New York governor urges mandatory DNA samples, will propose a bill requiring collection of DNA for felony or misdemeanor crime

Seriously, how much more can the American people take?

How messed up does everything have to be until there are mass protests in every major city?

Everyday that goes by, we are less and less free.

All they have to do to get your DNA anyway is to subpena any hospital or clinic where blood samples have been drawn from the suspect, this is the most common way they do it when the suspect sites his 5th amendment rights. If they can't do it that way, they will pull you over and charge you with DUI, and get the sample that way.

they do it once you are convicted hence you are already in custody

The main thing to remember when dealing with any government agency or bureaucracy is that they are NOT ever to be considered honest and they believe inherently that the fact that they are part of the government that laws and regulations do not apply to them and they are automatically above them. For the most part, since they refuse to enforce the rules upon each other, they are.

For instance, during the prosecution of a suspect the police, the accuser and the district attorney and sometimes even the accused persons public defender often conspire to convict the accused, more often than not breaking , twisting and completely ignoring the rules governing their conduct. America's prisons are full of innocent people who have pissed off the wrong people and many hundreds of innocent people have actually been given the death penalty.

If there is one just argument against the death penalty it is this, that there is no way to be absolutely certain of a persons guilt and once they're dead you can't take it back.

We now have technology that can determine to within a 99.98% chance whether a person is telling the truth or not, and there are literally thousands of cases where people have passed these tests and been found guilty anyway.

What this proves is not only is the criminal justice/law enforcement bureaucracy incompetent, they are are not interested in justice

I remember when this cocksucker Coumos father Mario was governor back when I lived in New York,, they tried to tax the casinos on the Akwesasne Mohawk reservation.

BAD MOVE.

I was there, with the warrior society and we ran the cowards off. Man the stories I could tell you but that's another thread.

To put it in a nutsehll the state police invaded the reservation out of their legal jurisdiction, engaged in criminal acts including arson , destruction of private property and assault of minors, the youngest a little boy of five who had his skull fractured by a troopers billy club for biting him on the leg.

A state rogue cop was captured m dozens of police cars burned, and a police helicopter shot down, along with the shutting down of the international bridge when the customs station took fire. That's when Coumo backed off.

The Mohawk nation has never been subdued militarily or by treaty, they own tier territory which is neither Canada or the United states.

what do you find disturbing with them collecting DNA from CONVICTED PsOS ?
are you aware how many felons etc they catch simply from them being so stupid and jumping the subway turnstile ? which IS a lesser crime a simple fare beating ain't sPit but if they act even dumber and refuse to produce their ID ??? or are a recent felon still on the loose ??? burden of proof bites them in the arse.

these are convicted WHATEVERS.

as for having to swipe your drivers license to purchase gas ??? they can go and ......... ........ .

same as having to sign out dranO etc in IL.
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You don't get it dickhead, read the fourth and fifth amendments then shut the fuck up

If the prosecution has access to the accused persons DNA, how would you ever know whether it was planted or not? Let's say they subpena the accused persons blood from a local hospital, sprinkle it around the victims apartment , and tie the accused to the crime that way? remember how OJ got off? Furman did just that.

The answer is, you wouldn't, and there would be no way to determine guilt or innocence using DNA. IF however no DNA database existed, a person who was innocent could VOLUNTEER to wave his fifth amendment rights to give up evidence against himself witht eh court odering the sample destroyed once the test was made.
Allowing the government to maintain a DNA data base opens up the possibility they could frame anyone they wanted to

Frame me up, Put me in prison, shut me up, I'm dangerous to your agenda. Keep the children away from me, my thinking is dangerous, it might infect them with the TRUTH to hear me speak.

But remember this as you conspire against me, the one who rides with me and guides my spirit and my actions will never allow your actions to go unpunished, and you will as my creator promised me suffer for your deeds, and you'll remember me then.

Ti isicola nains te!!

Correct! And I had not thought of that.

This is very important.

And that is why at this moment I am being persecuted for a crime I did not commit, a crime which is well beyond my known moral boundaries, a crime for which I have been framed in order to shut me up and make my words incredibly and unbelievable to those who hear them. On 911 i came on this forum and told the people here what had happened, and who had done it ans why. At that time i was threatened with death, now the majority know the same thing I did that day.

