knowledge and start again with GOD, make sure you eat the good spiritual food we have the bible which i know can contain some pretty yuk ingredients, but hey u know what they say about yuky food, well majority of yukky food n e wayz, its always the good stuff, ahhhh and salvation what manner of man can determine weither your going to heaven or hell?? no man only GOD so set aside the law and replace it with LOVE, at the end of the day GOD has the last say he wears the White wooly hat and holds that hammer thingy the judge holds. Get yourself right with H.I.M
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which is well just in case this elenin thing has some validity.
 Quoting: ravenous rant




You didn't listen to the 188 day answer that you were given.

When will you start listening?


(lol- Just giving you some 'crap')



 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1726876


actually i did listen, and i know your yanking my cord.

if something catastrophic does happen on the next alignment, then the other alignments are going to be way worse.

i can only hope my brother christians don't get caught up in the lie that will ultimately be employed.

its a false flag attack, directed at your eternal lives.
 Quoting: ravenous rant



Don't know if you read the manuscript that you were sent.

But- Hindsight indicates that Japan's earthquake/tsunami should have been predictable:

The manuscript puts a heavy emphasis on 49(7x7) years, 7months, and 7 days.

Which was precisely the timing of the Japan disaster from our current presidents reported date of birth.


THEREFORE (Humble opinion): "Date to dates" (times and half times) seem to be more important than the alignments that we can see.






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the apostles always referred to Jesus as the messiah, christ.

Jesus didn't do his own will, he did the Fathers will.

Jesus did the Fathers will, and when he ascended into heaven, he inherited.

Jesus still doesn't do his own will, he still does the Fathers will.

Jesus will not come for the church till the Father sends him.

Jesus is God because he did the Fathers will. its his inheritance. because he is the son of God and did the will of his Father.

Jesus is God cause he will continue doing his Fathers will.

but only God the Father is good.

because Jesus said so.

my dad is an electrician, when i was born i was just a baby, but he remained an electrician, eventually i grew up and became an apprentice and had to learn to be an electrician but my dad continued being an electrician, eventually i learned how to be an electrician and my dad, although somewhat retired is still an electrician, he still expects me to continue on as an electrician, and do his electrical work :)

but darn it, he is so annoying telling me how to do it!
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Here's something to consider:

When you were in High School, did any of you pray to the Principle that He would come and save you from class? Was your hope that somehow He would deliver you from your lessons......and automatically graduate you into a perfect career?

NO! Cause you knew you had to get your lessons in order to graduate!!!

......And yet, is that not what many of you are doing now, by praying that Jesus pay for your sins, and pull you into His Kingdom? Think about it!!! Ponder it most carefully!!!
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Obe,
Why do you consider Jesus a great teacher, but yet deny that He died for the sin of the world? Do you believe in parts of the Bible, but not all of the Bible?

Just curious :)
 Quoting: Troubled Waters...

Thanks for asking TW, for I know that my ways rub many of you the wrong way: Actually, I used to think as many of you do now......but then I met the Master, and His words to me changed my thinking forever!

He asked me if I wanted people to worship me(Wayne).......I responded "No"!.......and then He asked me; "Then why do you think I(Jesus) would want people to worship me either?"

"But you are God", I proclaimed! "Nonsense!" was His answer back: "You have all tried to turn me into a God.....and see what THAT has gotten you!?! Religious wars, contentions, separation from YOUR Source(The real God), and much more!"

Yes TW, there ARE Truth's to be found within the Scriptures, for your Adversary knew that he couldn't catch flies on flypaper, unless the flypaper was sticky! But there are also SO many lies there as well, that I can't really recommend it as the "Word of God"! :(
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Agree 100% Obe!



There is no doubt about Esu's(Jesus') love of each one of us humans-He suffered Crucifixion because he tried to bring us truth. He is the greatest spiritual leader to grace this planet since Adam came along. I love Jesus with my whole heart!

The simple truth is Jesus came to show us how to save OURSELVES! The whole Christian belief system is based on the say so of one person, Saul or Paul of Tarsus. And that's the cause of the greatest deception of all time. Paul said Jesus was the son of God, and died on the cross for everybody's sins. The original apostles knew otherwise. But because of their weak faith, and Paul's vision on the way to Damascus being such a life changing event, many of the apostles bought into Paul's story by 50AD. The split in beliefs(Jesus God's son, or son of man) continued until the council of Nicaea in 325AD, where the mistake was legitimized due to the heavy handedness of Constantine. Constantine was a politician who knew his power was going away because there were so many different belief systems about Jesus-so he endorsed the belief that would allow him and the church the greatest control over the people.

