***** Dead Sea Scrolls-- Here They Are, Translated, And Fully Viewable!!! *****

Err I take that back. Only the Isaiah Scroll translates for me. Damn.

These are BALD-FACED LIES.

Point out to me ONE article that has been published in any official or unofficial publication which establishes the connections between the Revelations in the Thanksgiving Hymns and the Revelations in the Quran.

Muslims ARE NOT ALLOWED to have their research on the Dead Sea Scrolls published.

I know this from first hand experience over a period of at least 20 years.



Why do you think he converted to Catholicism?

Prolly so he could get his research published.

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Richard Dawkins translated them...

The scrolls are just copies of stuff already in the bible. I don't understand the hoopla here. The scrolls site itself says that these are books of the bible.

And I have much more respect for a 'crack' whore than I do for someone who makes such a statement as this.

Either you have absolutely NO knowledge whatsoever of the Dead Sea Scrolls, or you are PAID to vomit out such filth on these groups, or you are nothing more than a useful fool with not even so much as two active brain cells.

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[link to www.gnosis.org]


This is a much better site and has been around for years.

There's differences. Your precious bible has been heavily edited and mistranslated throughout the centuries

Not precisely.

They were translated by Jewish and Christian religious 'authorities' who don't want you to know that they are, fundamentally, no different than Richard Dawkins.

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not quite. there is more to it. These are books of the bibles that were PURPOSELY kept out of it.

Amazing! God meant for them to be found when they were found...1947. Israel became a nation in 1948. Divine words from God....given through visions to prophets such as Isaiah.

They were also discovered after the slaughter of millions of jewish people during the Holocaust...

When people were wondering WHY that happened.

The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls was, in fact, an ANSWER to that question.

But, more than 60 years later, has that answer been translated into something that makes any sense?

Of course not.

Those religious 'authorities' who brought you the Holocaust in the first place WILL NOT ALLOW it.

The official position is that "there is nothing in the Dead Sea Scrolls which in any way threatens the doctrines of Judaism or Christianity".

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O' really.....and you know this because? I just looked at a simple Hebrew tetragrammaton, prove me wrong! I said nothing of being Hebrew scholar, but I'm retarded, you are right, I have no business looking at such things as "The Dead Sea Scrolls".

This is definitely so. They spend their whole lives debating the proper interpretation of biblical texts. To add another layer of difficulty, ancient Hebrew writing was done without spaces between words or vowel notations (which is a very modern addition to the system and even now seldom used). In some cases individual passages could have very different meanings depending on where one chose to split the words or how one chooses to add vowels. Sometimes one scholar believes a line should read one way, another a different way, and a third might argue that both possibilities should be taken into consideration.


First, I don't like being called a liar. Not a good way to start a discussion. Paranoia and extremism are death to rational debate.

As for the passages you describe, I can't speak to anything in the Quran, I never studied it as it wasn't the subject of the course I took (which was early Christianity, with a heavy emphasis on Jewish religion and culture leading up to the time of the Second Temple Israel to put it all into context). Had it not been my senior year when I took that course, I probably would have next taken that same professor's course on Islam as he was the best teacher I've ever had. I always lamented not being able to study with him more.

How can Muslims be precluded from publishing their own research on the scrolls when they are out there for the public to view study? Anyone can either self-publish, or get their work published by a Muslim owned or Arabic language publisher if they wanted to, assuming such a publisher would accept their submission.


No, he converted because he came of age in Iran at the time Khomeini first took over and was forced to flee in order to save his own life. It was that brand of extremism that drove him from the religion at an early and impressionable time, I believe. He wasn't anti-Islam. He occasionally told us some interesting things about the faith as side notes and counterpoints to what we were studying, and it was never done in a negative way. If anything it was often done in a very positive context.


Let go of your anger. Seriously, it's not helpful.

