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Xisuthros Rex
User ID: 908143 United States 09/20/2011 03:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have become instantly jealous! One day I hope to make it there. Ohio is not geographically very interesting. But I always say that it makes us enjoy our vacations out of state all the more. Quoting: Jenann From my visions there will be alot more Hawaii to come and visit once the ocean settles down! The whole Hawaiian archipelago raises several hundred feet into the air... What do you mean by visions? Non subjective "dreams" where i'm not following any subcon impulse but watching things unfold. And I've had the same vision of these island rising, oh about 6 or 7 times now. This is my day, there are many like it...but this one is mine. |
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(OP) User ID: 1465884 United States 09/20/2011 03:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is the real Jesus, these are His words, this is truly Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1541705 supernatural. It requires faith. Everyone recognizes John's Gospel speaks mainly of Christ's divinity. You are dead spiritually without the Eucharist. How do you abide in Christ and He in You? The "manna" in the desert is a "type", it prefigures Christ's presence in the Holy Eucharist. How do you get to Heaven? Jesus tells you...all in three verses. John 6:54 Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. And follow, a couple of verses later Jesus states... John 6:57 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him. Read on past a couple of verses in Chapter 6, the promise... John 6:59 This is the bread (Eucharist) that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever. Non-Catholic Christians have no need of the Eucharist or discussion of it. They are afraid, I think. They ignore, won't discuss the Real Presence, they run from the Truth. Because, they would have to change. Hi Mary, I hope you are doing well. I know we don't agree on what you said above, and I am trying to stay away from denominational disagreements and Catholic/Protestant disagreements. So for now would you do me a favor and redirect your comments to the deity of Jesus and why you believe he is God and why it is important to you? You may have a unique way of describing these things that we have not yet considered. Who knows, there could be hundreds of people on this thread that don't believe that Jesus even existed, so I don't think now is the time to be jumping that far into it. And, if at some other time you want to talk about the Eucharist with me, I would not have any objection to joining you in a separate thread about it, even if nobody other than the two of us participate. I give you my word on that. This is the real Jesus, these are His words, this is truly Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1541705 supernatural. It requires faith. Everyone recognizes John's Gospel speaks mainly of Christ's divinity. You are dead spiritually without the Eucharist. How do you abide in Christ and He in You? The "manna" in the desert is a "type", it prefigures Christ's presence in the Holy Eucharist. How do you get to Heaven? Jesus tells you...all in three verses. John 6:54 Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. And follow, a couple of verses later Jesus states... John 6:57 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him. Read on past a couple of verses in Chapter 6, the promise... John 6:59 This is the bread (Eucharist) that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever. Non-Catholic Christians have no need of the Eucharist or discussion of it. They are afraid, I think. They ignore, won't discuss the Real Presence, they run from the Truth. Because, they would have to change. Hi Mary, I hope you are doing well. I know we don't agree on what you said above, and I am trying to stay away from denominational disagreements and Catholic/Protestant disagreements. So for now would you do me a favor and redirect your comments to the deity of Jesus and why you believe he is God and why it is important to you? You may have a unique way of describing these things that we have not yet considered. Who knows, there could be hundreds of people on this thread that don't believe that Jesus even existed, so I don't think now is the time to be jumping that far into it. And, if at some other time you want to talk about the Eucharist with me, I would not have any objection to joining you in a separate thread about it, even if nobody other than the two of us participate. I give you my word on that. Very kind reply, hi Jen, There is hardly ever a discussion just denial. What about those three verses? Okay...another thread. The Eucharist is proof of the divinity of Christ. There have been many Eucharistic miracles through the centuries to help disbelievers. I can give three other proofs.... All point to the diety of Christ. Reply to them anyone. 1. The Shroud of Turin -Science can't figure the impression- 2. The Tilma of Guadalupe -many unexplained and tested, you can actually see a reflection of the people in the room at the time imaged in Mary's pupil. Found in our time with technology- 3. The Stigmata, for fifty years Padre Pio bore the wounds of Christ. -no infection from these wounds, secular studies, many done, Science can't figure- Hi Mary, I would imagine that most people here have heard of the Shroud of Turin, and to be honest with you, I've never looked into it. If you get the chance, maybe you could tell us a little about it and/or where the best place for info on this might be. I was actually going to go to bed, but I'm one of those who has to wind down after physical or mental activity first, and now I want to go check on what's going on in the middle east today. Well, I see I am rambling so bye for now, and thanks for your input Mary. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1541705 United States 09/20/2011 03:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good night everyone! I'll be back tomorrow in the late afternoon or early evening. I hope y'all get some good conversations going while I'm gone. Quoting: Jenann Here's a note to myself about some of the topics people brought up that we did not discuss yet: If Jesus is God, why didn't he say so in terms that are crystal clear to us? Or for that matter, if he isn't God, why didn't he make that crystal clear? What is so important about the first verse in the gospel of John? Where does the term, "the Word" come from and what does it mean? What did I mean when I used the term, "truly seeking"? *Ha, ha...Jen, you're just trying to get discussion going.* Only God would say this and if you have a devotion to the Old Covenant, some people do, you will of course..."see." + + + "The argument, like all effective arguments, is extremely simple: Christ was either God or a bad man. Unbelievers almost always say he was a good man, not a bad man; that he was a great moral teacher, a sage, a philosopher, a moralist, and a prophet, not a criminal, not a man who deserved to be crucified. But a good man is the one thing he could not possibly have been according to simple common sense and logic. For he claimed to be God. He said, "Before Abraham was, I Am" John 8:58, thus speaking the word no jewish dares to speak because it is God's own private name, spoken by God himself to Moses at the burning bush. Jesus wanted everyone to believe that he was God. He wanted people to worship him. He claimed to forgive everyone's sins against everyone. (Who can do that but God, the One offended in every sin?)"... Peter Kreeft |
Xisuthros Rex
User ID: 908143 United States 09/20/2011 03:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Unbelievers almost always say he was a good man, not a bad man; that he was a great moral teacher, a sage, a philosopher, a moralist, and a prophet, not a criminal, not a man who deserved to be crucified. But a good man is the one thing he could not possibly have been according to simple common sense and logic. For he claimed to be God. He said, "Before Abraham was, I Am" John 8:58, thus speaking the word no jewish dares to speak because it is God's own private name, spoken by God himself to Moses at the burning bush. Jesus wanted everyone to believe that he was God. He wanted people to worship him. He claimed to forgive everyone's sins against everyone. (Who can do that but God, the One offended in every sin?)"... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1541705 Peter Kreeft Or one can split the difference in seeing "Jesus" as one who publicly put the immortal onto the mortal and demonstrably wrapped the temporal with the eternal. Apotheosis. This is my day, there are many like it...but this one is mine. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1370012 United States 09/20/2011 03:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | man has become like one of Us knowing good and evil Let US go down and confuse their language Whom shall I send and who will go for Us We would have healed YHWH created all things Alone By Himself, Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith YAHUWAH, Thy Redeemer, and He that formed thee from the womb, I AM YAHUWAH that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens Alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by Myself John 1:3 All things were made by Him~ YESHUA ~ and without Him was not any thing made that was made Matthew 28:Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit Colossians 2:9 For in Him ~ YESHUA ~ dwelleth all the fulness of the divinity bodily YESHUA said I AM the Good Shepherd, YESHUA asked the man, why do you call me Good ? None is Good but God do you have any idea who you are talking to? he didn't, neither do those who deny that YESHUA hu YAHUWAH None is Good but God Alone, Yeshua is the Good Shepherd, the Shepherd of Israel, YHWH EL Shaddai |
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Daniel's Seventieth Seven User ID: 1071051 United States 09/20/2011 09:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi Daniel, Quoting: Jenann This has nothing to do with you in particular, but maybe we can figure out another way to share information. Would you consider joining GLP for one month so that we can share info? Last I checked it was $10. Or maybe there is another way (?). My hubby and I have a thing where we don't give out our personal email addresses to people from the opposite gender on the internet. I totally get that you have nothing but good intentions, but I need to do this for him. I had actually set out to see if you would be interested in helping out with hosting this thread, but I had no way of contacting you (the GLP gods wouldn't let me). TW sent me a message before I became a member, but I was not allowed to respond since I was not a member. So I thought I could get a message through to you and that you could give me a reply on that thread we were both on over that last couple of weeks, but it didn't work. Anyway, I value your input here, so any time you can spend here is greatly appreciated. Thanks for your kind words and likewise we don't share personal email, etc. (even through the website) We are always looking for a different 'church' to visit (incognito) and yours sounds interesting. Perhaps in time we will find it, or perhaps we have already. .) |
