Revolution? Beatles lyrics speak truth! "Occupiers" must see this! | |
OmarEastwind
(OP) User ID: 1493015 United States 11/30/2011 01:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You say you want a revolution Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3234092 Well you know We'd all want to change the world The Beatles members, Lennon in particular, got close to some very radical elements in the late 60's early 70's including some fringe members of the Manson family. These radicals tried to co-opt the Beatles and use them as messengers of radical, violent social change. Upon closer inspection, Beatles members realized what their new radical friends were really proposing and attempted to distance themselves from them. Remember, this was at a time of violent protests, bombings, assassinations, etc. and the song "Revolution" was written against the violence and calls for violent government overthrow. Lennon believed that love was the answer, not destruction or violent socialist imposition. He was later found out to be a big fan of Ronald Reagan. As this applies to these OWS goons, again their movement is based in hate and envy, two of man's most destructive vices. That's why it can only beget more hatred. If Lennon were alive today, he would oppose OWS vehemently. Excellent post! So true... |
OmarEastwind
(OP) User ID: 1493015 United States 11/30/2011 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Funny, I was just thinking of this song last week. The line about Chairman Mao kept running around in my mind. Quoting: ChopinRocks Great topic and thread op. The Beattles were certainly one of a kind and the best rock group ever! They're determination to write music that made you think and reflect makes them so. Thanks! I agree about the Beatles...even after 40 years, their message of peace and love and respect comes through. I'm not seeing much of that in the Occupy folks... We can change the world and our minds without hate and violence and destruction. Yes, we can! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6298541 United States 11/30/2011 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I like you OmarEastwind. Great song...it made me feel better. I think we need to revolt against the Federal Reserve System and take over the US Treasury. Or maybe Mother Nature will simply shrug her shoulders and all the Money in the World won't help...Globalization will be dead. I would like to revolt against Corporations and turn them into a Cooperative Business Model or employee-owned enterprises. I don't believe that people need some overly-paid CEO to run a business...in fact, they usually ruin the business. Good day, OmarEastwind. Post a Beatle tune any time you want. I miss John and George so much. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 6170577 United States 11/30/2011 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You say you want a revolution Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3234092 Well you know We'd all want to change the world The Beatles members, Lennon in particular, got close to some very radical elements in the late 60's early 70's including some fringe members of the Manson family. These radicals tried to co-opt the Beatles and use them as messengers of radical, violent social change. Upon closer inspection, Beatles members realized what their new radical friends were really proposing and attempted to distance themselves from them. Remember, this was at a time of violent protests, bombings, assassinations, etc. and the song "Revolution" was written against the violence and calls for violent government overthrow. Lennon believed that love was the answer, not destruction or violent socialist imposition. He was later found out to be a big fan of Ronald Reagan. As this applies to these OWS goons, again their movement is based in hate and envy, two of man's most destructive vices. That's why it can only beget more hatred. If Lennon were alive today, he would oppose OWS vehemently. Excellent post! So true... One of the cheif infiltrators / co-opters of the Beatles was Abby Hoffman, who was a Maoist. Hoffman was later arrested for stoking violence and riots at the 1968 Democrat convention in Chicago. He was also involved with Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground. |
OmarEastwind
(OP) User ID: 1493015 United States 11/30/2011 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I like you OmarEastwind. Great song...it made me feel better. I think we need to revolt against the Federal Reserve System and take over the US Treasury. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6298541 Or maybe Mother Nature will simply shrug her shoulders and all the Money in the World won't help...Globalization will be dead. I would like to revolt against Corporations and turn them into a Cooperative Business Model or employee-owned enterprises. I don't believe that people need some overly-paid CEO to run a business...in fact, they usually ruin the business. Good day, OmarEastwind. Post a Beatle tune any time you want. I miss John and George so much. I like you too, and that was one of the kindest things anyone has said to me in a while...thank you! I would love to end the Fed! And end all government money that goes to any corporations! And lots of other things like that... I think if we all took a few minutes to read the Constitution of the US, we might see a beautiful document it is. It's like a rare diamond, that we have heaped garbage and poop on for 200 years... The govt. today bears little resemblance to the original intent of the founders. Sadly...but it might not be too late... Thank you again for your kind words and Beatle support! |
