Will the real Jesus please stand up?

Non subjective "dreams" where i'm not following any subcon impulse but watching things unfold.

And I've had the same vision of these island rising, oh about 6 or 7 times now.

It's an enigma, wrapped in a mystery, wrapped in a super tasty matzah ball!

Hi Mary,

I would imagine that most people here have heard of the Shroud of Turin, and to be honest with you, I've never looked into it. If you get the chance, maybe you could tell us a little about it and/or where the best place for info on this might be.

I was actually going to go to bed, but I'm one of those who has to wind down after physical or mental activity first, and now I want to go check on what's going on in the middle east today. Well, I see I am rambling so bye for now, and thanks for your input Mary.

*Ha, ha...Jen, you're just trying to get discussion going.*

Only God would say this and if you have a devotion to the
Old Covenant, some people do, you will of course..."see."

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"The argument, like all effective arguments, is extremely simple: Christ was either God or a bad man.

Unbelievers almost always say he was a good man, not a bad man; that he was a great moral teacher, a sage, a philosopher, a moralist, and a prophet, not a criminal, not a man who deserved to be crucified. But a good man is the one thing he could not possibly have been according to simple common sense and logic. For he claimed to be God. He said, "Before Abraham was, I Am" John 8:58, thus speaking the word no jewish dares to speak because it is God's own private name, spoken by God himself to Moses at the burning bush. Jesus wanted everyone to believe that he was God. He wanted people to worship him. He claimed to forgive everyone's sins against everyone. (Who can do that but God, the One offended in every sin?)"...

Peter Kreeft

Or one can split the difference in seeing "Jesus" as one who publicly put the immortal onto the mortal and demonstrably wrapped the temporal with the eternal.

Apotheosis.

Let Us make man in our Image

man has become like one of Us knowing good and evil

Let US go down and confuse their language

Whom shall I send and who will go for Us

We would have healed

YHWH created all things Alone By Himself,

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith YAHUWAH, Thy Redeemer, and He that formed thee from the womb, I AM YAHUWAH that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens Alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by Myself

John 1:3 All things were made by Him~ YESHUA ~ and without Him was not any thing made that was made

Matthew 28:Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit

Colossians 2:9 For in Him ~ YESHUA ~ dwelleth all the fulness of the divinity bodily

YESHUA said I AM the Good Shepherd,

YESHUA asked the man, why do you call me Good ? None is Good but God

do you have any idea who you are talking to? he didn't, neither do those who deny that YESHUA hu YAHUWAH

None is Good but God Alone, Yeshua is the Good Shepherd, the Shepherd of Israel, YHWH EL Shaddai

He was just here. I told him to take it down the road, and told him what I thought about all the shit he has caused over the past 2k years. What a dick!

for those who weren't up all night long

Thanks for your kind words and likewise we don't share personal email, etc. (even through the website)

We are always looking for a different 'church' to visit (incognito) and yours sounds interesting.

Perhaps in time we will find it, or perhaps we have already.






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Doesn't this seem clear to you?....


18And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.(Mark 10)


And, here is something else that is worthy of your attention (judge for yourself):

The man said, "If only I could be as good as you."

Jesus answered, "Do not call me good, for no man made in the mold of man is wholly good. If I were not made in the same mold as man, I would not be subjected to his tests and trials and, without overcoming these, could not be wholly good either." (Ch 20)
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]





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both those that were the real Jesus ARE RETURNED. Maybe browse my christian thread and see what I have placed there. I have explained this ad nauseum now on this forum and who they were back then and are today. not in the mood to do the repeating thing. [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

and that has to be one of those things ADDED to the bible, because that was NOT said. and Understand the gospels are hearsay. Not one person of the accepted 4 gospels actually wrote one of them.

You want him, you got him!!!!!

this is terrible. I remain appalled at man's concept of God. God makes all things with the help of all others by the way. You are thus, when you create anything, co creating with God.

Yes, "Dinosaur National Monument"........and a brand new Dinosaur Museum........but methinks its all a hoax, just to get more money out of people! LOL :(

You can have E. Gordon Gee back asap.




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AMEN!

Jesus' disciples knew just who Jesus was.

But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. The other disciples therefore said unto him,we have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then said he to Thomas, reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side; and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
John 20: 24-28.

If only it had really happened that way! :(

I definitely believe it did.

Except for the apostle John, the other apostles were martyred for their testimony of Jesus. If Jesus wasn't who he claimed to be, why would they die for a lie?

Jesus(or I should say Immanuel) WAS who He claimed to be......but the writers of the bible changed all that when they made up their own stories about Him! :(

Each of the so called apostles(for they NEVER called themselves that) would gladly give up their lives for the Truth.......even your story of Peter denying Jesus three times was tampered with!

So I can only tell you that when the Master returns, I hope you will all be prepared to relearn your stories: the way they really went down! :)

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I guess it all boils down to, if you believe that the Holy Bible is the complete true word of God. Which I do, without a shadow of a doubt.

Peace to you!

To "believe", even without any "shadow of doubt".......is to NOT KNOW!

For when you KNOW, then you no longer need a belief.....for NOW YOU KNOW! :)

Good point!

Let me put it this way... I'll take my chances with Jesus!

I have no problem with that what-so-ever.......for He is a Great Teacher!(and I Honor Him).....:)

But unless you accept him as your personal savior, you cannot be saved.

Not my words, but Jesus' words.

Nonsense........those are Biblical Words......NOT His words!

His words to me were: that He Saves no-one......"So as you sow, so shall you reap!"......."Learn to save yourselves, or you won't get saved!"

.....And I'll take His words to me, over that of the bible, any day! :)

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Yes. How can I help You? Do you mind if I float instead of standing?

Mary, you are hilarious! To be completely honest, my primary motivation was to remind myself not to neglect some important topics people brought up. And then it occurred to me that my 'note to self ' might spark some discussion. As it turns out, I like the idea of this thread being a group effort.


I really love your quotation. The author is unfamiliar to me, and I would like to know if there is a book that he has written that I could look into (or other format). I have a couple favorite Christian authors, but I have read the works of a variety of authors partially out of
curiosity but mostly because I want to be in Discipleship, so to speak, with God as opposed to a particular writer.

I think his treatment of the "good teacher" argument put forth by some who say Jesus is not devine is very realistic and practical.

Hi to all. I was just getting started, and already I have to drive a kid somewhere...so I'll be back in a bit.