How Did Obama Know About 'Fast And Furious' Before Holder? (Obama was in on it)

Thread: New Evidence Reveals Extensive White House Complicity in Fast and Furious - Calls for independent investigation

New evidence shows Hillary a mastermind behind Gunwalker. Fast & Furious

Last week it was reported that the State Department and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton were deeply involved in the scandal known as Operation Fast and Furious, or Project Gunwalker. Today, however, new evidence has surfaced indicating that not only was Hillary deeply involved in the scandal but was one of the masterminds behind it.

According to investigative citizen journalist Mike Vanderboegh, sources close to the development of the Gunwalker scheme state that early on, Hillary and her trusted associated at State, Andrew J. Shapiro, devised at least part of the framework of what would later become Operation Fast and Furious. It was Shapiro who first described the details of the proposed scheme early in 2009 just after the Obama Administration took office.

[link to www.examiner.com]

herp

5 stars!

I hate to say it, but our GOV. is very corrupt and at every level.

+1

Is Obama Even Worse Than Bush? A Call for Resistance
By DAVID SWANSON

When I advocated the impeachment of George W. Bush, I did so despite, not because of, all the animosity it fueled among impeachment supporters. I didn't want retribution. I wanted to deter the continuation and repetition of Bush's crimes and abuses. Specifically, and by far most importantly - and I said this thousands of times - I wanted to deny all future presidents the powers Bush had grabbed. One-time abuses can be catastrophic, but establishing the power to repeat them can multiply the damage many fold, especially when one of the powers claimed is the power to create new powers.

There's a common tendency to confuse politics with reality television shows or to imagine that politicians are, even more than fictional heroes, your own personal friends. This tendency is only compounded by the partisan framework in which we are instructed to imagine half the politicians as purely evil and the other half as essentially good. So, let's be clear. There's very little question that Barack Obama speaks more eloquently than Bush, and that Obama at times (and more so as a candidate than as a president) expresses far kinder and wiser sentiments than Bush. It seems quite likely to me that had Obama been made president in 2000 he would have done far less damage than Bush by 2008. Obama is probably a fun guy to play basketball with, while Bush might be expected to throw elbows, kick opponents, and pull your shorts down. But I'm interested in something more important than the spectacle of personality here. I think Obama would make a wonderful powerless figurehead, and I dearly wish that were what he was. I think Americans clearly need one.

Three rough ways of looking at a president might be as follows. First, in the unimaginable circumstance in which a president encountered a homeless person on the street, would he invite him to live in the White House, or help him find a home, be nice and give him $1, ignore him, shout at him to get a job, kick him in the guts, or help him into a van and take him off to be tortured? I don't care about that way of looking at presidents. Second, do the policies the president pursues lead to massive numbers of people becoming homeless or worse? Third, do the policies the president pursues empower all future presidents to make unfathomable numbers of people suffer horribly? My contention is that Obama has not yet done as much damage as Bush in the second view but has, in a certain sense, done worse in the third view.

CONTINUE AT: [link to www.counterpunch.org]

Why do I think Obama is worse than Bush?

1. Most of us knew what we were getting with Bush Obama just proved to be completely two faced. (Except me and few others who tried to warn everyone it was a false hope for a change in the wrong direction.)

2. Obama has done the exact opposite of what he promised. (No I am not surprised and told everyone I knew he would.)

3. Obama has had all this time to correct the mistakes of the past and instead he has made even worse ones (on purpose) in order to further destabilize this country. (Just like I said he would.)

Last Edited by LoVeLiGHT420 on 10/14/2011 04:11 AM

the administration could give a fuck about Holder. It is Clinton they are fucking scared shitless about.

I'm saying Obama & Clinton were both in on it and that specifically Obama is LYING about not having any knowledge or involvement. Obama would have to of given his approval for this.

WAG THE DOG

They are ALL in! All members of the Senate, Congress - ALL POLITICIANS are in!

That makes it so sad...

No matter who we vote for, they're all scumbags!

Thread: POLITICIANS # The World Would Be So Much Better Off Without Them # (Videos & articles)

Last Edited by RoXY on 10/14/2011 04:28 AM

LIES LIES LIES


[link to video.godlikeproductions.com]

There was a thread here with a Washington insider who said that Obama was overheard telling someone that he had a plan in motion that would be used to restrict US citizens' gun rights.