OmarEastwind
(OP) User ID: 1493015 United States 11/30/2011 02:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You say you want a revolution Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3234092 Well you know We'd all want to change the world The Beatles members, Lennon in particular, got close to some very radical elements in the late 60's early 70's including some fringe members of the Manson family. These radicals tried to co-opt the Beatles and use them as messengers of radical, violent social change. Upon closer inspection, Beatles members realized what their new radical friends were really proposing and attempted to distance themselves from them. Remember, this was at a time of violent protests, bombings, assassinations, etc. and the song "Revolution" was written against the violence and calls for violent government overthrow. Lennon believed that love was the answer, not destruction or violent socialist imposition. He was later found out to be a big fan of Ronald Reagan. As this applies to these OWS goons, again their movement is based in hate and envy, two of man's most destructive vices. That's why it can only beget more hatred. If Lennon were alive today, he would oppose OWS vehemently. Excellent post! So true... One of the cheif infiltrators / co-opters of the Beatles was Abby Hoffman, who was a Maoist. Hoffman was later arrested for stoking violence and riots at the 1968 Democrat convention in Chicago. He was also involved with Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground. Really? I haven't hear or read that anywhere...do you have a link or book reference? Interesting.... |
OmarEastwind
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Captain Spaulding User ID: 6289341 United States 11/30/2011 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Zappa wrote Quoting: Captain Spaulding 6289341 All of your children are poor unfortunate victims of system beyond you control, a plague upon you ignorance and the grey despair of your ugly lives. All of your children are victims of the lies you believe. A plague upon your ignorance that keeps the young from the truth they deserve. He wanted people to think for themselves, to not destroy their minds with drugs and was aware of the significance and social impact and of art on society by not limiting it to a corporate money making scheme. He was blacklisted from commercial radio because of Warner Bros and puritan politics. Like banned from Oklahoma for his Jazz From Hell album. The state deemed it as vulgar. It was musical, with no lyrics and had a picture of him with a short haircut, wearing a shirt and tie. Where's the vulgarity? In the censorship of art, that's where. Kudos to you for Zappa, another great! Thanks ChopinRocks. Chopin DOES rock. I'm into classical, jazz, OLD country, experimental, WAY into Mozart. Sounds like you have even a more positive attitude towards real art in music. Zappa's my mentor for what he achieved in his all too short lifetime. Wouldn't you agree that TPTB are afraid of true creativity? A society of originals is not a society and all that. That's how the "depth" in pop music fails me. I just don't see the cultural significance. But you have a great attitude that makes me think maybe I'm missing something. Have a great day... |
The_Viceroy
User ID: 6170577 United States 11/30/2011 03:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6170577 The Beatles members, Lennon in particular, got close to some very radical elements in the late 60's early 70's including some fringe members of the Manson family. These radicals tried to co-opt the Beatles and use them as messengers of radical, violent social change. Upon closer inspection, Beatles members realized what their new radical friends were really proposing and attempted to distance themselves from them. Remember, this was at a time of violent protests, bombings, assassinations, etc. and the song "Revolution" was written against the violence and calls for violent government overthrow. Lennon believed that love was the answer, not destruction or violent socialist imposition. He was later found out to be a big fan of Ronald Reagan. As this applies to these OWS goons, again their movement is based in hate and envy, two of man's most destructive vices. That's why it can only beget more hatred. If Lennon were alive today, he would oppose OWS vehemently. Excellent post! So true... One of the cheif infiltrators / co-opters of the Beatles was Abby Hoffman, who was a Maoist. Hoffman was later arrested for stoking violence and riots at the 1968 Democrat convention in Chicago. He was also involved with Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground. Really? I haven't hear or read that anywhere...do you have a link or book reference? Interesting.... [link to www.google.com] [link to www.google.com] [link to books.google.com] [link to books.google.com] Last Edited by The_Viceroy on 11/30/2011 03:05 PM |
