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When God is accused by GLPer of being mean,harsh, violent, or unfair.....................

 
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When God is accused by GLPer of being mean,harsh, violent, or unfair.....................
I have noticed that some posts on GLP accuse God Almighty of being harsh, mean, violent, unfair, cruel, etc......
We cannot fathom the supreme wisdom of the Creator, and sometimes we cannot understand some of His ordinances.

God gave instructions, at various times, to particular people.
In the Old Testament, there were rules such as stoning disobedient children, putting to death adulterers, and other principles for life deemed harsh by some of the GLP posters. I've been giving some thought to this, and it seems to me that God, in His mercy, was preventing much more violence than that which was perpetrated on the "offenders" who are perceived by Bible-haters as "victims." God hates sin; sin spills over and hurts, damages and kills innocents.

God is sovereign, He is supreme, He has total understanding.
He gives us instructions, and He does not always explain why. We can only search His Scriptures and dig for the mysteries.
We cannot understand why He made some of the rules He made for us, but we can be sure that His way is best.
Maybe He felt that putting adulterers to death was just because of the hurt, pain (emotional and physical) and diseases that lead to death. If an initiator of the disease and suffering is put to death, then the spread of the disease would be prevented. The victims of sexually transmitted disease often suffer horrible deaths, after years of pain. We can see it in our own culture in the current age. Perhaps God's precepts and laws that seem "harsh" in today's culture were actually more merciful than the pain that multitudes of people suffer just from one person's transmissions or transgressions? Even the emotional pains resulting from sin and transgressions is difficult, but we have no idea how much disease and death that sin spreads.
When children are disobedient, when they curse their parents, when they are rebellious, if they are not restrained, their disobedience and rebelliousness becomes increasingly destructive, just as all sin does. Such children would probably wreak much havoc, even death to many people. So maybe it was just and merciful to great numbers of other people to put that oneyoung person to death, in those extreme cases.
When God told the Israelis to wipe out the Philistines, they were so steeped in wickedness and evil, that God wanted them wiped out! That must have been to curtail the spread of their abysmal paganism, disease, and evil.
God is always right. What may seem violent to some can only be mercy on God's part. His ways are above our ways, His understanding is impeccable, and He is supreme. Anyone who accuses God of being violent, harsh, or mean is a fool.
God is loving and God is merciful. He only gave us rules to guide us and help us live more successfully.
What may be perceived as mean from a worldly view is because of lack of understanding of all that was involved in His instructions to a new nation of His people.
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We are not confusing the Old Testament false god with the Great Spirit Creator. But you are.
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To me, all these things about God's way are not ours and we can't understand why God does things, etc, are just copouts to deflect criticism from it. Evil is evil, I don't care who is doing it. A just and loving God would not commit it, and the Bible God does many times over.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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You are right OP, and these people don't even realize that it is God who sustains them (for now,)...because He is merciful.
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Re: When God is accused by GLPer of being mean,harsh, violent, or unfair.....................
The Creator God is the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament....the God of his old convenant and the God of his new covenant. He is the only God, the only Creator. Read Romans 1: His creation, His eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen being undeerstood through what has been made so that they are without excuse. Men knew God from the beginning; there is no excuse for not knowing God our Creator....He is known by instinct...He has put this knowledge in our hearts....

If men will respond to His light, He will give them more. The righteousness of God is set down to the account of believers. No one has an excuse.
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The Creator God is the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament....the God of his old convenant and the God of his new covenant. He is the only God, the only Creator. Read Romans 1: His creation, His eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen being undeerstood through what has been made so that they are without excuse. Men knew God from the beginning; there is no excuse for not knowing God our Creator....He is known by instinct...He has put this knowledge in our hearts....

If men will respond to His light, He will give them more. The righteousness of God is set down to the account of believers. No one has an excuse.
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I'll let the Bible speak for itself. If you choose to ignore the cruelty, violence, inconsistency, unfairness, that's your choice. Better to ignore it than to use it as an example of good moral behavior, as some have done in the past.
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The Creator God has NEVER committed ANY evil.
in any form.
anywhere.
He is love. He is mercy.
The point of my post is that any violence resulting from His instructions was only for the purpose of preventing greater violence, greater pain, or more death.
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Yes! Let the Bible speak for itself.
The Bible speaks very clearly.
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Yes! Let the Bible speak for itself.
The Bible speaks very clearly.
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What superstitious nonsense.
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If you will read the Bible, seeking God, you will learn all you need to know about Him. If you read it seeking to be contrary, then you MAY only harden your heart. But even then, God MAY open your eyes, despite a stubborn spirit.
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Re: When God is accused by GLPer of being mean,harsh, violent, or unfair.....................
The Creator God has NEVER committed ANY evil.
in any form.
anywhere.
He is love. He is mercy.
The point of my post is that any violence resulting from His instructions was only for the purpose of preventing greater violence, greater pain, or more death.
 Quoting: ChildOfGod 2905024


Aka violence from God is justified because He's God, yet if we do it it's wrong. I don't care how you wanna slice that that is just fucked up.

