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Soap From Scratch - When the Preps Run Out

 
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Another good source of information is Kurt Saxon's Survivor Books.
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I use to make soap and candles for a living.

Just stock up on fels naptha....serves many purposes and it's only about a buck and a half.
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I use to make soap and candles for a living.

Just stock up on fels naptha....serves many purposes and it's only about a buck and a half.
 Quoting: DoodleBug


I used to have that in my laundry room! Best soap out there for stains. Where do you still find it?

And Doddlebug, feel free to chime in here with some more simpler soap recipes. Like liquid lye, coconut oil, water...stuff we can buy now and make much easier than the ash and fat method!

Last Edited by Planet Hopper on 10/15/2011 08:33 PM
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I use to make soap and candles for a living.

Just stock up on fels naptha....serves many purposes and it's only about a buck and a half.
 Quoting: DoodleBug


I used to have that in my laundry room! Best soap out there for stains. Where do you still find it?
 Quoting: Planet Hopper


Most grocery stores, especially the independent ones.

I actually saw it at a super walmart the other day also in the laundry section.

It's great for stains, poison ivy etc..
I grate it for laundry
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When TSHTF, people will die primarily from starvation, disease, and violence, in that order.

That fat you are using for your soap has very useful calories in it. Don't waste them on soap unless you already have full bellies.

But if you are lucky enough to already have enough food, then yes, make soap, by all means. You will need soap to clean your dishes, your food, and your wounds. Without proper sanitation, many will die from easily preventable diseases, like dysentery and cholera.

Lack of santitation will be a major problem, and many will die who didn't need to.
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I have the Foxfire Series that was my mothers. She was gonna throw them away! Lots of valuable info in them. I just bought a Hillbilly Cookbook today at an antique store. It has recipes for wild game. Old Boy Scout books are good too for lots of good info.book
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In many Pacific Islands they
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You can replace animal Fat with Olive oil, grape seed oil, hazelnut oil, hemp seed oil, lime oil,linseed oil, macadamia nut oil,olive oil, palm kernal oil, peanut oil pumpkin seed oil, safflower oil, sesame oil, shorting/ vegetable oil, soybean oil, sunflower oil, wheat germ oil and tea seed oil...that should do ya
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Here is an option to consider store a good suppy of soapnuts.

Soapnuts
[link to soapnuts.com]

Soap Nuts Pro
[link to soapnuts.com]
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Lye can be bought at Lowe's.
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I think the lady in the last vid mush have solidified.
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You can replace animal Fat with Olive oil, grape seed oil, hazelnut oil, hemp seed oil, lime oil,linseed oil, macadamia nut oil,olive oil, palm kernal oil, peanut oil pumpkin seed oil, safflower oil, sesame oil, shorting/ vegetable oil, soybean oil, sunflower oil, wheat germ oil and tea seed oil...that should do ya
 Quoting: freethinkingguy


Stop and think about something son: money ain't gonna be worth a shit so how are you gonna buy all those expensive oils you're talking about? Use what you got available,duh.
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There is an herb/flower that is called Soapwort, brought over to America on the ships and used for washing. Use the leaves and stems, heat in a enamel pan or stainless, makes a soapy mixture. Supposed to be for cleaning wool. Get some seeds and save, plus grow some in your yard, they are very pretty plants with a delicate pink flower!!!
I also hear yucca root can be used as a mild cleanser.
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excellent article ... sent you green karma..



So most of us here believe in some type of Preps. Problem is we don't know how long to prep for!

That calls for knowledge of how to do the basics. I highly recommend the foxfire series of books. Everything from fence making, food storage, to soap making.

Speaking of soap, how long till you run out if TSHTF?

Do you know the basic ingredients? No?

Lye



Fat

Water


So where do you get lye? Order it on the Internet right? LoL
Yes, most soap makers do just that. But in a shtf scenario with no electricity and no stores what then? How did our ancestors do this?

It's simple really. Lye comes from ashes. Water is combined or poured over coals and ashes creating lye, which is very caustic btw.

Fat from any fatty animal is boiled down (rendered), to similar temp of lye. Melted fat is combined with lye.. Detailed instuctions here: [link to www.grandpappy.info]

Usually takes a few days to firm up enough to cut.

