Bow hunting for if the SHTF (input welcome) | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1549773 United States 10/20/2011 04:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | great post op, i've looked into this myself. with lots of kids and limited resources for prepping, what bows would you all suggest that balance cost/quality? Quoting: anonymous coward 1571947 thx all pretty much any recurves or long bows...box stores like Bass Pro or Academy etc will have your cheaper bows....most pro-shops deal more with custom etc...higher end bows...garage sells and ponshops have some too....just make sure the limbs are good...no cracks, delamination or warped... The Samick Sage takedown seems to be a lot of bow for the money. ETA: 3 rivers archery seems like a decent online retailer as well. yep...3 rivers archery is like the biggest online retailer...and cheapest! Thats what killed your pro-shops...thats why we don't carry alot of long bows or recurves anymore...just pro-line compounds and special orders on high-end recurves and long bows... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1549773 United States 10/20/2011 04:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You will get resistance from some rifle hunters who don't think a bow is a good enough weapon to hunt deer with. Personally I'm just sticking with a good 'old 30-30 marlin for deer hunting post SHTF. Everybody in the countryside is well armed so I'm hardly worried about a shot ringing out arousing suspicion. Don't get me wrong bows are fun recreational weapons but I just feel so inadequately armed walking into the wilderness with one looking for game. A high tech crossbow might be a better idea for post SHTF silent hunting IMO. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3700914 crossbows are very loud....but yes, they are fast... |
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General Troll, US Shillitary
(OP) User ID: 1327691 United States 10/20/2011 04:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP....the SHTF for real....how long do you think animal populations would survive while being hunted by everyone?....3 months TOPS....maybe less. Quoting: Burt Gummer Witness Soviet Russia, which after the WWII era was devoid of most wild animals due to hunting for food. They are STILL recovering to this day. True, but it's my hope that if more people learn to hunt responsibly, it will reduce the chances of over hunting. For example, in my little hunting grounds, I know that there is one dominant buck, one small buck, and there is one doe who (had) two fawns (both of which eaten by coyotes). If I would like to keep deer in my area, it makes the most sense to only try for the dominant buck. I do realize of course, that if people are starving, that changes the rules a bit. And, as I said earlier, hunting/trapping, etc., is only supplemental to the rest of my preps. To me, you should have supplies stored up, but also have the skills and means in which to procure more supplies. "What you have just said, is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point, in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul." |
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smokahontas
User ID: 3706434 United States 10/20/2011 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Studies show that half the population will be dead within a year if we lost eletricity. It will be easier to hunt then. Store up for a year and then we should be able to survive on the land again (barring nucleur shit) "I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire "Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley |
dookie stain User ID: 1404507 United States 10/20/2011 04:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP....the SHTF for real....how long do you think animal populations would survive while being hunted by everyone?....3 months TOPS....maybe less. Quoting: Burt Gummer Witness Soviet Russia, which after the WWII era was devoid of most wild animals due to hunting for food. They are STILL recovering to this day. well...thats something to think about...but my bows are also weapons...hence why we have so many...quiet and with compounds....can shoot 280 fps with just mine...now hubby...he has a long draw length and shoots 70 pounds...we plan on protecting our land and animals the best we can.... Your husband is indeed lucky to have a wife and hunting partner.....exceedingly rare nowadays......just don't tell me you like fishing too.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1549773 United States 10/20/2011 04:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP....the SHTF for real....how long do you think animal populations would survive while being hunted by everyone?....3 months TOPS....maybe less. Quoting: Burt Gummer Witness Soviet Russia, which after the WWII era was devoid of most wild animals due to hunting for food. They are STILL recovering to this day. well...thats something to think about...but my bows are also weapons...hence why we have so many...quiet and with compounds....can shoot 280 fps with just mine...now hubby...he has a long draw length and shoots 70 pounds...we plan on protecting our land and animals the best we can.... Your husband is indeed lucky to have a wife and hunting partner.....exceedingly rare nowadays......just don't tell me you like fishing too.... oh yea...he likes the bass fishing for sport...too much work to me...I like to kick back with a beer and crawpie fish...nice and peaceful...I can have two or three poles going and still relax... oh...and he is my ex hubby...but we are going to tie the knot again...lol |
