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| Aiyanna
Offer Upgrade  User ID: 9285517  United States01/21/2012 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When it comes to the bible(s)[plural], It is not short of follower's and believers. This we can all agree on. Now bare with me on this- [cringing] Lets take some versus that I will choose myself. Here they are: John 1:14 - "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 8:24 - "I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins." John 10:30-33 - "I and the Father are one." Couple more: Matt. 14:33 - "And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God’s Son!" Joel 2:32 - "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call." Now the bible is written by primitive men. Rather or not by the grace of sky bully..oops sorry guys..i mean God is up for debate. But not here, Not this time. What i would like to point out is this- Lets take "John Sand Cheeks", "Matt Desert Dweller", and "Joel Doesn't Bath" [first,middle, and last names] And we will say John, Matt, and Joel are in their 30's and seemingly "normal" for the country they live in [country isn't important right now] and the year is 2012. If they started saying the things that the orignal john, matt and joel did back in PRIMITIVE days.. WOULD YOU OR WOULDN'T YOU BELIEVE THEM? Before YOU answer please consider the times we live in today. And please account for the reports of "rare" occurences that get reported and simply LAUGHED AT. ~UFO sighting ~UFO abduction reports and stories ~ghosts, spirits, and demon sightings and hauntings ~Bigfoot sightings ~Sumarian tablet findings ~many many others that I don't have time to list. -----you get MY point------ Would the bible stand up against the PEOPLE of 2012 and beyond? Would you believe these men with the same bible stories of today? My opinion is NO.  Thanks in advance !Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. Chief Seattle, 1854 When all the trees have been cut down, when all the animals have been hunted, when all the waters are polluted, when all the air is unsafe to breathe, only then will you discover you cannot eat money. Cree Prophecy "Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers. So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin. Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother. Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth. If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~ |
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| Aiyanna
(OP) User ID: 9285517 United States01/21/2012 05:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Primitive is as primitive does....  Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. Chief Seattle, 1854 When all the trees have been cut down, when all the animals have been hunted, when all the waters are polluted, when all the air is unsafe to breathe, only then will you discover you cannot eat money. Cree Prophecy "Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers. So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin. Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother. Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth. If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~ |
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| Aiyanna
(OP) User ID: 9285517 United States01/21/2012 05:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | religion = subservience, control and conformity... the same template as EVERY government Quoting: in5d FEAR...don't forget the FEAR! Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. Chief Seattle, 1854 When all the trees have been cut down, when all the animals have been hunted, when all the waters are polluted, when all the air is unsafe to breathe, only then will you discover you cannot eat money. Cree Prophecy "Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers. So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin. Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother. Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth. If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~ |
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| WeAreOne
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 4619492 United States01/21/2012 05:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 1:1 is now the same as it was 2000 years ago, it will last till the end of time. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1 In John 8:24 Jesus declared: “For if you should not believe that I am [ego eimi] you will perish in your sins” Jesus is God your creator, believe. |
| Aiyanna
(OP) User ID: 9285517 United States01/21/2012 06:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation |  Now that was funny!!!Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. Chief Seattle, 1854 When all the trees have been cut down, when all the animals have been hunted, when all the waters are polluted, when all the air is unsafe to breathe, only then will you discover you cannot eat money. Cree Prophecy "Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers. So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin. Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother. Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth. If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~ |
| Aiyanna
(OP) User ID: 9285517 United States01/21/2012 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Bible may survive if the people still choose to worship the real boss of Bible when he next comes down in his UFO wanting our Gold and Silver. Quoting: WeAreOne I don't know about you but I'm telling Lord Anu to F*** off n get his own!  Last Edited by Aiyannanaki on 01/21/2012 06:09 PM Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. Chief Seattle, 1854 When all the trees have been cut down, when all the animals have been hunted, when all the waters are polluted, when all the air is unsafe to breathe, only then will you discover you cannot eat money. Cree Prophecy "Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers. So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin. Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother. Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth. If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~ |
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| Aiyanna
