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MOSES NEVER EXISTED, EXODUS NEVER HAPPENED, Rabbis Tell Congregations

 
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MOSES NEVER EXISTed. EXODUS NEVER Happened, Rabbis Tell Congregations.

The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism has released a new commentary on the Torah (Old Testament, which is the main book of Judaism) for their congregations, in which they admit that Moses Never Existed and Exodus Never Happened. Called Etz Hayim (“Tree of Life”), it is the first commentary on the Torah to be published by Conservative J. e. w. s. since 1936.

The New York Times article, titled “As Rabbis Face Facts, Bible Tales Are Wilting,” describes this revision as follows:

“Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

“Such startling propositions-the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years-have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity-until now.”

"One contributor to Etz Hayim, rabbi David Wolpe of Los Angeles, says that the rejection of the Bible as literally true “is more or less settled and understood among most Conservative rabbis.” In the back of the new commentary are 41 essays-some quite radical. In one essay on “Ancient Near Eastern Mythology,” Robert Wexler, president of the University of Judaism in Los Angeles, says that modern scholarship links the Genesis account of origins and the Flood to Mesopotamian myths, e.g. Gilgamesh (but see Was Genesis copied from pagan mythology?). In another essay on “Biblical Archaeology," Lee I. Levine, a professor at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, questions the Biblical account of Jericho, arguing that the town was apparently empty and unprotected when the Hebrew people settled the area."

For the full article, see:

[link to freethoughtfirefighters.org]

Those of use who have read "The Forgery of the Old Testament" by Joseph McCabe or the documentary hypothesis knew this already, but it is refreshing to know the Judaists finally waking up and realizing the obvious.

Since Moses never existed, and Exodus never happened, Judaism (and the notion of a J. e. w.) collapses like a house of cards.
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If judaism is found invalid, doesnt this invalidate muslims and christians as well?
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If it wasnt for the scriptures there wouldnt be any bleedin' rabbis,so wot they smokin' these days?
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If judaism is found invalid, doesnt this invalidate muslims and christians as well?
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Yup.
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New York Times, March 9, 2002
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If judaism is found invalid, doesnt this invalidate muslims and christians as well?
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pretty much

since they are separatist
of the core
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Since Moses never existed, and Exodus never happened, Judaism (and the notion of a J. e. w.) collapses like a house of cards.
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cruise
You can base your reality on what some godless jewish claims.
The rest of us have historical documents and Archeology.
You know, real stuff.
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In the NYT Arts Section way back in
Published: March 09, 2002
[link to www.nytimes.com]

Since you didn't provide a source at all.

Historically there actually is pretty good evidence for
jewish bondage in Egypt and them leaving en mass to the
East.

Pay attention to Simcha Jacobovici - The Naked Archaeologist.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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All these old scriptures are fairy tailes. Manipulated to be useful for powermongering.

The only truth lies within oneself!
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The only truth lies within oneself!
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All these old scriptures are fairy tailes. Manipulated to be useful for powermongering.

The only truth lies within oneself!
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Even fairy tales are based in some truth and history.
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Historically there actually is pretty good evidence for
jewish bondage in Egypt and them leaving en mass to the
East.

Pay attention to Simcha Jacobovici - The Naked Archaeologist.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Just pointing to a guy and his TV show isn't poining to evidence.

The consensus among archeologists without preconcieved notions is:
"The Israelites never were in Egypt. They never came from abroad. This whole claim is broken. It is not a historical one. It is later legendary reconstruction - made in the seventh century [BCE] - of a history that never happened."
- Ze'ev Herzog (Quoted in Sturgis, It Ain't Necessarily So, pg. 74)
[link to rationalwiki.org]

Even fairy tales are based in some truth and history.
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There no doubt were evil queens who had competitors for power eliminated.
Maybe even with poisened apples.

But dwarves?
book
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Historically there actually is pretty good evidence for
jewish bondage in Egypt and them leaving en mass to the
East.

Pay attention to Simcha Jacobovici - The Naked Archaeologist.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9035328

Just pointing to a guy and his TV show isn't poining to evidence.