Most of the independent thinkers with a high degree of intelligence have already been silenced. The only reason i haven't is because of my bloodline.

newsflash: if you were born 1970-1980's or possibly earlier they can easily get your dna and have been doing this for years from birth.

study some forensics.

not a good thing, not advocating. but OLD technology.

I believe that almost everyone has a dossier with their DNA profile in it by now.DNA can be gathered easily in many different ways, a discarded cigarette butt, a pair of used underpants, if they can get in your house it's a sure bet they can get a DNA sample.

As for samples, I am not convinced one way or another as to the extent as to which they exist but I am certain they are doing everything they can covertly to form a DNA database, for several reasons.

I know hospitals are eager to take blood samples for the strangest of reasons (I was once given a blood test complaining of anxiety) and often wonder what they do with them when they're done with their testing, if they test them at all.

Yeah, they do this in California prisons. I was there when they first started in 2005 and they lined us up like cattle.
Weeks later, quite a few dudes were taken for crimes like murder and rape from these DNA samples.

I am all for it.

Last Edited by Gnostic Warrior on 01/06/2012 08:35 AM

Do these putrid cocksuckers EVER stop?? Even for a day or two?

I guess not, since Satan never sleeps.

take my blood and ill leave you an african AIDS sample, how's that

dude. sorry but your DNA is already on file. everybody's is.

not advocating it. just saying. this is old old old old and been around since forever..plus they can go back 40+ years and get DNA from just about anything.

They already do that here. Also in schools, kids get their DNA taken by the cops if the parents agree. It is done so that the police can identify them if they go missing.

Of course you are.

After reading many of your idiotic posts, I've determined that you are all for ANYTHING draconian and tyrannical.

You absolutely LOVE the NWO, and Big Brothers dick up everybody's asses.

In reality, you are just another doomed imbecile, like the rest of your little buddies in the various sold-out secret societies, who are FORCING this degenerate, sick twisted NWO slave planet on everybody.

But... God will have the last laugh. Read Psalm 2.

Might want to read Revealtion 18 also, shit-fer-brains.

Sad that you idiots will HAVE to learn the hard way, after it's wayyy too late.

But that's the way evil is... Proud, arrogant, and stubborn.

Enjoy your short future, ya idiot.

NEW JERSEY POLITICIANS OBJECT !

er - close....

it's to identify people who's DNA is changing during this 2012 transformation process "second coming" .. (Christ is plural)...

people with new abilities emerging in our society are gonna be HELLA hard to handle if they do vile criminal acts WITH their super powers right... plus thei DNA code is gonna be uber-valuable... so why not harvest it an patent it right..

hence.. all the security in place.

put two and two together people.. it's not hard. u can dooo it.


supervillains = anti-christs.

oh ya laugh it up .. funny funny.. you'll see...

this is going to be a very NEW world... new bodies.. new abilities.. new rules.

Like I said before , if the government has samples of an individuals dna or access to samples (and they do) dna is useless in the legitimate prosecution of criminals.

Let's say there was a serial rapist in a given neighborhood, or a man charged with molesting a kid and they wanted to pin it on a particular person.

Whats to stop them from getting a warrant, obtaining items with the accused persons dna on it, and cross contaminating the clothing of the victim with this dna? What's to stop them from using blood samples taken in medical tests for the same purpose?

NOTHING, that's what.

This is why DNA is useless to prove guilt or innocence, because it relies totally in the honesty of the people involved in the process.

Anyone who believes that LEO and criminal prosecutors are honest is beyond stupid. If justice were for real, DNA could not be used to prove guilt or innocence.

It's simply to easy to do what mark furman did.

^THIS^

I guess you think it is OK for child rapists and murderers to go free and that collecting DNA from convicts is evil? Well, I am an ex-convict with common sense and nothing to worry about because I do not commit evil crimes or anything bad where my DNA can be used against me.

DNA tests actually free many falsely convicted prisoners as well here in the U.S. and I suppose you are against this as well?