OmarEastwind
(OP) User ID: 1493015 United States 11/30/2011 03:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't buy the revisionist history about MLK...listen to his actual words. Please watch and listen: |
OmarEastwind
(OP) User ID: 1493015 United States 11/30/2011 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One of the cheif infiltrators / co-opters of the Beatles was Abby Hoffman, who was a Maoist. Hoffman was later arrested for stoking violence and riots at the 1968 Democrat convention in Chicago. He was also involved with Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground. Really? I haven't hear or read that anywhere...do you have a link or book reference? Interesting.... [link to www.google.com] [link to www.google.com] [link to books.google.com] [link to books.google.com] Nice! Thanks for the book links especially...I'll be reading those over the next few days. |
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OmarEastwind
(OP) User ID: 1493015 United States 11/30/2011 03:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | unless you know otherwise they're singing about a hyperthetical revoloution? well how did it turn out? was it success? this peaceful revoloution? can you point me toward even one peaceful revoloution that had a good outcome? I doubt it. It's just pure fantasy. a good tune all the same. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3238505 I am not a particularly wise person, so I'll have to let the very wise, Martin Luther King, explain about non-violence: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4302482 United States 11/30/2011 03:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You say you want a revolution Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3234092 Well you know We'd all want to change the world The Beatles members, Lennon in particular, got close to some very radical elements in the late 60's early 70's including some fringe members of the Manson family. These radicals tried to co-opt the Beatles and use them as messengers of radical, violent social change. Upon closer inspection, Beatles members realized what their new radical friends were really proposing and attempted to distance themselves from them. Remember, this was at a time of violent protests, bombings, assassinations, etc. and the song "Revolution" was written against the violence and calls for violent government overthrow. Lennon believed that love was the answer, not destruction or violent socialist imposition. He was later found out to be a big fan of Ronald Reagan. As this applies to these OWS goons, again their movement is based in hate and envy, two of man's most destructive vices. That's why it can only beget more hatred. If Lennon were alive today, he would oppose OWS vehemently. Excellent post! So true... Ronald Reagan and friends supported the biggest advanced and secretive military weapons buildup in the history of the world! It was call STAR WARS! Where do you think Directed Energy Weapons, like electrolasers, came from, thin air? The stupidity and hypocrisy of the people on this website who support "Reaganomics" is astounding! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4481981 United States 11/30/2011 03:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | unless you know otherwise they're singing about a hyperthetical revoloution? well how did it turn out? was it success? this peaceful revoloution? can you point me toward even one peaceful revoloution that had a good outcome? I doubt it. It's just pure fantasy. a good tune all the same. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3238505 yeah - Mahatma Ghandi thought the same |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4481981 United States 11/30/2011 03:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | unless you know otherwise they're singing about a hyperthetical revoloution? well how did it turn out? was it success? this peaceful revoloution? can you point me toward even one peaceful revoloution that had a good outcome? I doubt it. It's just pure fantasy. a good tune all the same. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3238505 yeah - Mahatma Ghandi thought the same |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6304755 South Africa 11/30/2011 03:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good idea! Show this to the occupiers here on GLP. Lets see what they have to say. This should be a fascinating conversation to hear their response to the words of truth from the Beatles! Except... for some strange reason there just don't seem to ever BE any occupiers here on GLP. Funny that. If you look at any other forums they are there. Just not here. How very strange. You don't suppose... |
OmarEastwind