I will fetch a few videos:
Here's one in making lye

9lbs of fat and lye water made in the sun!



crazy lady rendering fat (melting fat), which she bought 4 lbs of from a kill house.

oh and if you want it scented, buy a few bottles of essential oils or fragrance oils. Essentials are very concentrated. If you want to be fancy, add some dye.
 Quoting: Planet Hopper


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Brilliant video. Im surprised as how many people think this is apparenty 'gross' 'sick'.....This Is real soap without chemicals (which isnt a bad thing)!
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The only thing neeeded is Sodium Flouride to kill all backteria ;)
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Good to know. This is one of the things I was thinking about learning, thanks for the reminder. I think learning how to get water from air, how to catch and prep small game, and how to find roots and such that are edible are also a plus.
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lol
in a SHTF scenario
the last thing you want is lye soap.
animals can smell scents on your person
and can deviate away from you making
hunting game harder.

if you are going to hunt for your food,
then stay away from soap. Your game
will smell you coming. wash with plain
water is the best. no scent.
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I just want to double-emphasize your comment that "lye is very caustic". I know a women who lost parts of her fingers making homemade soap. Be VERY careful if you try it.
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lol
in a SHTF scenario
the last thing you want is lye soap.
animals can smell scents on your person
and can deviate away from you making
hunting game harder.

if you are going to hunt for your food,
then stay away from soap. Your game
will smell you coming. wash with plain
water is the best. no scent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3394264


this is also cause to avoid
heavy scents in a battle zone.
In Vietnam, lots of soldiers
just coming back to the
front lines from R&R were
killed because the Vietcong
tracked them by their scents.
You cannot remain undetected in the
bush if you smell like a brothel.
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A little tip on seperating the fat:
You put the fatty portions, like Nancy has in her pot,(from the video) in a pot and add water, then heat till fat has liquified. Take the pot off of the stove and let it cool.. the fat will rise to the top and solidify, the rest stays at the bottom with the water. Take the cooled fat out of the pan, (it lifts out as a solid) and continue your soap making process from there.

If you have pork fat, you can put it in a fry pan and on a medium heat, melt the fat.. you'll find some chunky pieces in the liquid fat, drain the liquid fat to cool and continue to fry the chunks..add some salt, or seasoned salt.. keep frying till they get crispy ..Those crispy bits are mm mm good to eat.
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lol
in a SHTF scenario
the last thing you want is lye soap.
animals can smell scents on your person
and can deviate away from you making
hunting game harder.

if you are going to hunt for your food,
then stay away from soap. Your game
will smell you coming. wash with plain
water is the best. no scent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3394264


this is also cause to avoid
heavy scents in a battle zone.
In Vietnam, lots of soldiers
just coming back to the
front lines from R&R were
killed because the Vietcong
tracked them by their scents.
You cannot remain undetected in the
bush if you smell like a brothel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3394264


Sort of hunting related...

Thread: A human faraday cage?
"If you do not go within
You WILL go without."

A wiser man than I

"Standing on truth
Ensures eternal support."

"There is a perfectly logical
explanation for everything
and
a logically perfect everything
for explanations."

A phellow earthling
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Thanks for that info OP! 5 *'s Great link and good reading for preparedness! :)

hf
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Who said anything about bathing itself?

Bathing is good maybe once or twice a week - soap is bad, even used once for anything. Bathing in FLOWING water is a necessity, bathing in a tub is just sitting in your own filth. A clean-water shower is all anyone needs.


If you grew up like a NORMAL person you would have picked and eaten your snot when younger - ever think that is one way your body 'injects' itself with bacteria in order to IMPROVE the immune system?

There is MORE bacteria under your fingernails DAILY than there is around a toilet seat, so if you pussies are so scared of germs then why not cut your fingers off!?

Any fool that buys antic-bacterial soap and 99.9% killer soap are only destroying themselves and their family - they are NOT helping ANYTHING, why do you think the hygiene market is so strong.

Stop eating so much disgusting filthy food as well and maybe your bodies won't pore out so much nasty smelling bacteria. All the rotting meat and fucked up junk food - eat healthy and suddenly your body is healthier and easier to manage - surprising, no?


Obviously, i'm not saying be a dumb fuck and not wash - i'm saying wash, but don't use poison - like all the shampoo and body shit in which most of you can't even pronounce the first ingredient.

All it takes is common sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward


Wow, wouldn't want to sit next to THIS on a hot day

sunahhh
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Why do you peeps keep using products made to enslave you!!??

Why do you need soap for - does any other animal need soap?