(OP) User ID: 9285517 United States01/21/2012 06:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 1:1 is now the same as it was 2000 years ago, it will last till the end of time. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4619492 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1 In John 8:24 Jesus declared: “For if you should not believe that I am [ego eimi] you will perish in your sins” Jesus is God your creator, believe. Believe in what? The scriptures that some primitive men wrote about..Miricles that we have yet to behold today? I don't take well to game of telephone with my faith. matter of fact if i picked up the phone to fear- I'd hang up Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. Chief Seattle, 1854 When all the trees have been cut down, when all the animals have been hunted, when all the waters are polluted, when all the air is unsafe to breathe, only then will you discover you cannot eat money. Cree Prophecy "Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers. So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin. Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother. Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth. If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~ |
| WeAreOne
User ID: 9296520 United Kingdom01/21/2012 06:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You have priests coming out saying it's a lie You have a Vatican translator coming out saying the bible is a lie The Shape of the Vatican symbolises them knowing Catholicism comes to an end this year. They believe that this current Pope will be the last. They KNOW it is coming to an end but at least they have a few hundred billion in Gold etc to keep them in retirement. I'm sure glad there is no suffering in the World where that money could go! Last Edited by WeAreOne on 01/21/2012 06:07 PM Be the change you want the World to be. Be |
| Aiyanna
(OP) User ID: 9285517 United States01/21/2012 06:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If they started saying the things that the orignal john, matt and joel did back in PRIMITIVE days.. WOULD YOU OR WOULDN'T YOU BELIEVE THEM? Why would they lie? (nice thread btw) :) Well one would hope they would not, But sadly how many people can you truly trust nowadays..sad times. Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. Chief Seattle, 1854 When all the trees have been cut down, when all the animals have been hunted, when all the waters are polluted, when all the air is unsafe to breathe, only then will you discover you cannot eat money. Cree Prophecy "Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers. So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin. Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother. Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth. If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~ |
| Aiyanna
(OP) User ID: 9285517 United States01/21/2012 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of course it will. Absolutely. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1889802 The bible will survive but 2012 will not. You think people are more advanced or civilised now just cos they got a bit more technology, better food, clothes and trinkets? Ha. The amount of believer's is slowly declining..rather its the "technology", "food", "trinkets" is up for debate. But nonetheless its happening. Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. Chief Seattle, 1854 When all the trees have been cut down, when all the animals have been hunted, when all the waters are polluted, when all the air is unsafe to breathe, only then will you discover you cannot eat money. Cree Prophecy "Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers. So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin. Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother. Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth. If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~ |
| Aiyanna
(OP) User ID: 9285517 United States01/21/2012 06:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The truth is coming out too fast now for it to really stand a chance. Quoting: WeAreOne You have priests coming out saying it's a lie You have a Vatican translator coming out saying the bible is a lie The Shape of the Vatican symbolises them knowing Catholicism comes to an end this year. They believe that this current Pope will be the last. They KNOW it is coming to an end but at least they have a few hundred billion in Gold etc to keep them in retirement. I'm sure glad there is no suffering in the World where that money could go! These are facinating statements, tell me more if you can! Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. Chief Seattle, 1854 When all the trees have been cut down, when all the animals have been hunted, when all the waters are polluted, when all the air is unsafe to breathe, only then will you discover you cannot eat money. Cree Prophecy "Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers. So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin. Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother. Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth. If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~ |
| Daniel's Seventieth Seven User ID: 1071051 United States01/21/2012 06:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If they started saying the things that the orignal john, matt and joel did back in PRIMITIVE days.. WOULD YOU OR WOULDN'T YOU BELIEVE THEM? Why would they lie? (nice thread btw) Well one would hope they would not, But sadly how many people can you truly trust nowadays..sad times. You might be able to know by their fruit:) @) |
| Monsanto
User ID: 8999042  Australia01/21/2012 06:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Likewise we look to our elders for knowledge and wisdom. I find it worrying that people believe a religion because they’re elders do. Anyone over 50 would remember a time where people were socially forced into believing religion; so isn’t that a big lot of bias? More than likely you would not listen to those people if you lived in their time and the only credibility they had was their own word rather than a social influence. It would be no different to following a small religion such as westboro today, not many people will fall for it because there is no social push to do so. I doubt the bible will be gone as early as this year but we can already see that its strength is diminishing. It will be something that dwindles over a few decades in my opinion. Unless there is a scientific breakthrough that comes, this is very possible. But it is obvious to see that religion does not have much place in modern society. Spirituality is different but I don’t see many people believing in something without any evidence for too much longer. On the other hand, if living conditions continue to drop and education becomes unattainable we may see numbers grow. Because it is well documented that ignorance and bad emotions breed religion; but it also works in reverse. Anyway, hope that helps somewhat. Time will tell. Also, I caught your soul. Do you want it back or can I sell it on eBay? Only when the last tree has died, The last river been poisoned, And the last fish has been caught. Will we realise.. WE CANNOT EAT MONEY! |