(OP) User ID: 1493015 United States 11/30/2011 03:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You say you want a revolution Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3234092 Well you know We'd all want to change the world The Beatles members, Lennon in particular, got close to some very radical elements in the late 60's early 70's including some fringe members of the Manson family. These radicals tried to co-opt the Beatles and use them as messengers of radical, violent social change. Upon closer inspection, Beatles members realized what their new radical friends were really proposing and attempted to distance themselves from them. Remember, this was at a time of violent protests, bombings, assassinations, etc. and the song "Revolution" was written against the violence and calls for violent government overthrow. Lennon believed that love was the answer, not destruction or violent socialist imposition. He was later found out to be a big fan of Ronald Reagan. As this applies to these OWS goons, again their movement is based in hate and envy, two of man's most destructive vices. That's why it can only beget more hatred. If Lennon were alive today, he would oppose OWS vehemently. Excellent post! So true... Ronald Reagan and friends supported the biggest advanced and secretive military weapons buildup in the history of the world! It was call STAR WARS! Where do you think Directed Energy Weapons, like electrolasers, came from, thin air? The stupidity and hypocrisy of the people on this website who support "Reaganomics" is astounding! We're talking about peaceful revolution, letting go of hate, getting our minds straight, unconditional love, etc...not Reaganomics or laser beams (as if Obama isn't bombing the hell out of people as we speak). What are your thought about those subjects? |
OmarEastwind
(OP) User ID: 1493015 United States 11/30/2011 04:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good idea! Show this to the occupiers here on GLP. Lets see what they have to say. This should be a fascinating conversation to hear their response to the words of truth from the Beatles! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6304755 Except... for some strange reason there just don't seem to ever BE any occupiers here on GLP. Funny that. If you look at any other forums they are there. Just not here. How very strange. You don't suppose... Suppose what? Don't leave us hangin'! Thanks for your comments! I don't think we're going to see much "fascinating conversation" though, unfortunately. But I have hope... Check out those MLK videos I posted...hard to ignore his peaceful message, and that it's been distorted by the "movement" today. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 6306394 United States 11/30/2011 05:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He was later found out to be a big fan of Ronald Reagan. Quoting: 577I have never heard this. Actually the opposite. As a matter of fact, I have always been told that "Come Together " was a protest song written in an attempt to keep Reagan out of the California governership. you got a source? |
OmarEastwind
(OP) User ID: 1493015 United States 11/30/2011 06:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He was later found out to be a big fan of Ronald Reagan. Quoting: 577I have never heard this. Actually the opposite. As a matter of fact, I have always been told that "Come Together " was a protest song written in an attempt to keep Reagan out of the California governership. you got a source? I've never heard that either, but even it were true, so what? Despite the liberal rhetoric, Reagan was a good president and a good man. Do we have to hate everybody? Or can we ignore "leaders" who preach hate? |
The_Viceroy
User ID: 6170577 United States 11/30/2011 06:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | unless you know otherwise they're singing about a hyperthetical revoloution? well how did it turn out? was it success? this peaceful revoloution? can you point me toward even one peaceful revoloution that had a good outcome? I doubt it. It's just pure fantasy. a good tune all the same. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3238505 I am not a particularly wise person, so I'll have to let the very wise, Martin Luther King, explain about non-violence: The civil rights movement was fueled by love of mankind and man's better qualities. OWS is fueled by hatred and envy, two of man's most destructive vices. That is the difference and the reason that OWS will never resonate with the majority. |
dschis1000
User ID: 658956 United States 11/30/2011 06:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Way back in the olden days, the 1960's, the Beatles were the greatest thing around. They sang about revolution during the riotous and chaotic times we lived in then. Quoting: OmarEastwind I was listening to their song "Revolution" just a few days ago...really listening to the lyrics and I realized how profound the song really is. I listened to the lyrics in view of the present day "Occupy" movement (supported by Obama) and knew that I should share this song with GLP folks. Please take a few minutes to listen to the Beatles...thanks! Comparing these days to the 60s is absolutely rediculous. This is more applicable or soon will be |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1039548 United States 12/01/2011 12:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Zappa wrote Quoting: Captain Spaulding 6289341 All of your children are poor unfortunate victims of system beyond you