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The concept of "piracy" and "copywrite" is built upon delusion!

 
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The concept of "piracy" and "copywrite" is built upon delusion!
Why can't people see this obvious delusion. It never ceases to amaze me the misconception around this issue.

If you make a movie, and then you sell your movie, and others pass it around record it copy it, and give the contents of it to others. What they have done is really NOTHING to do with the fact you made the movie. They are just using the content you created. If you say "don't do this with what I have created". That's just your opinion on what should be done with it. You can't rally say you are in charge of anything. It's not others fault that there is technology which can reproduce the movie for free to others. It's not wrong. Thats your responsibility to think about before you made what you did. All you did was create the movie. You can't make money off it cause other people are recording it and making copies of it? Well then provide a better service, or recognize the fact that movies can be copied. If you feel your not getting money, that's because it does not require money. Maybe you should think about why you are making the movie.

There is plenty of others that are passionate about creating things not merely because it produces cash. These are the kind of people who keep things alive. Not the kind of people who believe in piracy.

These warnings on movies saying don't copy this. Or re-sell it or whatever. Is utter bullshit.

What if we did this silly concept with everything we created? Think about al the things that are created in your life, pretty much everything.

For instance if you make a song. Are you saying no-one can use that song or sing it? You may have come up with the song but thats as far as it goes as far as I'm concerned. You can't hold on to it likes it's some piece of property. This is in your mind. Things are here to be utilized.

You may have designed your own house, you going to claim copywrite on every house that is similar to yours? Your friend has a similar personality to someone you know you going to charge them with copywrite for having a similar personality?

What couldn't you copywrite? This is why it's so ridiculious. Anything could be copywrite of piracy of something else. This is why the idea has no sense in it.

What if you make a movie where in the movie the television is on and you have now just pirated part of that television show.

Is every actor and every event going to be "copywrite". Every saying, every since noise.

If someone in the movie trips over onto the floow, someone in real life going to be charged with copywrite for tripping over in a similar way?

CAn you really see how ridiculious this idea is, and how no line can be drawn between what is and isn't piracy or copyrite.

Everything is made from something, you can create things, use existing things. And that's as far as it goes.

If you want to say your movie is pirated.
then i can also say to you, you did piracy the same because the camera that you used to film that movie. Is pirating events in real life, that happened in real life in places on earth, and so the act of filimg, you have pirated places and locations. You have pirated people clothes, you have pirated the sun shinning on earth.

You have piracted the english language and pirated ideas that came form other people in your storyline and pirated the ideas that actors got from inspiration form other actors. You pirated music that is inspired from other music.

There is barely anything you would not have used, that was already here.

Thats what creation is, you use what is here, and distribute it. Just like someone used your movie and also distributed it. Cause you made it. If you want to go on some fantasy crusade to protect your movie. I think you look ridiculious and its a stupid concept. Or music, or whatever you are trying to cling to.

People who believe in piracy and copywrite and the concept of it. Are idiots. Incapable of understanding how reality works.

Only thing that happens is things get created shared and used. Which is completely normal. If you expect something more and want to put notices and laws about things you create thats becoming your own delusion and don't get pissed off if I recognize that delusion for what it really is. An accusation against others for using what you have created of your own free will. You don't own them or what they do. You decided to create what you did. Deal with it.

Copywrite and piracy is an idea of accusation thats never going to work. Because everything is copywrite and pirated already in life. It's called life and creation.
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Re: The concept of "piracy" and "copywrite" is built upon delusion!
"Nada se cria, tudo se copia"

(Chacrinha)
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Re: The concept of "piracy" and "copywrite" is built upon delusion!
OP you appear to lack a fundamental understanding of intellectual property rights.

Perhaps you should spend a few years writing a book, recording album or making a film and then watch it get stolen all over the nets.



That being said, don't think I'm in favor of SOPA.


I say prosecute the ones doing the theft, not the environment they use to do it in.



BTW, clone GLP and see what Mr Trinity does.
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Re: The concept of "piracy" and "copywrite" is built upon delusion!
OP you appear to lack a fundamental understanding of intellectual property rights.