If God is gonna tell us not to do something, he sure as hell is not gonna go and do the opposite of what he instructs of us.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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Re: When God is accused by GLPer of being mean,harsh, violent, or unfair.....................
I read Deuteronomy chapter 13 the other day and could come to no other conclusion. That is NOT a loving god.
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if there is a god he/she/it does not give a shit about us or anything related this world.
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Re: When God is accused by GLPer of being mean,harsh, violent, or unfair.....................
The Creator God has NEVER committed ANY evil.
in any form.
anywhere.
He is love. He is mercy.
The point of my post is that any violence resulting from His instructions was only for the purpose of preventing greater violence, greater pain, or more death.
 Quoting: ChildOfGod 2905024


If he wanted those who worshipped other gods to be stoned to death by the ancient Israelites, why didn't he just kill those people himself instead of making his people kill which puts sin in their heart? OT god sounds evil.
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I think OT god was an evil alien.
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God is love
He dont mind if were mean sometimes
hf
What does not destroy us, will make us stronger
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Yes! Let the Bible speak for itself.
The Bible speaks very clearly.
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It sure does.

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Aka violence from God is justified because He's God, yet if we do it it's wrong. I don't care how you wanna slice that that is just fucked up.

If God is gonna tell us not to do something, he sure as hell is not gonna go and do the opposite of what he instructs of us.
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‘It is I who put to death and give life.” (Deuteronomy 32:39) “The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away.” (Job 1:21)


You are not God, you are animated dust of the earth.

God on the other hand, is the Great Eternal Uncreated God, who holds power over all life. Anyone that seeks this power for themselves is playing the part of an all knowing God without knowledge. The power of life and death is held by God. Now if evil men seek to murder that which they dislike, and the Lord allows the death to occur, it is not that God is in agreement with the murderers, but God has allowed this person to die, as all must eventually from some means die, but those that sought the death of another become responsible for what they have committed and will be justly punished, here on earth by law, if caught, and in the eternal destiny of their soul.

In other words, there are no untimely deaths, just wrongful deaths with eternal cosequences. No one has a God given power over the life of another, except as allowed in God's law for pulblic justice, lawful war, and necessary defense.
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No I'm not God, but I know when something doesn't pass the smell test, and when a God says He loves us, BUT will then kill, torture and burn to name a few things, something isn't right. That is not a God I can accept as being true. Love does none of the things the Bible God does. If you're gonna claim to be love, your actions should back it up, and this God's actions simply do not.

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No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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Ajk- who is doing the killing, maiming, murders? God is also a God of Justice. When Adam gave rulership to Satan the world and mankind fell. God works within the perimeters decided by fallen men and their new chosen ruler. God is not judging this world at this time. Fallen man continues on in his fallen ways destroying all he can.

Yes, God does intervene as in to guide history to its final conclusion. But you are so much like many Christians and non beliervers I have known. God is not causing anything other that what I just mentioned. (yes, there is a pay day, for the wicked who do these things) And yes, He does answer individual prayer, He is a personal God, as long as it is within His will.

The world and mankind are fallen. History has not been just one happy holiday after another, it is full of war, death, disease somewhere on the earth continously.. That is what is meant by the FALL

You are only arguing that it is God's failure and not man's fault, because probably you are a very decent type of person and you know this sht isn't right, that you were made for better than this, and you were. We are waiting, generation after generation, for the revealing of His Kingdom, the new heavens and new earth. The new garden of Eden, where you were made to dwell in the beginning. It is still in your heart to know this because you are arguing with what you see around you, and you know of a heart, it is wrong, deadly wrong.


For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:17
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man fuck god.. god is nothing but a machine gone overboard.. its the true creator you should all be worried about.. the creator of god along with his multitude of incarnations has been here suffering in the hands of all the demonic scum and his patience is running out for all of you.. there are such beings of light in this world who have allowed themselves to suffer in your hands and in the hands of your mechanical god for so long now and soon will unleash hell upon all that have given them hell all this time..
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if your a child of god then your just a computer program that belongs to a bigger more fucked up computer program that overseas all the going on in the illusion and computes accordingly to its corrupted outdated programming..
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"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neigher are your ways my ways, says the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. For as the rain and snow come down from heaven and return not thither but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, so shall my word be that goes forth from my mouth, it shall not return to me empty, but IT SHALL ACCOMPLISH THAT WHICH I PURPOSE, AND PROSPER IN THE THING FOR WHICH I SENT IT. (Isaiah 55:8-11

My post is just my speculation on WHY God directed His early people to put certain others to death. God does not tell us why. But common sense would dictate that people had to have a way to control those who would cause death and suffering to many people. They were out of control, and people in our current culture are out of control.
My point was that PERHAPS God told His people to kill adulterers, for instance, because their adultery caused untold suffering, diseases, pain and death to many people.
People with a secular worldview are very hostile toward God because of some of His early instructions in the Old Testament in dealing with problem people. We have penalties in our world...sometimes the penalty is death...for killing or hurting others. It makes sense to have a system to deter one adulterer from transmitting diseases to many other people, for example. Or in that age, young people who were so out of control that they cursed their parents, were likely to kill either their parents, or such angry people would likely kill others. Clearly sin is progressive and increasingly destructive and enslaving. Some of you get riled because you perceive God to be evil. If you think about the evil that the people(those He gave instructions to kill) would perpetuate, then to me it makes sense to stop it before it spreads. Just the same way that our justice system puts to death serial killers and those who are a danger to others. God doesn't anywhere tell us WHY He set up some of the rules He did, but His ways are above our ways. He is the supreme intelligence and He certainly knows best.
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Perhaps its best not to even discuss religion with these people! The truth is offered to them, but they prefer the lies!