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dookie stain User ID: 1404507 United States 10/20/2011 05:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP....the SHTF for real....how long do you think animal populations would survive while being hunted by everyone?....3 months TOPS....maybe less. Quoting: Burt Gummer Witness Soviet Russia, which after the WWII era was devoid of most wild animals due to hunting for food. They are STILL recovering to this day. I've heard hunters say more like 3 weeks.... Things are different...Around the WWII era a LOT more people were hunters or had hunting skillz in Russia and the USA.....not so much now....that might change the equation a bit.... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1549773 United States 10/20/2011 05:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP....the SHTF for real....how long do you think animal populations would survive while being hunted by everyone?....3 months TOPS....maybe less. Quoting: Burt Gummer Witness Soviet Russia, which after the WWII era was devoid of most wild animals due to hunting for food. They are STILL recovering to this day. I've heard hunters say more like 3 weeks.... Things are different...Around the WWII era a LOT more people were hunters or had hunting skillz in Russia and the USA.....not so much now....that might change the equation a bit.... ha...I never even thought of that....and you are right! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1556183 United States 10/20/2011 05:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have shot many deer with my bow 1 thing is only draw when Quoting: ar-15 nut they are looking away from you .And get string silencers aka cat whiskers so they do not jump the string when you release the string hello...they don't jump the string...it's been proven with video and slow motion that whitetail hear the arrow in flight...they used to say jumping the string....just wanted to let you know updated facts...they also see the color blue like we do flow orange....and never hunt turkey with white fletchings... proud owner of Mathews..."catch us if you can"! What...hear the arrow in flight? I'm pretty sure that even though my bow is fairly silent it would still be louder than the arrow in flight. The speed of sound is moving what probably about 3-4 times the speed of the arrow at the point of release from the string. Jumping the string so to speak makes perfect sense as they are just making a prey type of reaction to a sound. Deer that I have seen do this are already on "alert" mode as I call it and are ready to bolt at a split seconds notice. Calm deer going about their day with no idea I am sitting 20 feet above them have almost no reaction because their first reaction is to just look if they hear a sound when they are relaxed. If you could find the video that proves this I would love to see it. I'm a Hoyt guy btw haha Three weeks ago I had a decent 8 point 35 yards looking right at me as I let the arrow fly and he didn't even get close to jumping the string. Needless to say the arrow flew right under him as I misjudged the distance (very important with bow hunting) and if he jumped the string he would have killed him self. Got to get lucky sometimes with the stick in string when you are out looking for game. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1556183 United States 10/20/2011 05:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You will get resistance from some rifle hunters who don't think a bow is a good enough weapon to hunt deer with. Personally I'm just sticking with a good 'old 30-30 marlin for deer hunting post SHTF. Everybody in the countryside is well armed so I'm hardly worried about a shot ringing out arousing suspicion. Don't get me wrong bows are fun recreational weapons but I just feel so inadequately armed walking into the wilderness with one looking for game. A high tech crossbow might be a better idea for post SHTF silent hunting IMO. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3700914 crossbows are very loud....but yes, they are fast... Not some of the newer ones. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1549773 United States 10/20/2011 05:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have shot many deer with my bow 1 thing is only draw when Quoting: ar-15 nut they are looking away from you .And get string silencers aka cat whiskers so they do not jump the string when you release the string hello...they don't jump the string...it's been proven with video and slow motion that whitetail hear the arrow in flight...they used to say jumping the string....just wanted to let you know updated facts...they also see the color blue like we do flow orange....and never hunt turkey with white fletchings... proud owner of Mathews..."catch us if you can"! What...hear the arrow in flight? I'm pretty sure that even though my bow is fairly silent it would still be louder than the arrow in flight. The speed of sound is moving what probably about 3-4 times the speed of the arrow at the point of release from the string. Jumping the string so to speak makes perfect sense as they are just making a prey type of reaction to a sound. Deer that I have seen do this are already on "alert" mode as I call it and are ready to bolt at a split seconds notice. Calm deer going about their day with no idea I am sitting 20 feet above them have almost no reaction because their first reaction is to just look if they hear a sound when they are relaxed. If you could find the video that proves this I would love to see it. I'm a Hoyt guy btw haha Three weeks ago I had a decent 8 point 35 yards looking right at me as I let the arrow fly and he didn't even get close to jumping the string. Needless to say the arrow flew right under him as I misjudged the distance (very important with bow hunting) and if he jumped the string he would have killed him self. Got to get lucky sometimes with the stick in string when you are out looking for game. find the video on the internet...you will see the deer track the arrow in flight...eyes and head...and Hoyt risers are now made in Indonesia...no more Hoyt USA...I'll stick with American made... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1549773 United States 10/20/2011 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You will get resistance from some rifle hunters who don't think a bow is a good enough weapon to hunt deer with. Personally I'm just sticking with a good 'old 30-30 marlin for deer hunting post SHTF. Everybody in the countryside is well armed so I'm hardly worried about a shot ringing out arousing suspicion. Don't get me wrong bows are fun recreational weapons but I just feel so inadequately armed walking into the wilderness with one looking for game. A high tech crossbow might be a better idea for post SHTF silent hunting IMO. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3700914 crossbows are very loud....but yes, they are fast... Not some of the newer ones. we sell only high-end crossbows..retail $1500.00 and up, and even they are loud... |
dookie stain User ID: 1404507 United States 10/20/2011 05:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have an old compound bow, butfor stealth and survival...i use my arrows with modified SLINGSHOT. Taken lots of rabbit and even stream fish. Have been close enuff to deer to make it work, but had no permit Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1429950 Slingshot fishing.....now that's a new one....I'm kinda intrigued by the atlatl.....some people are hunting with them again.... |
General Troll, US Shillitary
(OP) User ID: 1327691 United States 10/20/2011 07:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have an old compound bow, butfor stealth and survival...i use my arrows with modified SLINGSHOT. Taken lots of rabbit and even stream fish. Have been close enuff to deer to make it work, but had no permit Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1429950 Slingshot fishing.....now that's a new one....I'm kinda intrigued by the atlatl.....some people are hunting with them again.... A slingbow? "What you have just said, is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point, in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2730377 United States 10/20/2011 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, during my time away from GLP, I've still been prepping a little bit at a time. One of the skills that I've decided to learn is bowhunting game. Quoting: General Troll, US Shillitary There are a few different advantages to bowhunting over using a firearm, especially in a SHTF scenario. 1.) Stealth. You may not want everybody in a 20 mile radius to know that you are well armed or well fed. 2.) Diversity. A bow, especially a traditional bow, opens up the possibilities of different types of game you can hunt. With guns, you may need several types of ammunition for different situations. With arrows, you only need a couple different types of arrows that you can usually re-use. 3.) Portability. A take-down recurve bow will fit in your bug out bag. There are several models out there that don't even require tools to assemble. 4.) Availability of ammunition. While it is not as easy as breaking off a stick, sharpening the end, and pointing it down range, with some skills, ingenuity, and some time/patience, you can make your own arrows, bowstring, or even your own bow. During my short time of learning, there are a few key elements that most beginners should focus on. I'm by no means an expert, so if I miss something, chime in. A.) Form. Consistent is key here. A loose grip on the bow, steady/smooth draw, consistent anchor points, and follow through are all very important. B.) Equipment. Don't get a bow that is too difficult to pull back on. In the case of traditional bows, draw weights are measured at a draw length of 28 inches. Anything 45 pounds and up should be sufficient for hunting larger game like deer. You want something that you can use consistently. C.) Practice, Practice, Practice. Buy or make a target and throw some arrows downrange. As far as hunting goes, there are a few things that are key regardless of what it is you are hunting. 1.) Know your quarry. Where they live, when they travel, where they travel, what they eat, what predators besides you are doing, etc. It's not as simple as you may think. 2.) Know your hunting area. Other critters, neighbors, landmarks, etc. Try to absorb as much as possible. Also, know your state hunting regulations. While they may not matter if the SHTF, you don't want to get busted when you're just getting started. 3.) Know yourself. Nothing in the woods smells like a person except a person. For bowhunting deer, scent management is paramount. For Elk, or squirrels, not so much. These are just a few of the things that I've learned so far. I would love to hear from other hunters and other hunting stories or even philosophies. I really have no desire to kill an animal, but I would like to feed my family if the SHTF. By learning now, I can do that in a humane manner that is responsible and possibly beneficial. :deer: rather impractical weapon for SHTF days..sure its quite but bulky, limited range and those arrows are over $10 a piece of course you can go Indian, but the range is cut to 20 yards. a good old 22lr is the best shtf weapon, its deadly, ver deadly and can drop most any game. there are very few animals of any size that can take a 22 to the brain and live. You can pack 2000 rounds in a fanny pack. keep your hi power rifles and fancy compound bows, when you've emptied your clips and quivers, i'll still have another 1500 shots at your ass |