Did you know soap was originally created when they found part of the river where babies get sacrificed cleaned clothes better!?

Soap is also the leading cause of super-bugs in hospitals.

It also ages and destroys people's skins. How do you think all these retarded skin care products stay 'important' to the zombie sheep.


It just blows my mind still that so many people 'wake up' yet they continue to want and use what the 'enemy' has created.

I wonder how many fools here have that new iPhone that was just released.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1647831


Some of us are oily.

We need our soap!!!
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I also printed that out and put it in my prep book a few months ago. I have not tried it, but at least am prepared.

Thanks for the info. Green karma for you
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I also have a laundry soap recipe with the fels naptha. I use it all the time since I am a family of 8 and laundry soap is expensive. I put the oils you get from the dollar store for fragrance in it after it is all mixed. One batch makes enough for my family to use for about 4 months, and after buying the initial supplies, (about 10 bucks), you only need to buy the fels naptha. I estimate that I spend about a total of 15 bucks a year on laundry detergent. It works great too. Here is the recipe, hope you like it too.



This is a copy/paste of the recipe I use. I got it off the web last year but have no idea where or who to give credit to. This recipe and others like it have been posted here but until now I hadn't taken the time to break it down and determine how much I need of each ingredient. The calculations are listed at the bottom.

The Soap: The most typical type of soap to use is Fels Naptha. It is an old-fashioned type of soap usually found in the laundry aisle. The other options for soap are Ivory or another brand called, Zote. Any of these will work. If you use Ivory or your own homemade soap you will need to use the whole bar.

Washing Soda: This is not to be confused with baking soda. They are not the same thing. Washing soda is sodium carbonate or soda ash (baking soda is sodium bicarbonate). It is a white powder. Its purpose is to help remove dirt and orders. The brand to look for is Arm & Hammer Washing Soda. I find it in the laundry section of my grocery store. Many people have a hard time finding this locally. I know you can purchase it on-line, even through Amazon.com. I would also suggest asking your grocery store manager if it would be possible for the store to get it for you.

Borax: Borax is a naturally occurring mineral: Sodium Borate. It is a white powder. It’s purpose is as a laundry whitener and deodorizer. The brand to look for is 20 Mule Team. It comes in a 76 oz. box. You should be able to locate this in the laundry detergent aisle. Again as with the washing soda, if you cannot find it ask you store manager or look online.

Homemade Laundry Soap
1/3 bar Fels Naptha or other type of soap, as listed above
½ cup washing soda
½ cup borax powder
~You will also need a small bucket, about 2 gallon size~

Grate the soap and put it in a sauce pan. Add 6 cups water and heat it until the soap melts. Add the washing soda and the borax and stir until it is dissolved. Remove from heat. Pour 4 cups hot water into the bucket. Now add your soap mixture and stir. Now add 1 gallon plus 6 cups of water and stir. Let the soap sit for about 24 hours and it will gel. You use ½ cup per load.


The finished soap will not be a solid gel. It will be more of a watery gel that has been accurately described as an "egg drop soup" look.

The soap is a low sudsing soap. So if you don’t see suds, that is ok. Suds are not what does the cleaning, it is the ingredients in the soap. That also makes it safe and better for septic tanks.


If you want your soap to have some sort of scent you can scent this with ½ to 1 oz. of essential oil or fragrance oil of your choice. I buy the stuff from the dollar store in the little jars.

Calculations:

Washing Soda - 55 ounce box
1/2 Cup = 5 ounces
Each box has 11 "servings"

Borax - 76 ounce box
1/2 Cup = 3 ounces
Each box has 25 "servings"

Fels Naptha
Each bar has 3 "servings"

The items below will make 22 batches
You'll need:
2 boxes of Washing Soda (22 full recipes)
1 box of Borax (22 full recipes + 3 extra servings)
8 bars of Fels Naptha (22 full recipes +2 extra servings)

Also, I keep a spare whisk on top of my bucket because it does get "clumpy". Every time I refill my small/handy jug I give it a good whisk to make sure everything is evenly combined. And, as I do laundry I give my little jug a quick shake just to combine again401 298

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20 Mule Team

It's gonna take 60 mules to go through the hassle of acquiring and making that stuff.

Nice find though...

norespect
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20 Mule Team

It's gonna take 60 mules to go through the hassle of acquiring and making that stuff.

Nice find though...

norespect
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