And now you have modern day Christianity-a belief system that mocks Jesus' own Quote "as you sow, so shall you reap" better known in the higher realms as the law of returns. How is there ever to be balance in the universe if somebody(Jesus) takes responsibilities for your wrong doing? Where's the responsibility for self? Do you not insult God when you say that a creation of His is so evil that another creation of His has to make it right? What about the billions of life forms that have existed millions of years before Jesus, did Jesus come for them too?
You Christians need to pull yourself out of the religious induced stupor Satan has you in, and ask your God within to lead you too real truth. It's always been there. Namaste
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which is well just in case this elenin thing has some validity.
 Quoting: ravenous rant




You didn't listen to the 188 day answer that you were given.

When will you start listening?


(lol- Just giving you some 'crap')



 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1726876


actually i did listen, and i know your yanking my cord.

if something catastrophic does happen on the next alignment, then the other alignments are going to be way worse.

i can only hope my brother christians don't get caught up in the lie that will ultimately be employed.

its a false flag attack, directed at your eternal lives.
 Quoting: ravenous rant



Don't know if you read the manuscript that you were sent.

But- Hindsight indicates that Japan's earthquake/tsunami should have been predictable:

The manuscript puts a heavy emphasis on 49(7x7) years, 7months, and 7 days.

Which was precisely the timing of the Japan disaster from our current presidents reported date of birth.


THEREFORE (Humble opinion): "Date to dates" (times and half times) seem to be more important than the alignments that we can see.






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 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1726876


it's still not time for time,times and half a time.

that will come soon enough but not yet. but the deception will begin and people will think it is that time, or think that time has already passed or even that the scriptures were wrong or misinterpreted

the time of the great disception isn't even here yet, there is a deception before the great deception. and it is that decepttion which will cause everyone to believe the great deception........
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Here's something to consider:

When you were in High School, did any of you pray to the Principle that He would come and save you from class? Was your hope that somehow He would deliver you from your lessons......and automatically graduate you into a perfect career?

NO! Cause you knew you had to get your lessons in order to graduate!!!

......And yet, is that not what many of you are doing now, by praying that Jesus pay for your sins, and pull you into His Kingdom? Think about it!!! Ponder it most carefully!!!
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Obe,
Why do you consider Jesus a great teacher, but yet deny that He died for the sin of the world? Do you believe in parts of the Bible, but not all of the Bible?

Just curious :)
 Quoting: Troubled Waters...

Thanks for asking TW, for I know that my ways rub many of you the wrong way: Actually, I used to think as many of you do now......but then I met the Master, and His words to me changed my thinking forever!

He asked me if I wanted people to worship me(Wayne).......I responded "No"!.......and then He asked me; "Then why do you think I(Jesus) would want people to worship me either?"

"But you are God", I proclaimed! "Nonsense!" was His answer back: "You have all tried to turn me into a God.....and see what THAT has gotten you!?! Religious wars, contentions, separation from YOUR Source(The real God), and much more!"

Yes TW, there ARE Truth's to be found within the Scriptures, for your Adversary knew that he couldn't catch flies on flypaper, unless the flypaper was sticky! But there are also SO many lies there as well, that I can't really recommend it as the "Word of God"! :(
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Agree 100% Obe!



There is no doubt about Esu's(Jesus') love of each one of us humans-He suffered Crucifixion because he tried to bring us truth. He is the greatest spiritual leader to grace this planet since Adam came along. I love Jesus with my whole heart!

The simple truth is Jesus came to show us how to save OURSELVES! The whole Christian belief system is based on the say so of one person, Saul or Paul of Tarsus. And that's the cause of the greatest deception of all time. Paul said Jesus was the son of God, and died on the cross for everybody's sins. The original apostles knew otherwise. But because of their weak faith, and Paul's vision on the way to Damascus being such a life changing event, many of the apostles bought into Paul's story by 50AD. The split in beliefs(Jesus God's son, or son of man) continued until the council of Nicaea in 325AD, where the mistake was legitimized due to the heavy handedness of Constantine. Constantine was a politician who knew his power was going away because there were so many different belief systems about Jesus-so he endorsed the belief that would allow him and the church the greatest control over the people.