Daniel's Seventieth Seven User ID: 1071051 United States 09/20/2011 10:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Doesn't this seem clear to you?.... 18And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.(Mark 10) And, here is something else that is worthy of your attention (judge for yourself): The man said, "If only I could be as good as you." Jesus answered, "Do not call me good, for no man made in the mold of man is wholly good. If I were not made in the same mold as man, I would not be subjected to his tests and trials and, without overcoming these, could not be wholly good either." (Ch 20) [link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net] <> |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1541191 United States 09/20/2011 10:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Doesn't this seem clear to you?.... 18And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.(Mark 10) And, here is something else that is worthy of your attention (judge for yourself): The man said, "If only I could be as good as you." Jesus answered, "Do not call me good, for no man made in the mold of man is wholly good. If I were not made in the same mold as man, I would not be subjected to his tests and trials and, without overcoming these, could not be wholly good either." (Ch 20) [link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net] and that has to be one of those things ADDED to the bible, because that was NOT said. and Understand the gospels are hearsay. Not one person of the accepted 4 gospels actually wrote one of them. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1541191 United States 09/20/2011 10:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let Us make man in our Image Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1370012 man has become like one of Us knowing good and evil Let US go down and confuse their language Whom shall I send and who will go for Us We would have healed YHWH created all things Alone By Himself, Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith YAHUWAH, Thy Redeemer, and He that formed thee from the womb, I AM YAHUWAH that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens Alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by Myself John 1:3 All things were made by Him~ YESHUA ~ and without Him was not any thing made that was made Matthew 28:Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit Colossians 2:9 For in Him ~ YESHUA ~ dwelleth all the fulness of the divinity bodily YESHUA said I AM the Good Shepherd, YESHUA asked the man, why do you call me Good ? None is Good but God do you have any idea who you are talking to? he didn't, neither do those who deny that YESHUA hu YAHUWAH None is Good but God Alone, Yeshua is the Good Shepherd, the Shepherd of Israel, YHWH EL Shaddai this is terrible. I remain appalled at man's concept of God. God makes all things with the help of all others by the way. You are thus, when you create anything, co creating with God. |
ObeWayneKenobe
User ID: 1330622 United States 09/20/2011 11:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh, we visited Utah four years ago. We were pretty awed by the beauty...Arches Nat'l Park, Bryce Canyon, Zion Nat'l Park. Then we went to the Grand Canyon in Arizona, and all I can say is that while it sure is vast and amazing in its own right, it doesn't hold a candle to the beauty we saw in your state. Quoting: Jenann:Thank you! I live in Vernal(upper right hand corner of Utah)........much beauty here as well!(Not to mention the gold) lol ;) So then are you near Dinosaur National Park (or maybe it's a national monument)? I might be getting my western states mixed up. we wanted to go there, but we only had so much time and ended up choosing the other three spots. Yes, "Dinosaur National Monument"........and a brand new Dinosaur Museum........but methinks its all a hoax, just to get more money out of people! LOL :( |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1331138 United States 09/20/2011 02:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus' disciples knew just who Jesus was. But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. The other disciples therefore said unto him,we have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then said he to Thomas, reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side; and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20: 24-28. |
ObeWayneKenobe
User ID: 1558265 United States 09/20/2011 02:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus' disciples knew just who Jesus was. Quoting: Troubled Waters... But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. The other disciples therefore said unto him,we have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then said he to Thomas, reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side; and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20: 24-28. If only it had really happened that way! :( |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1331138 United States 09/20/2011 03:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus' disciples knew just who Jesus was. Quoting: Troubled Waters... But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. The other disciples therefore said unto him,we have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then said he to Thomas, reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side; and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20: 24-28. If only it had really happened that way! :( I definitely believe it did. Except for the apostle John, the other apostles were martyred for their testimony of Jesus. If Jesus wasn't who he claimed to be, why would they die for a lie? |
ObeWayneKenobe
User ID: 1558265 United States 09/20/2011 03:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus' disciples knew just who Jesus was. Quoting: Troubled Waters... But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. The other disciples therefore said unto him,we have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then said he to Thomas, reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side; and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20: 24-28. If only it had really happened that way! :( I definitely believe it did. Except for the apostle John, the other apostles were martyred for their testimony of Jesus. If Jesus wasn't who he claimed to be, why would they die for a lie? Jesus(or I should say Immanuel) WAS who He claimed to be......but the writers of the bible changed all that when they made up their own stories about Him! :( Each of the so called apostles(for they NEVER called themselves that) would gladly give up their lives for the Truth.......even your story of Peter denying Jesus three times was tampered with! So I can only tell you that when the Master returns, I hope you will all be prepared to relearn your stories: the way they really went down! :) Last Edited by ObeWayneKenobe on 09/20/2011 03:17 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1331138 United States 