Perhaps you should spend a few years writing a book, recording album or making a film and then watch it get stolen all over the nets.



That being said, don't think I'm in favor of SOPA.


I say prosecute the ones doing the theft, not the environment they use to do it in.



BTW, clone GLP and see what Mr Trinity does.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9041329


You know what if I wrote a book. And it was all over the net, or I recorded a film or an album. And it was all over the net. That everyone had seen read or listened.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

Isn't it?????

Why else would I create something?

Maybe it is you that doesn't understand something basic. And thats the problem isn't it. You have been brainwashed with all the nonsense into believe something is real when it isn't. That you can somehow own a thought an idea or expression. Fact is you don't really own anything you just created it and it's being used.

If you or anyone goes to the effort of making a book. That would be their fault. Don't, blame others for reading it. Why did he write it. Should know things can be distrubuted. is it so difficult to face.

Tell me what is the difference between every word action and deed, anything I do different to intellectual property is my life copywrite?

Its a made up law of fiction.

And those people that cry oh noes my work up in smoke. It's being passed around alot without cash going to me!

Can you see the problem. Can you really see. It's not that people are doing wrong, It's a wrong idea that you think you should be controlling others, with what you create.

Don't create something unless you want people to have it. regardless of what cash goes to you.

I know it's a strange idea when you have become so blind.
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Re: The concept of "piracy" and "copywrite" is built upon delusion!
And if someone takes the song that I wrote, copies it and sells it as their own?
There are people making money from something I've created, right now,
And don't see a dime of it!

Go back to stealing cars, idiot!
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You know what if I wrote a book. And it was all over the net, or I recorded a film or an album. And it was all over the net. That everyone had seen read or listened.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

Isn't it?????

Why else would I create something?

Maybe it is you that doesn't understand something basic. And thats the problem isn't it. You have been brainwashed with all the nonsense into believe something is real when it isn't. That you can somehow own a thought an idea or expression. Fact is you don't really own anything you just created it and it's being used.

If you or anyone goes to the effort of making a book. That would be their fault. Don't, blame others for reading it. Why did he write it. Should know things can be distrubuted. is it so difficult to face.

Tell me what is the difference between every word action and deed, anything I do different to intellectual property is my life copywrite?

Its a made up law of fiction.

And those people that cry oh noes my work up in smoke. It's being passed around alot without cash going to me!

Can you see the problem. Can you really see. It's not that people are doing wrong, It's a wrong idea that you think you should be controlling others, with what you create.

Don't create something unless you want people to have it. regardless of what cash goes to you.

I know it's a strange idea when you have become so blind.
 Quoting: OP



it is indeed noble to create for the benefit of the world, but artists have financial needs, and often go out on a limb being without benefactors


you seem stuck in a fallacy that everything is copied from everything else, that is not so

hard work desrves compensation, this is no different than patent philosophy, the major impetus for inventiveness and progress

of course I'm writing this from the perspective of a songwriter with hundreds of songs and an industry in the toilet


what's your perspective, what do you create?
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Simply not buying something is not stealing it unless you actually take something remove something from the person that they have now lost.
Its similar to test driving a car at a dealership then not buying it.
The car salesmen didn't lose the car, just like the movie maker didn't lose the right to continue selling the movie.
This is like 2 sales reps, and one get the sale and the other doesn't.
And the one who didn't suing the one that did.
Its absurdly ridiculous lies, it has unlimited consequences like people going to someone's house and watching a movie.
But they didn't pay for it.
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Re: The concept of "piracy" and "copywrite" is built upon delusion!
Go to [link to onecandleinthedark.blogspot.com] and [link to www.cbsyousuck.com] for thousands of pages of evidence and links to the original source research on the Internet Wayback Machine

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Re: The concept of "piracy" and "copywrite" is built upon delusion!
And if someone takes the song that I wrote, copies it and sells it as their own?