Yes, I admit that am all for a NWO and tyrannical measures for unthinking dangerous sheep like yourself because it is people like you who are the barrier to a new world and age of reason. Until we either fix or take you all profane people out or out of the equation, we will be stuck in the darkness because it is this world which you love and we hate and we are simply done with your kind and the world you so selfishly love.

My ancestors wrote Revelations and I say bring it on.

You are soooooooo ignorant to say DNA is useless to prove guilt or innocence.

The problem is it's not just being used for the more nasty crimes...

"I will propose a bill requiring the collection of a DNA sample from any person convicted of a felony or Penal Law misdemeanor," said Cuomo, a former federal prosecutor and New York state attorney general.

So I decided to check out what the Penal law for NY is, I didn't look in-depth but here are some things that look to be included:




Section 240.10 Unlawful assembly

A person is guilty of unlawful assembly when he assembles with four or more other persons for the purpose of engaging or preparing to engage with them in tumultuous and violent conduct likely to cause public alarm, or when, being present at an assembly which either has or develops such purpose, he remains there with intent to advance that purpose.

Unlawful assembly is a class B misdemeanor.


Could Occupy Wall Street or Tea Party events be construed as this?



Section 240.21 Disruption, or disturbance of religious service

A person is guilty of aggravated disorderly conduct, who makes unreasonable noise or disturbance while at a lawfully assembled religious service or within one hundred feet thereof, with intent to cause annoyance or alarm or recklessly creating a risk thereof.

Aggravated disorderly conduct is a class A misdemeanor.



Section 240.30 Aggravated harassment in the second degree.

A person is guilty of aggravated harassment in the second degree when, with intent to harass, annoy, threaten or alarm another person, he or she:

1. Either (a) communicates with a person, anonymously or otherwise by telephone, or by telegraph, mail or any other form of written communication, in a manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm; or (b) causes a communication to be initiated by mechanical or electronic means or otherwise, with a person, anonymously or otherwise, by telephone, or by telegraph, mail or any other form of written communication, in a manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm; or

2. Makes a telephone call, whether or not a conversation ensues, with no purpose of legitimate communication; or

3. Strikes, shoves, kicks, or otherwise subjects another person to physical contact, or attempts or threatens to do the same because of a belief or perception regarding such person's race, color, national origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age, disability or sexual orientation, regardless of whether the belief or perception is correct; or

4. Commits the crime of harassment in the first degree and has previously been convicted of the crime of harassment in the first degree as defined by section 240.25 of this article within the preceding ten years.

Aggravated harassment in the second degree is a class A misdemeanor.



Section 250.10 Possession of eavesdropping devices

A person is guilty of possession of eavesdropping devices when, under circumstances evincing an intent to use or to permit the same to be used in violation of section 250.05, he possesses any instrument, device or equipment designed for, adapted to or commonly used in wiretapping or mechanical overhearing of a conversation.

Possession of eavesdropping devices is a class A misdemeanor.

So does this mean they'll take samples of everyone in the government who utilized or will utilize the Patriot Act in NY? lol



Section 255.17 Adultery

A person is guilty of adultery when he engages in sexual intercourse with another person at a time when he has a living spouse, or the other person has a living spouse.

Adultery is a class B misdemeanor.




Way too many to list...you can check them out here:

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Last Edited by Laura Bow on 01/06/2012 09:07 AM

WTF....from my above post....this would mean, if that bill passes, they'd take your DNA if you fail to provide notice of injury or wound and are caught...


Section 265.26 Burn injury and wounds to be reported

Every case of a burn injury or wound, where the victim sustained second or third degree burns to five percent or more of the body and/or any burns to the upper respiratory tract or laryngeal edema due to the inhalation of super- heated air, and every case of a burn injury or wound which is likely to or may result in death, shall be reported at once to the office of fire prevention and control. The state fire administrator shall accept the report and notify the proper investigatory agency. A written report shall also be provided to the office of fire prevention and control within seventy-two hours. The report shall be made by (a) the physician attending or treating the case; or (b) the manager, superintendent or other person in charge, whenever such case is treated in a hospital, sanitarium, institution or other medical facility.

The intentional failure to make such report is a class A misdemeanor.