The consensus among archeologists without preconcieved notions is:
"The Israelites never were in Egypt. They never came from abroad. This whole claim is broken. It is not a historical one. It is later legendary reconstruction - made in the seventh century [BCE] - of a history that never happened."
- Ze'ev Herzog (Quoted in Sturgis, It Ain't Necessarily So, pg. 74)
[link to rationalwiki.org]

Even fairy tales are based in some truth and history.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9035328

There no doubt were evil queens who had competitors for power eliminated.
Maybe even with poisened apples.

But dwarves?
book
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But pointing to a writer of a book is?
cruise
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If judaism is found invalid, doesnt this invalidate muslims and christians as well?
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As I have been saying... sun

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Hmm.

did Egypt exist?

And why did their last Pharaoh Amenhotep IV, disappear at the same time "judaism" seems to rise, along with the refined Hebrew alphabet? Literally it seems that Hebrew was invented overnight, when it comes to how it has risen to become the prime occult language. Funny that Hebrew has power today, yet there are no Pharaohs after Amenhotep IV.

Oh sure Ramses so forth, but he was a military man, he wasn't a bloodline pharaoh like the Thutmoside family were. I understand also that Theosophists place Thutmoside family as the beginning of all "secret societies"?

No, after their final King, dynasty 18, Amenhotep IV, we have no more Egypt really. His son Tut was not even close to being on the King's level. There is one true and final Pharaoh and you know who that is.

Moses is Akhenaten and also Osarseph. It was King versus priests at that time. That is why the priests of today, hating the ultimate King of good, will not speak of him. In fact they will avoid him altogether as this piece shows.

It can be said I think, that Jesus was actually, the greater Akhenaten. Both of them did not sit down on their father's throne, but preferred to go with the people, and live at street level, and roll the dice on one great moment. Both Akhenaten and Jesus opposed the priestly temple-fleecings of their day. Both preferred to be King on their own terms, and to thereby defy the priests.

But Judaism has never been about Kingship. It's about priest-ship. Yeah, well, we can say both systems have failed, so WWAD? Oh I mean WWJD?
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This is just attempting to undermine the followers of the Torah by the adherents of the most evil book ever written. The book of filth piled high.fight
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MOSES NEVER EXISTed. EXODUS NEVER Happened, Rabbis Tell Congregations.

The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism has released a new commentary on the Torah (Old Testament, which is the main book of Judaism) for their congregations, in which they admit that Moses Never Existed and Exodus Never Happened. Called Etz Hayim (“Tree of Life”), it is the first commentary on the Torah to be published by Conservative J. e. w. s. since 1936.

The New York Times article, titled “As Rabbis Face Facts, Bible Tales Are Wilting,” describes this revision
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They're just jealous. They've been that way from the beginning.
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I guess the point is not whether something in their mythology is fiction or history, but rather the message related by that particular story.
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If they invalidate their own religion, does that not invalidate their claim on Jerusalem?
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There is no mention whatsoever of Joseph or Moses in Egyptian historical documents.
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Tell it to Egypt! LOL!
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ha, yeah you get this in Anglicanism (Episcopalian), senior clerics who don't believe in the resurrection, no wonder people leave churches.
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Of course because both the Old and New Testaments are written allegorically and anyone who takes it literally is making a serious error in judgement. The Bibles are NOT to be taken literally and never was. They are coded books with hidden mysteries to who is in charge of this age and who was in charge of the last age.
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Utter nonsense. Any real research knows nothing has been disproven, on the contrary every archaeological find consistently proves te legitimacy of the biblical stories.
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And OP, that link has malware and I hope you did not know that.
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Of course because both the Old and New Testaments are written allegorically and anyone who takes it literally is making a serious error in judgement. The Bibles are NOT to be taken literally and never was. They are coded books with hidden mysteries to who is in charge of this age and who was in charge of the last age.
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Since Moses never existed, and Exodus never happened, Judaism (and the notion of a J. e. w.) collapses like a house of cards.
 Quoting: William 9156553


cruise
You can base your reality on what some godless jewish claims.
The rest of us have historical documents and Archeology.
You know, real stuff.
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actually, the israeli govt goes out of its way to suppress real archeological findings.... makes you go hmmmmm. look how they tried to suppress the dead sea scrolls? so what's their agenda to hide the truth?
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So they're going to stop celebrating Passover?





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