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Then that's stealing, because they have removed in that instance your right to sell your work.
Which is why this is criminal copyright infringement where the police get involved.
Not just a stupid lawsuit.
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Re: The concept of "piracy" and "copywrite" is built upon delusion!
OP you appear to lack a fundamental understanding of intellectual property rights.

Perhaps you should spend a few years writing a book, recording album or making a film and then watch it get stolen all over the nets.



That being said, don't think I'm in favor of SOPA.


I say prosecute the ones doing the theft, not the environment they use to do it in.



BTW, clone GLP and see what Mr Trinity does.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9041329


You know what if I wrote a book. And it was all over the net, or I recorded a film or an album. And it was all over the net. That everyone had seen read or listened.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

Isn't it?????

Why else would I create something?

Maybe it is you that doesn't understand something basic. And thats the problem isn't it. You have been brainwashed with all the nonsense into believe something is real when it isn't. That you can somehow own a thought an idea or expression. Fact is you don't really own anything you just created it and it's being used.

If you or anyone goes to the effort of making a book. That would be their fault. Don't, blame others for reading it. Why did he write it. Should know things can be distrubuted. is it so difficult to face.

Tell me what is the difference between every word action and deed, anything I do different to intellectual property is my life copywrite?

Its a made up law of fiction.

And those people that cry oh noes my work up in smoke. It's being passed around alot without cash going to me!

Can you see the problem. Can you really see. It's not that people are doing wrong, It's a wrong idea that you think you should be controlling others, with what you create.

Don't create something unless you want people to have it. regardless of what cash goes to you.

I know it's a strange idea when you have become so blind.
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absolutelly true
a free man chooses, a slave obeys
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Re: The concept of "piracy" and "copywrite" is built upon delusion!
And if someone takes the song that I wrote, copies it and sells it as their own?
There are people making money from something I've created, right now,
And don't see a dime of it!

Go back to stealing cars, idiot!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9016323


Wow how about this. If someone is smart enough to sell something you created better then you can, or equally as you can. Why don't you learn something from it instead of crying like a baby?

Why don't you sell something of someone elses then? Just like they did to you. If your main motivation is money gets smarter and adapt yourself. Don't sit there and cry about what you created being used. How are you at any disadvantage at all to anyone else.

Just cause you create something don't mean you are the king of every dime.

Or do you think cause the world could revolve around you, so your life could pretty much be coprwrite and everything connected to it owes you and every single dime should be yours in the world.

I think you are on to something, maybe a new version of the new sopa bill.

Stupid oppressive perception arises. sopa.

But you could call yours something like the selfish asshole act. As it is not much different to having dollar signs in your eyes, rather than thinking about what you are creating and doing for the world.
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Re: The concept of "piracy" and "copywrite" is built upon delusion!
And if someone takes the song that I wrote, copies it and sells it as their own?
There are people making money from something I've created, right now,
And don't see a dime of it!

Go back to stealing cars, idiot!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9016323


Wow how about this. If someone is smart enough to sell something you created better then you can, or equally as you can. Why don't you learn something from it instead of crying like a baby?


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9035024


No you are wrong here the Law sees this as criminal enough to prosecute people criminally.
Copying and selling someone else's works is commercial copyright infringement.
This is not the same as for personal use the law does not determine this as criminal its up to the rights holder to try to prove you infringed on them and try to get money from you.
What they want to do is change the law to include private use and this of course is absurd and has never ending consequences.
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Re: The concept of "piracy" and "copywrite" is built upon delusion!
What a complete fuck head OP is. Consider movies. Movies cost a lot of money to make. If you can't get returns on that - GUESS WHAT - you don't make any more movies.

Thus the issue of copying movies becomes a mute point because there will be no movies left to copy, other than amateur porn of would be thieves like OP wanking them selves.

How many times I've heard the similar argument it's not stealing because you're only making a copy. If a guy has a Ferrari and you make a perfect copy - that's not stealing - he still has his car they proclaim. What these idiots fail to realize is that then everyone would have the exact same Ferrai, they would lose all value and NO more cars would be made ever again. Everyone would have the exact same car for the rest of their lives.