Who am I? I'm a guy who was lucky enough to take a great course 16 years ago with a brilliant man who is a top professor in this particular field. Just trying to add my 2 cents to the discussion. I'm relating what I know and remember from what I studied back then. That's all I am, not pretending to be anything else.

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Mankind will never know what the Scrolls really said. They quickly fell into the Catholic churches possession, who then translated it. It's said that if the original scrolls could be examined, and were to be correctly translated, it would debunk Christianity as we know it. Use your heads, anything put out by the church will only further verify it's teachings.
Nothing new in the scrolls released-they do nothing but back up the already doctored up bible.

probably true and a project of doing it right perhaps for the coming rebuilding of this world.

for truth

Also thanks OP for the link!

I don't get it, where the actual text??

Only one is translated and only 5 out of the 900+ scroll fragments found.

Thankyou for your contribution.

Trying to start a slagging match instead of debating ?.

The DSS have nothing to do with the Bible and are not from the mouth of God.

Rev:22:18

This is a snare.

Good point, there's no way of telling how accurate it really is.

Gay

Or, more accurately, they spend their whole lives interpreting the Revelations in such a way as to preserve their jobs. The interpretation which is most universally accepted being that interpretation that permits them to continue the charade until they die; so their sons can continue the charade until they die. Rinse and repeat.



Precisely the evidence needed to demonstrate that you cannot interpret the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Point out to me, Sir, where I ever called you a LIAR.

What I said was that what you asserted were BALD-FACED LIES.

This is not the same thing.

And the Dead Sea Scrolls are filled with numerous such nuances and subtleties which are disinterpreted by the religious 'authorities'.

You have been lied to.

Your problem is that you have not questioned those lies, but have simply swallowed them hook, line and sinker.

The word for that is "gullible".



You live a sheltered life, Sir.

You generalize from your experience and think that that is what Muslims must experience as well.

It is not.



You certainly live a sheltered life.

You are speculating FAR above your pay grade.









Let go of your idea that you have Knowledge about something of which you have NO Knowledge at all.

It is the claim of Knowledge by people who have NO knowledge that is leading this civilization into the horrors of the "time of trouble".



"The field" is DEFINED as censoring any Truth which threatens the economic interests of the Judaeo-Christian religious establishment.

That is the ticket for being admitted.



You are pretending to have a Knowledge that you do not have.

You are merely repeating what you have been told by others.

Of what value is that?

This is specifically singled out in the Quran as the principal reason for evil in the world.

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In more than 60 years, there has NEVER been any "debate" on the meaning of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

There has been warfare between those who have Knowledge and those who have NO Knowledge at all.

With the media being PAID to publicize only the speculations of those who have NO Knowledge.

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Thanks. I read the Dead Sea Scrolls only for the pictures.

A whole lot of personal opinion by you in this here post.

When a person has no debating skills that's all they resort to.

It isn't even as complicated as that.

Just try a little experiment.

READ the Thanksgiving Hymns...

As IF they were written by Jesus.

Because they were.

Then, see if you can find any evidence in the Hymns that they were written by Jesus.

Then, consider that the Hymns contain evidence that the Doctrine of "resurrection" is a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'...

And read the Hymns again.

Then, consider the implications upon Christian theology were this to be universally publicized.

How many theologians would lose their jobs?

How many Christian word-crafters would be able to sell their books of speculations about what Jesus taught, or about what kind of a person he was...

When the words of Jesus himself can be read and people can determine this FOR THEMSELVES?

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No it isn't.

You forgot CENSORSHIP.

And GENOCIDE.

That's how the Roman church previously responded to the Albigensians; who taught, as did Jesus, that the Doctrine of "resurrection" is a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

The Benedictine monks that were sent to debate the Albigensians were regularly TROUNCED in those debates.

The 'remedy' for that?

EXTERMINATE the Albigensians; and, even more importantly, DESTROY their writings.

Which is why the Dead Sea Scrolls were hidden from the Jewish religious establishment....NOT the Romans, who could not have cared less.

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