control, a plague upon you ignorance and the grey despair of your ugly lives. All of your children are victims of the lies you believe. A plague upon your ignorance that keeps the young from the truth they deserve. He wanted people to think for themselves, to not destroy their minds with drugs and was aware of the significance and social impact and of art on society by not limiting it to a corporate money making scheme. He was blacklisted from commercial radio because of Warner Bros and puritan politics. Like banned from Oklahoma for his Jazz From Hell album. The state deemed it as vulgar. It was musical, with no lyrics and had a picture of him with a short haircut, wearing a shirt and tie. Where's the vulgarity? In the censorship of art, that's where. Kudos to you for Zappa, another great! Thanks ChopinRocks. Chopin DOES rock. I'm into classical, jazz, OLD country, experimental, WAY into Mozart. Sounds like you have even a more positive attitude towards real art in music. Zappa's my mentor for what he achieved in his all too short lifetime. Wouldn't you agree that TPTB are afraid of true creativity? A society of originals is not a society and all that. That's how the "depth" in pop music fails me. I just don't see the cultural significance. But you have a great attitude that makes me think maybe I'm missing something. Have a great day... Don't know if you'll read this since it took a while but yes, I do agree that creativity is not what they want. The local elementary school here just cut out the art and music programs to save money. Sad... Zappa always reminded me of the Lenny Bruce of music. I also want to add that I'd put Malcolm X in the category of persons 'they' don't want you to know about. Notice how all the attention is given to Martin Luther King but never Malcolm X. He was a dangerous man. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6341868 South Africa 12/01/2011 08:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I also want to add that I'd put Malcolm X in the category of persons 'they' don't want you to know about. Notice how all the attention is given to Martin Luther King but never Malcolm X. He was a dangerous man. Quoting: ChopinRocks Interesting what you are saying here. Dangerous people and dangerous ideas are always silenced. But dangerous to whom? To those wielding the power of course. And the question really is this: is that which is good for those in power also good for the rest of us. To put it another way: are the slaves best interests met by the things the masters want? And the answer is that they never are. TPTB's best interests are not our best interests. In every instance, it is in our best interests that the people silenced by TPTB should rather have been allowed to speak. No form of censorship is in OUR best interests. It doesn't matter if that censorship takes the form of the murder of the one speaking, the imprisonment or exile of the one speaking, the threatening of the personal safety of the one speaking or even just the deletion of the words presented in newspapers or... especially... internet forums. Censorship in any form is never in OUR best interests. When it happens WE are being manipulated. And that is NEVER good for us. THINK about what I am saying. Are you being manipulated? Are you reading all the words that you might? Or is some percentage of the thoughts that might be helpful to you in forming a balanced opinion being removed from your sight before you can even read them. THINK. If you are in doubt, try a little experiment. Try, just for fun, to express some ideas that are "on the other side of the fence". See what happens to those ideas. If they are silenced then you have obviously been manipulated. Lied to. Purposefully and intentionally lead astray. A good idea is then to ask yourself WHY and by WHOM. Things are never as they seem. |
OmarEastwind
(OP) User ID: 1493015 United States 12/01/2011 08:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | unless you know otherwise they're singing about a hyperthetical revoloution? well how did it turn out? was it success? this peaceful revoloution? can you point me toward even one peaceful revoloution that had a good outcome? I doubt it. It's just pure fantasy. a good tune all the same. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3238505 I am not a particularly wise person, so I'll have to let the very wise, Martin Luther King, explain about non-violence: The civil rights movement was fueled by love of mankind and man's better qualities. OWS is fueled by hatred and envy, two of man's most destructive vices. That is the difference and the reason that OWS will never resonate with the majority. You are correct, sir! And that info about John Lennon was very interesting and encouraging, somehow. It's nice to know that Lennon was flexible enough to look back at his youth and say "wow...I was very naive"... I'm sad though, to watch so many of my friends jump on the Occupy bandwagon and to watch them give up the love and embrace hate. Just because somebody told them to... I will continue to remind them about what Martin Luther King actually said...not what the "new left" tells us MLK was all about. |
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