Moron fucksticks that think the world owes them everything for doing nothing.
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What a complete fuck head OP is. Consider movies. Movies cost a lot of money to make. If you can't get returns on that - GUESS WHAT - you don't make any more movies.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7685892


Not the point what people do privately is none of your business.
Not buying the movie is not the same as stealing the movie.
Clearly it has not and will not stop movies being made and only a lying shill would say such a thing.
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Re: The concept of "piracy" and "copywrite" is built upon delusion!
OP you appear to lack a fundamental understanding of intellectual property rights.

Perhaps you should spend a few years writing a book, recording album or making a film and then watch it get stolen all over the nets.



That being said, don't think I'm in favor of SOPA.


I say prosecute the ones doing the theft, not the environment they use to do it in.



BTW, clone GLP and see what Mr Trinity does.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9041329


You're a moron. (emphasis on the period)

You think because some bought and paid for government passes a law to protect the rich corporations and prosecute you, that it's right?

Give your head a shake.
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How many times I've heard the similar argument it's not stealing because you're only making a copy. If a guy has a Ferrari and you make a perfect copy - that's not stealing - he still has his car they proclaim. What these idiots fail to realize is that then everyone would have the exact same Ferrai, they would lose all value and NO more cars would be made ever again. Everyone would have the exact same car for the rest of their lives.
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Your absolutist totalitarian stance is disgusting beyond belief you posses no logic in your brain only one extreme to the other.
No more cars would be made ever again lmao
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Wow how about this. If someone is smart enough to sell something you created better then you can, or equally as you can. Why don't you learn something from it instead of crying like a baby?
 Quoting: OP


and if someone is smart enough to break past your security and clean out your house while you are away...


or pick up your daughter from school saying they were sent by you then rapes her.........


or slanders you in public and the townspeople burn you down..........




why don't you just learn something from it
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it is indeed noble to create for the benefit of the world, but artists have financial needs, and often go out on a limb being without benefactors


you seem stuck in a fallacy that everything is copied from everything else, that is not so

hard work desrves compensation, this is no different than patent philosophy, the major impetus for inventiveness and progress

of course I'm writing this from the perspective of a songwriter with hundreds of songs and an industry in the toilet


what's your perspective, what do you create?
 Quoting: OP


You do realize it's not just artists that have financial needs. Everyone has financial needs. What you choose to do to fulfill that is entirely your own responsibility. If something doesn't work to fulfill that financial need. That is nothing but your own planning gone wrong. Isn't it?


It actually doesn't work the way you are expecting in real life. What work you put in to things is your own liability and it always has been.
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Wow how about this. If someone is smart enough to sell something you created better then you can, or equally as you can. Why don't you learn something from it instead of crying like a baby?
 Quoting: OP


and if someone is smart enough to break past your security and clean out your house while you are away...

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Then you actually LOSE physical property.
Not just a theoretical sale of some product.
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You're a moron. (emphasis on the period)

You think because some bought and paid for government passes a law to protect the rich corporations and prosecute you, that it's right?

Give your head a shake
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corporations don't create


but then again you appear to think that ad hominem attacks bolster your argument so there is no point going in circles with you on this
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Then you actually LOSE physical property.
Not just a theoretical sale of some product.
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I see no difference.

If it's worth stealing, it has value.
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If you look at stores and department stores EVERYTHING in it for sale was made by someone else.

The corporationss are just good for making it mass marketing and stealing others ideas and then selling them as if they were their own.
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Then you actually LOSE physical property.
Not just a theoretical sale of some product.
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I see no difference.

If it's worth stealing, it has value.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9041329


That's because you have an illogical absolutist totalitarian mindset.
The law thank God doesn't see it your distorted way.
Luckily this is not a debate about some theoretical value of something.
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Somebody paid fiat paper money for oil in the ground and suddenly it only belongs to one person.
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Re: The concept of "piracy" and "copywrite" is built upon delusion!
like people going to someone's house and watching a movie.
But they didn't pay for it.
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Thats another thing. If you are at someone elses house and watching a dvd. You should fit the definition of participating in the dangerous shocking act of piracy and intellectual stealing of an idea. Cause you didn't pay for all the dvds you watching at his house!