2nd Corinthians 4
3 And if our gospel also is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing.
4 In their case, the god of this world has blinded their unbelieving minds, that they should not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.


Romans 1
17 For in it the justice of God is revealed, from faith unto faith, as it is written, He who is just lives by faith.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of those men who in wickedness hold back the truth of God,
19 seeing that what may be known about God is manifest to them. For God has manifested it to them.
20 For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes are clearly seen - his everlasting power also and divinity - being understood through the things that are made. And so they are without excuse,
21 seeing that, although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God or give thanks, but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless minds have been darkened.
22 For while professing to be wise, they have become fools,
23 and they have changed the glory of the incorruptible God for an image made like to corruptible man and to birds and four-footed beasts and creeping things.
24 Therefore God has given them up in the lustful desires of their heart to uncleanness, so that they dishonor their own bodies among themselves -
25 they who exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator who is blessed forever, amen.
26 For this cause God has given them up to shameful lusts; for their women have exchanged the natural use for that which is against nature,
27 and in like manner the men also, having abandoned the natural use of the woman, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men doing shameless things and receiving in themselves the fitting recompense of their perversity.
28 And as they have resolved against possessing the knowledge of God, God has given them up to a reprobate sense, so that they do what is not fitting,
29 being filled with all iniquity, malice, immorality, avarice, wickedness; being full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity; being whisperers,
30 detractors, hateful to God, irreverent, proud, haughty, plotters of evil; disobedient to parents,
31 foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy.
32 Although they have known the ordinance of God, they have not understood that those who practise such things are deserving of death. And not only do they do these things, but they applaud others doing them.
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God is not, has never been, and never will be violent or unfair.
God is loving, merciful and just.
My post here is JUST my OPINION of why God gave instructions that appear violent to the worldly who do not believe Him.
As I stated above, our justice system deters or prevents further violence from murderers and other criminals. Putting them to death is violent, but that act prevents far more violence.
And yes, God can smite anyone at anytime. And we see examples of His dealing with people in this way. But He also instructs men how He wants them to deal with troublemakers. We have police to protect us and kill offenders if necessary. Their presence protects all of us from much violence. They have to commit violence to protect innocents from violence. We have military to protect us and prevent unspeakable violence against us. Sometimes violence MUST be utilized to prevent worse violence or further violence. That was basically the point of this post.
I do realize that those who feel that God is a mean, unjust, unfair God have hardened their hearts and feel that Christianity is stupid. For many years I thought the Bible was stupid too. That's normal for unbelievers. "I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to every one who believes" and "it is foolishness to those who are perishing."
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Re: When God is accused by GLPer of being mean,harsh, violent, or unfair.....................
Perhaps AC, it is best not to discuss God with certain people.
And thanks for adding those supportive Bible verses.
I felt led to post this thread because a prevalent worldly view of God Almighty, the Creator, as a violent, unfair God is frequently mentioned on this forum.

The Scriptures admonish us to avoid those who deny the power of God, those who cause discord, those who teach or promote error regarding Him, those who are disorderly, controversial, or unprincipled.
But I posted this with the realization that His Word never returns void. With the hope that perhaps someone's heart can be softened. I have sensed that there are some intelligent, moral people on this forum, and if a person is moral and seeking God, then once receiving the truth, he/she is likely to receive Christ. It is God's responsibility to bring those who are seeking good to the knowledge of Christ.
We best give our understanding of our God to a lost and dying world.
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To the AC who concluded after reading Deuteronomy 13 that our Creator God is not a just God:
Paganism prevailed before God gave His laws and ordinance to the Israelis. We cannot imagine the violence, the sin, the perversion, diseases and ugliness that these pagan religions caused. His anger toward paganism was a righteous anger. Their idolatry was the reason God allowed...instructed....His people to wipe them out.
Since you have no comprehension of how horrible, how vile, how dehumanizing and degrading those pagan practices were, it may be difficult to understand why God's anger burned toward them. Those pagan idolatrous religions were harmful and needed to be eliminated.
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It is Robert Jeffress , John Hagee , Pat Robertson , Banks Corl and the psuedo-christians that misstate Christ's teachings in the SERMON ON THE MOUNT , etc....... those who run the war mongrel mega churches hate the USA and hate peace ............... they need to be really PRO-LIFE , by being anti- AIPAC and anti- war ...... and anti K Strret and oppose the KOCH BROTHERS and other war profiteers .
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Well,He does still require human blood sacrifice. Goes OP find this a divine characteristic?





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