General Troll, US Shillitary
(OP) User ID: 1327691 United States 10/20/2011 07:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "What you have just said, is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point, in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul." |
lastcent
User ID: 1566486 United States 10/20/2011 08:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | archery is a great skill in many ways.makes you a better shot all around.strengthens muscles vision distance judge ment stealth.you miss with an arrow you scare a few animals.a gunshot even a 22 alerts all animals including humans.it is very addictive.i live on a few acres near public land.i dont allow hunting on my property so if shtf can harvest what i need for a while. also in a survival situation seasons baiting etc are moot.also many animals you eat everyday are diseased.you think they inspect every chicken really.most ponds here in midwest are stocked.put out set lines with multiple baited hooks.check it at night.carp bullheads sunfish turtles frogs all protien.make it a year or 2 and you will probably have the area to yourself anyway. Look at the cawk on that dawg Education is a process,not a result |
Zero Point
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General Troll, US Shillitary
(OP) User ID: 1327691 United States 10/20/2011 11:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The best explanation of instinctive shooting I have heard, is comparing it to throwing a baseball. Your mind naturally sizes up the distance and you know whento release. I know this takes many years of practice, so for the time being I'm using an old Cobra sight to help me out. I'm also using an elevated rest with a plunger and shooting fingers. Quoting: General Troll, US Shillitary Also, a two bladed broadhead is a great deer hunting broadhead for a recurve. Right now I have some Magnus ones (I think "buzz saws"?) that seem to fly like field points. Magnus stingers are great heads...fixed and cut on contact...your using the buzz cut....good choice! Thanks! I'm still learning a lot. I have my tags, and I'm seeing some deer, but no shots yet. I feel comfortable out to 20 yards or so, but I wouldn't try anything further, even with my 60#. "What you have just said, is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point, in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul." |
General Troll, US Shillitary
(OP) User ID: 1307432 United States 10/21/2011 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Heading out tomorrow, wish me luck "What you have just said, is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point, in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul." |
Daikirai
User ID: 1528322 Netherlands 10/21/2011 01:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm getting a Samick Polaris tomorrow, it's a starters/hunting bow ~because I'm just a beginner. [link to samicksports.com] After some more experience I think I want this one: [link to www.hoyt.com] Last Edited by Daikirai on 10/21/2011 01:03 PM Chi pecora si fa, il lupo se la mangia |
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General Troll, US Shillitary
(OP) User ID: 1307432 United States 10/21/2011 01:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good hunting! Quoting: Daikirai I'm getting a Samick Polaris tomorrow, it's a starters/hunting bow ~because I'm just a beginner. [link to samicksports.com] After some more experience I think I want this one: [link to www.hoyt.com] I was actually going to buy the Samick Sage, but I found such a great deal on the Hawkeye (black widow clone) that I couldn't resist. Maybe in a few years I'll actually be able to afford a black widow [link to www.blackwidowbows.com] "What you have just said, is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point, in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul." |
Daikirai
User ID: 1528322 Netherlands 10/21/2011 01:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was actually going to buy the Samick Sage, but I found such a great deal on the Hawkeye (black widow clone) that I couldn't resist. Quoting: General Troll, US Shillitary Maybe in a few years I'll actually be able to afford a black widow [link to www.blackwidowbows.com] I love the look of those! Seems like they're 100% wood? A one-piece should be great, but it doesn't fit in your bugout bag though. ;) Chi pecora si fa, il lupo se la mangia |
Jack73
User ID: 1438649 United States 10/21/2011 01:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Use a long bow not a compound, once its broke its useless. Buy the Army survival , evasion and recovery book. Teaches how to set traps and snares in all regions of the planet, for all types of game. Buy the 1881 household cyclopedia(amazon) teaches you how to dress, skin, preserve, and store without electricity and refridgeration. Also how to pickle, can , salt all types of game. You can kill but if it spoils its pointless. And op is right practice practice practice, the best bow hunter in the world or the best shot will not be so good if fighting for his life or paniced, things must be second nature to handle under fire. Good luck all! Quoting: smokahontas or you can go here and download it for free [link to www.mspong.org] |