Or are you just living your life and being normal and this piracy thing is just ridiculious?

If you think piracy is correct you should not ever go to another persons house and watch their dvds but buy your own. If you try to justify it then you have to accept other things of piracy are also just as silly as that idea and all part of the same nonsense.
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Take your DVD collection to your friends house, and you copy each others DVD's.
Should you go to jail?
Should all the people going back 50 years who copied their friends records on to cassette tape be sent to jail?
This is how absurd this gets and its for nothing more than GREED.

Example a game for a console, simply using the game disc having to have the game disc in the drive after 12 months even if you're careful will damage it scratch it so it wont work any more.
Then you have to buy the game AGAIN.
And the maker of the console makes it this way on purpose so you can't load it from HD and have to damage the disc.
Why does the console maker not go to jail for fraud?
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That's because you have an illogical absolutist totalitarian mindset.
The law thank God doesn't see it your distorted way.
Luckily this is not a debate about some theoretical value of something.
 Quoting: 166



wrong! the law sees it my way


haven't you ever seen the FBI warning at the beginning of a movie?

haven't you read the copyright notice on a book or recording?




you obviously consume, not produce
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like people going to someone's house and watching a movie.
But they didn't pay for it.
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Thats another thing. If you are at someone elses house and watching a dvd. You should fit the definition of participating in the dangerous shocking act of piracy and intellectual stealing of an idea. Cause you didn't pay for all the dvds you watching at his house!

Or are you just living your life and being normal and this piracy thing is just ridiculious?

If you think piracy is correct you should not ever go to another persons house and watch their dvds but buy your own. If you try to justify it then you have to accept other things of piracy are also just as silly as that idea and all part of the same nonsense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9035024

Or listening to music at a part, they have already started trying to make large parties get distribution rights to play music.
It never ends once you cross that fine line that the law has so far refused to cross.
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like people going to someone's house and watching a movie.
But they didn't pay for it.
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Thats another thing. If you are at someone elses house and watching a dvd. You should fit the definition of participating in the dangerous shocking act of piracy and intellectual stealing of an idea. Cause you didn't pay for all the dvds you watching at his house!

Or are you just living your life and being normal and this piracy thing is just ridiculious?

If you think piracy is correct you should not ever go to another persons house and watch their dvds but buy your own. If you try to justify it then you have to accept other things of piracy are also just as silly as that idea and all part of the same nonsense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9035024

Or listening to music at a part, they have already started trying to make large parties get distribution rights to play music.
It never ends once you cross that fine line that the law has so far refused to cross.
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*Party
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That's because you have an illogical absolutist totalitarian mindset.
The law thank God doesn't see it your distorted way.
Luckily this is not a debate about some theoretical value of something.
 Quoting: 166



wrong! the law sees it my way


haven't you ever seen the FBI warning at the beginning of a movie?

haven't you read the copyright notice on a book or recording?




you obviously consume, not produce
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9041329


LOL no it doesn't the FBI doesn't prosecute people for copying a movie.
The movie company sues them in civil court using corrupt lawyers and fraud.
Mr Totalitarian Absolutist Sycophant.
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Re: The concept of "piracy" and "copywrite" is built upon delusion!
And if someone takes the song that I wrote, copies it and sells it as their own?

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Then that's stealing, because they have removed in that instance your right to sell your work.
Which is why this is criminal copyright infringement where the police get involved.
Not just a stupid lawsuit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6021166


It's not stealing. They havn't removed anything. They are just using what is created by you. You still have your creation. You still able to sell whatever you create. You got nothing to cry about. They are selling it too. but thats also your fault cause you created it. And you should have thought about that and taken things into account and realized about it.

And just because a law is enforced by police doesnt mean it's not stupid. There is plenty of stupid laws and they are always changing. Arn't they?





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