About 3 weeks later, the story about Fast and Furious broke.

Here are a few links about it, but the best I can't find.
Thread: *******OBAMA ORDERS LAUNCHED 'FAST AND FURIOUS' (Project Gunrunner)!!!!!!!!
[link to www.humanevents.com]
[link to newsflavor.com]

1+ for telling it like it like it is, OP.

Whats the over/under that Eric Holder gets "Ron Brown'd"?

Personally, I think this entire administration will go to the mat for him, as will the MSM. He is the legal Social Justice wing of the administration. He is defending Obamacare despite mass outcry against it, and States rejecting it. He is attacking States who passed common sense immigration laws. He HAS implemented plans to further erode the second amendment. He defends true racists and frees them from their deeds.

He's what the administration needs to complete the plan. And the "Journalists" are neck deep in it.

Hear Obama stutter.
Obama's body language tells it all: I am a LIAR.

Maybe Hillary told Barry, but not Eric. Or, more likely, Eric is the lying, racist piece of shit that he has shown himself to be repeatedly over the last two and a half years.

Sen. Grassley to ask for resignation of highest-level person who signed off on Fast and Furious

Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley told The Daily Caller on Thursday that he’ll call for the resignation of the highest-level government official who signed off on Operation Fast and Furious. At this point, though, he’s not sold on whether that person is Attorney General Eric Holder.

“I’m not going to ask for anybody’s resignation until I find out who signed off on this at the highest level of government — and then I’m going to ask for that person’s resignation,” Grassley said in a phone interview.

When TheDC asked Grassley if he thought Holder signed off on Fast and Furious, or at least knew about it, he wasn’t sure. “We’re going to answer that question before we stop this investigation,” Grassley said. “All I can say is, if [Holder] didn’t know about it, he should’ve known about it.”

more @ [link to dailycaller.com]

Then CNN compares Holder's testimony to what President Obama said in MARCH to CNN Espanol about the operation. "I heard on the news about this story that -- Fast and Furious, where allegedly guns were being run into Mexico, and ATF knew about it, but didn't apprehend those who had sent it."

Since when does the President have to watch the news to get his information???

[link to www.realclearpolitics.com]

Apart from CBS News, the mainstream media has essentially ignored “Fast and Furious.” Instead of reporting on the illegal sale and transport of more than 2,000 guns, the hundreds of deaths in Mexico that resulted, and the nearly sixty Fast and Furious weapons that have been recovered at crime scenes in the United States, they have simply continued business as usual: fulfilling their self-appointed role as defenders of the ruling class.

There is no other ready explanation for why a supposedly “free press” looks the other way when “the DHS, IRS, DEA, ATF, ICE, and the Obama Justice Department” are all named under oath as being tied to Fast and Furious in one way or another. The same media personalities that still get a sparkle in their eye when talking about Watergate staunchly refuse to report on what could and should be the biggest scandal in the last fifty years.

As I type, the talking heads on MSNBC are clearly more worried about Michele Bachmann’s promise to reinstate “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” should she win the presidency than they are with ascertaining who oversaw the sale of the weapons used to kill U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

Ultimately, the mainstream media ignores Fast and Furious for the same reasons they report the supposed racism of the Tea Party. They don’t want to do anything that might undermine the ruling class and usher in a changing of the guard.

read more: [link to pajamasmedia.com]

Why is it that people still seemed shocked to find out politicians are liars, vipers, criminals, drug addicts, thieves, perverts, murders and zealots?

Its nothing new, really, nothing shocking, nothing worthy of your time, much less your slave "vote" or your income, your attention or anger. This is true even on a local political level, unless you are trying to get something from them, turn your back on it, treat it like any other toxin in life.

Until you can do that, you will just be chasing your tail, its not going to change, get better or go away.

Im still trying to get that this fast and furious thing is all about, Im guessing it has nothing to do with Vin Diesel? Seems to be something only Americans understand.

Maybe it was when he had a meeting with the Brady's and he told Sarah Brady, "We are working on gun control, just under the radar." (That may not be his exact words but it was something very similar and he did use the phrase "under the radar")

Well, after that interview..do you think he went knocking on some doors....if he is not totally ignorant...he did..which means they (Holder-Obama) were aware of this the next day in March...Duh...and 40 million people will vote for these scumbags again in 2012..geezzzz