09/20/2011 03:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus' disciples knew just who Jesus was. Quoting: Troubled Waters... But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. The other disciples therefore said unto him,we have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then said he to Thomas, reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side; and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20: 24-28. If only it had really happened that way! :( I definitely believe it did. Except for the apostle John, the other apostles were martyred for their testimony of Jesus. If Jesus wasn't who he claimed to be, why would they die for a lie? Jesus(or I should say Immanuel) WAS who He claimed to be......but the writers of the bible changed all that when they made up their own stories about Him! :( Each of the so called apostles(for they NEVER called themselves that) would gladly give up their lives for the Truth.......even your story of Peter denying Jesus three times was tampered with! So I can only tell you that when the Master returns, I hope you will all be prepared to relearn your stories: the way they really went down! :) I guess it all boils down to, if you believe that the Holy Bible is the complete true word of God. Which I do, without a shadow of a doubt. Peace to you! |
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User ID: 1558265 United States 09/20/2011 03:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I guess it all boils down to, if you believe that the Holy Bible is the complete true word of God. Which I do, without a shadow of a doubt. Quoting: Troubled Waters...:Peace to you! To "believe", even without any "shadow of doubt".......is to NOT KNOW! For when you KNOW, then you no longer need a belief.....for NOW YOU KNOW! :) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1331138 United States 09/20/2011 03:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I guess it all boils down to, if you believe that the Holy Bible is the complete true word of God. Which I do, without a shadow of a doubt. Quoting: Troubled Waters...:Peace to you! To "believe", even without any "shadow of doubt".......is to NOT KNOW! For when you KNOW, then you no longer need a belief.....for NOW YOU KNOW! :) Good point! Let me put it this way... I'll take my chances with Jesus! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1331138 United States 09/20/2011 04:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let me put it this way... I'll take my chances with Jesus! Quoting: Troubled Waters...:I have no problem with that what-so-ever.......for He is a Great Teacher!(and I Honor Him).....:) But unless you accept him as your personal savior, you cannot be saved. Not my words, but Jesus' words. |
ObeWayneKenobe
User ID: 1558265 United States 09/20/2011 04:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let me put it this way... I'll take my chances with Jesus! Quoting: Troubled Waters...:I have no problem with that what-so-ever.......for He is a Great Teacher!(and I Honor Him).....:) But unless you accept him as your personal savior, you cannot be saved. Not my words, but Jesus' words. Nonsense........those are Biblical Words......NOT His words! His words to me were: that He Saves no-one......"So as you sow, so shall you reap!"......."Learn to save yourselves, or you won't get saved!" .....And I'll take His words to me, over that of the bible, any day! :) Last Edited by ObeWayneKenobe on 09/20/2011 04:57 PM |
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(OP) User ID: 1465884 United States 09/20/2011 04:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good night everyone! I'll be back tomorrow in the late afternoon or early evening. I hope y'all get some good conversations going while I'm gone. Quoting: Jenann Here's a note to myself about some of the topics people brought up that we did not discuss yet: If Jesus is God, why didn't he say so in terms that are crystal clear to us? Or for that matter, if he isn't God, why didn't he make that crystal clear? What is so important about the first verse in the gospel of John? Where does the term, "the Word" come from and what does it mean? What did I mean when I used the term, "truly seeking"? *Ha, ha...Jen, you're just trying to get discussion going.* Only God would say this and if you have a devotion to the Old Covenant, some people do, you will of course..."see." + + + "The argument, like all effective arguments, is extremely simple: Christ was either God or a bad man. Unbelievers almost always say he was a good man, not a bad man; that he was a great moral teacher, a sage, a philosopher, a moralist, and a prophet, not a criminal, not a man who deserved to be crucified. But a good man is the one thing he could not possibly have been according to simple common sense and logic. For he claimed to be God. He said, "Before Abraham was, I Am" John 8:58, thus speaking the word no jewish dares to speak because it is God's own private name, spoken by God himself to Moses at the burning bush. Jesus wanted everyone to believe that he was God. He wanted people to worship him. He claimed to forgive everyone's sins against everyone. (Who can do that but God, the One offended in every sin?)"... Peter Kreeft Mary, you are hilarious! To be completely honest, my primary motivation was to remind myself not to neglect some important topics people brought up. And then it occurred to me that my 'note to self ' might spark some discussion. As it turns out, I like the idea of this thread being a group effort. I really love your quotation. The author is unfamiliar to me, and I would like to know if there is a book that he has written that I could look into (or other format). I have a couple favorite Christian authors, but I have read the works of a variety of authors partially out of curiosity but mostly because I want to be in Discipleship, so to speak, with God as opposed to a particular writer. I think his treatment of the "good teacher" argument put forth by some who say Jesus is not devine is very realistic and practical. |
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