And now you have modern day Christianity-a belief system that mocks Jesus' own Quote "as you sow, so shall you reap" better known in the higher realms as the law of returns. How is there ever to be balance in the universe if somebody(Jesus) takes responsibilities for your wrong doing? Where's the responsibility for self? Do you not insult God when you say that a creation of His is so evil that another creation of His has to make it right? What about the billions of life forms that have existed millions of years before Jesus, did Jesus come for them too?
You Christians need to pull yourself out of the religious induced stupor Satan has you in, and ask your God within to lead you too real truth. It's always been there. Namaste
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and what of melchezedek?

have you ever actually compared him with Jesus?
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Obe,
Why do you consider Jesus a great teacher, but yet deny that He died for the sin of the world? Do you believe in parts of the Bible, but not all of the Bible?

Just curious :)
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Thanks for asking TW, for I know that my ways rub many of you the wrong way: Actually, I used to think as many of you do now......but then I met the Master, and His words to me changed my thinking forever!

He asked me if I wanted people to worship me(Wayne).......I responded "No"!.......and then He asked me; "Then why do you think I(Jesus) would want people to worship me either?"

"But you are God", I proclaimed! "Nonsense!" was His answer back: "You have all tried to turn me into a God.....and see what THAT has gotten you!?! Religious wars, contentions, separation from YOUR Source(The real God), and much more!"

Yes TW, there ARE Truth's to be found within the Scriptures, for your Adversary knew that he couldn't catch flies on flypaper, unless the flypaper was sticky! But there are also SO many lies there as well, that I can't really recommend it as the "Word of God"! :(
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Agree 100% Obe!



There is no doubt about Esu's(Jesus') love of each one of us humans-He suffered Crucifixion because he tried to bring us truth. He is the greatest spiritual leader to grace this planet since Adam came along. I love Jesus with my whole heart!

The simple truth is Jesus came to show us how to save OURSELVES! The whole Christian belief system is based on the say so of one person, Saul or Paul of Tarsus. And that's the cause of the greatest deception of all time. Paul said Jesus was the son of God, and died on the cross for everybody's sins. The original apostles knew otherwise. But because of their weak faith, and Paul's vision on the way to Damascus being such a life changing event, many of the apostles bought into Paul's story by 50AD. The split in beliefs(Jesus God's son, or son of man) continued until the council of Nicaea in 325AD, where the mistake was legitimized due to the heavy handedness of Constantine. Constantine was a politician who knew his power was going away because there were so many different belief systems about Jesus-so he endorsed the belief that would allow him and the church the greatest control over the people.

And now you have modern day Christianity-a belief system that mocks Jesus' own Quote "as you sow, so shall you reap" better known in the higher realms as the law of returns. How is there ever to be balance in the universe if somebody(Jesus) takes responsibilities for your wrong doing? Where's the responsibility for self? Do you not insult God when you say that a creation of His is so evil that another creation of His has to make it right? What about the billions of life forms that have existed millions of years before Jesus, did Jesus come for them too?
You Christians need to pull yourself out of the religious induced stupor Satan has you in, and ask your God within to lead you too real truth. It's always been there. Namaste
 Quoting: ATONTRUTH


and what of melchezedek?

have you ever actually compared him with Jesus?
 Quoting: ravenous rant


Melchizedek or Malki Tzedek (from Hebrew &#1502;&#1463;&#1500;&#1456;&#1499;&#1460;&#1468;&#1497;&#147​0;&#1510;&#1462;&#1491;&#1462;&#1511; mal&#7733;-i &#7779;édeq) translated as "my king (is) righteous(ness)") is a priest mentioned during the Abram narrative in the 14th chapter of the Book of Genesis.

There isn't much information as to who he was although he did exist. He was thought to be an priest "of the most high God". Afraid he can't hold a candle to the life of Jesus.
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Thanks for asking TW, for I know that my ways rub many of you the wrong way: Actually, I used to think as many of you do now......but then I met the Master, and His words to me changed my thinking forever!

He asked me if I wanted people to worship me(Wayne).......I responded "No"!.......and then He asked me; "Then why do you think I(Jesus) would want people to worship me either?"

"But you are God", I proclaimed! "Nonsense!" was His answer back: "You have all tried to turn me into a God.....and see what THAT has gotten you!?! Religious wars, contentions, separation from YOUR Source(The real God), and much more!"

Yes TW, there ARE Truth's to be found within the Scriptures, for your Adversary knew that he couldn't catch flies on flypaper, unless the flypaper was sticky! But there are also SO many lies there as well, that I can't really recommend it as the "Word of God"! :(
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Agree 100% Obe!



There is no doubt about Esu's(Jesus') love of each one of us humans-He suffered Crucifixion because he tried to bring us truth. He is the greatest spiritual leader to grace this planet since Adam came along. I love Jesus with my whole heart!

The simple truth is Jesus came to show us how to save OURSELVES! The whole Christian belief system is based on the say so of one person, Saul or Paul of Tarsus. And that's the cause of the greatest deception of all time. Paul said Jesus was the son of God, and died on the cross for everybody's sins. The original apostles knew otherwise. But because of their weak faith, and Paul's vision on the way to Damascus being such a life changing event, many of the apostles bought into Paul's story by 50AD. The split in beliefs(Jesus God's son, or son of man) continued until the council of Nicaea in 325AD, where the mistake was legitimized due to the heavy handedness of Constantine. Constantine was a politician who knew his power was going away because there were so many different belief systems about Jesus-so he endorsed the belief that would allow him and the church the greatest control over the people.

And now you have modern day Christianity-a belief system that mocks Jesus' own Quote "as you sow, so shall you reap" better known in the higher realms as the law of returns. How is there ever to be balance in the universe if somebody(Jesus) takes responsibilities for your wrong doing? Where's the responsibility for self? Do you not insult God when you say that a creation of His is so evil that another creation of His has to make it right? What about the billions of life forms that have existed millions of years before Jesus, did Jesus come for them too?
You Christians need to pull yourself out of the religious induced stupor Satan has you in, and ask your God within to lead you too real truth. It's always been there. Namaste
 Quoting: ATONTRUTH


and what of melchezedek?

have you ever actually compared him with Jesus?
 Quoting: ravenous rant


Melchizedek or Malki Tzedek (from Hebrew &#1502;&#1463;&#1500;&#1456;&#1499;&#1460;&#1468;&#1497;&#147​0;&#1510;&#1462;&#1491;&#1462;&#1511; mal&#7733;-i &#7779;édeq) translated as "my king (is) righteous(ness)") is a priest mentioned during the Abram narrative in the 14th chapter of the Book of Genesis.

There isn't much information as to who he was although he did exist. He was thought to be an priest "of the most high God". Afraid he can't hold a candle to the life of Jesus.
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are you sure?

he was the king of Salem, peace.

he had no family.

he came to minister to abrahams men with bread and wine.

theres no mention of what ever happened to him.

abraham tithed to him a tenth.

his kingdom was in present day jerusalem, the apple of God's eye.

Jesus is a priest, of the order of melchezedek.

theres more to melchezedek than many apparently want to see.........
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You didn't listen to the 188 day answer that you were given.

When will you start listening?


(lol- Just giving you some 'crap')



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actually i did listen, and i know your yanking my cord.

if something catastrophic does happen on the next alignment, then the other alignments are going to be way worse.

i can only hope my brother christians don't get caught up in the lie that will ultimately be employed.

its a false flag attack, directed at your eternal lives.
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Don't know if you read the manuscript that you were sent.

But- Hindsight indicates that Japan's earthquake/tsunami should have been predictable:

The manuscript puts a heavy emphasis on 49(7x7) years, 7months, and 7 days.

Which was precisely the timing of the Japan disaster from our current presidents reported date of birth.


THEREFORE (Humble opinion): "Date to dates" (times and half times) seem to be more important than the alignments that we can see.






 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1726876


it's still not time for time,times and half a time.


 Quoting: ravenous rant




Then we disagree ....again.


Humble opinion:


You can't get to a half time until you go through a time (or two).










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you and i will always disagree daniel......

but in order for the anti-christ to appear to be the savior, then he also must meet certain criteria as well, for one he needs a babylon, it appears washington fills that void nicely, it also means he will need a anti-chist of his own to save the world from, enter the image of the beast.

you are told there is a great deception, so strong, that even the very elect would believe if possible.

but peter told you that rome was babylon..........
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enter the image of the beast.



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that they should make an image to the beast....(Rev 13)



They have made their image.







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