| Aiyanna
(OP) User ID: 9285517 United States01/21/2012 06:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If they started saying the things that the orignal john, matt and joel did back in PRIMITIVE days.. WOULD YOU OR WOULDN'T YOU BELIEVE THEM? Why would they lie? (nice thread btw) Well one would hope they would not, But sadly how many people can you truly trust nowadays..sad times. You might be able to know by their fruit:) @) How about you daniel, test their fruit first then let me know and then we will go from there! Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. Chief Seattle, 1854 When all the trees have been cut down, when all the animals have been hunted, when all the waters are polluted, when all the air is unsafe to breathe, only then will you discover you cannot eat money. Cree Prophecy "Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers. So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin. Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother. Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth. If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~ |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1194370 United States01/21/2012 06:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hello OP, I suppose the question comes down to discernment and truth. Both of which are often viewed as objective by the first person and subjective by the second and third and so-on. So we each have "discernment" and "truth". We will be able to find those who believe John Sand Cheeks, Matt Desert Dweller, and Joel Doesn't Bath and we will be able to find those who disagree with John, Matt, and Joel. Do you suppose the words of these fella's; John, Matt, and Joel - will be around in 4012? What would cause them to survive, and perhaps even thrive, for generations? If they are words of wisdom and power and profundity, I suspect they will have some memberance... Even 2000 years later. But I am the first person here and there will be those who will likely share a difference "discernment" and "truth". Those who will say (from the beginning) John, Matt and Joel are loons and those which subscribe to their words and thinking are also loons... lol!!! peace, |
| Daniel's Seventieth Seven User ID: 1071051 United States01/21/2012 06:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well one would hope they would not, But sadly how many people can you truly trust nowadays..sad times. You might be able to know by their fruit:) How about you daniel, test their fruit first then let me know and then we will go from there!Sometimes it's easy. Follow the money. ][ |
| Aiyanna
(OP) User ID: 9285517 United States01/21/2012 06:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The only credibility mainstream religion has is its timeline. People believe it more because they can see that people have been following it for quite some time. Quoting: Monsanto Likewise we look to our elders for knowledge and wisdom. I find it worrying that people believe a religion because they’re elders do. Anyone over 50 would remember a time where people were socially forced into believing religion; so isn’t that a big lot of bias? More than likely you would not listen to those people if you lived in their time and the only credibility they had was their own word rather than a social influence. It would be no different to following a small religion such as westboro today, not many people will fall for it because there is no social push to do so. I doubt the bible will be gone as early as this year but we can already see that its strength is diminishing. It will be something that dwindles over a few decades in my opinion. Unless there is a scientific breakthrough that comes, this is very possible. But it is obvious to see that religion does not have much place in modern society. Spirituality is different but I don’t see many people believing in something without any evidence for too much longer. On the other hand, if living conditions continue to drop and education becomes unattainable we may see numbers grow. Because it is well documented that ignorance and bad emotions breed religion; but it also works in reverse. Anyway, hope that helps somewhat. Time will tell. Also, I caught your soul. Do you want it back or can I sell it on eBay? Very nice reply! I agree it is dimishing~ but things can change I do feel people are starting to question more, experiment with other beliefs and thought systems..etc. One thing i won't miss if it does diminish is the fear and spread of fear ! I'm afraid if you caught my soul then you are the rightful owner at this point..it seems to have a mind of its own and doesn't like to stay in one place~ sell it on ebay so my soul can explore the ends and out of the world around it Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. Chief Seattle, 1854 When all the trees have been cut down, when all the animals have been hunted, when all the waters are polluted, when all the air is unsafe to breathe, only then will you discover you cannot eat money. Cree Prophecy "Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers. So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin. Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother. Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth. If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~ |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 9304265 United States01/21/2012 06:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When it comes to the bible(s)[plural], It is not short of follower's and believers. This we can all agree on. Quoting: Aiyanna Now bare with me on this- [cringing] Lets take some versus that I will choose myself. Here they are: John 1:14 - "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 8:24 - "I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins." John 10:30-33 - "I and the Father are one." Couple more: Matt. 14:33 - "And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God’s Son!" Joel 2:32 - "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call." Now the bible is written by primitive men. Rather or not by the grace of sky bully..oops sorry guys..i mean God is up for debate. But not here, Not this time. What i would like to point out is this- Lets take "John Sand Cheeks", "Matt Desert Dweller", and "Joel Doesn't Bath" [first,middle, and last names] And we will say John, Matt, and Joel are in their 30's and seemingly "normal" for the country they live in [country isn't important right now] and the year is 2012. If they started saying the things that the orignal john, matt and joel did back in PRIMITIVE days.. WOULD YOU OR WOULDN'T YOU BELIEVE THEM? Before YOU answer please consider the times we live in today. And please account for the reports of "rare" occurences that get reported and simply LAUGHED AT. ~UFO sighting ~UFO abduction reports and stories ~ghosts, spirits, and demon sightings and hauntings ~Bigfoot sightings ~Sumarian tablet findings ~many many others that I don't have time to list. -----you get MY point------ Would the bible stand up against the PEOPLE of 2012 and beyond? Would you believe these men with the same bible stories of today? My opinion is NO. Thanks in advance !Why would you think the Bible was written by primitive men? Joel was most likely a priest, which would entail that he be literate. John was a fisherman, but he would have been literate in Hebrew, the language of the Bible, Aramaic, the common language of the people, and because it was the lingua franca of the eastern Mediterranean, Greek. Matthew, as a Roman official, would have been literate in all of the above, plus Latin. Judah was not a backwater, it was crossed by the important east-west trade routes and was a magnet for pilgrims from all over the Roman and Parthian empires. Jerusalem was considered one of the premier cities of the Empire and the Temple was a marvel of engineering. I would say that most people living today are far more primitive than those living at the height of the Roman Empire. By the way, I would believe them because they make far more sense than the bilge that passes for philosophy today. |
| Aiyanna
(OP) User ID: 9285517 United States01/21/2012 06:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hello OP, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370 I suppose the question comes down to discernment and truth. Both of which are often viewed as objective by the first person and subjective by the second and third and so-on. So we each have "discernment" and "truth". We will be able to find those who believe John Sand Cheeks, Matt Desert Dweller, and Joel Doesn't Bath and we will be able to find those who disagree with John, Matt, and Joel. Do you suppose the words of these fella's; John, Matt, and Joel - will be around in 4012? What would cause them to survive, and perhaps even thrive, for generations? If they are words of wisdom and power and profundity, I suspect they will have some memberance... Even 2000 years later. But I am the first person here and there will be those who will likely share a difference "discernment" and "truth". Those who will say (from the beginning) John, Matt and Joel are loons and those which subscribe to their words and thinking are also loons... lol!!! peace, Very true! Maybe..just maybe it will be my great great great grandaughter calling them the loons Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. Chief Seattle, 1854 When all the trees have been cut down, when all the animals have been hunted, when all the waters are polluted, when all the air is unsafe to breathe, only then will you discover you cannot eat money. Cree Prophecy "Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers. So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin. Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother. Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth. If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~ |
| Aiyanna
(OP) User ID: 9285517 United States01/21/2012 06:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Aiyanna Well one would hope they would not, But sadly how many people can you truly trust nowadays..sad times. You might be able to know by their fruit:) How about you daniel, test their fruit first then let me know and then we will go from there!Sometimes it's easy. Follow the money. ][ I'd have to say daniel, The path of money always leads you to a basket of fruit. But problem is when you finally get to the fruit-after wasting away your time indulging in things only money can buy you and the distraction that comes along that path..you come to realize the fruit has gone rotten. Last Edited by Aiyannanaki on 01/21/2012 06:33 PM Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. Chief Seattle, 1854 When all the trees have been cut down, when all the animals have been hunted, when all the waters are polluted, when all the air is unsafe to breathe, only then will you discover you cannot eat money. Cree Prophecy "Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers. So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin. Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother. Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth. If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~ |
| Monsanto
User ID: 8999042 Australia01/21/2012 06:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The only credibility mainstream religion has is its timeline. People believe it more because they can see that people have been following it for quite some time. Quoting: Monsanto Likewise we look to our elders for knowledge and wisdom. I find it worrying that people believe a religion because they’re elders do. Anyone over 50 would remember a time where people were socially forced into believing religion; so isn’t that a big lot of bias? More than likely you would not listen to those people if you lived in their time and the only credibility they had was their own word rather than a social influence. It would be no different to following a small religion such as westboro today, not many people will fall for it because there is no social push to do so. I doubt the bible will be gone as early as this year but we can already see that its strength is diminishing. It will be something that dwindles over a few decades in my opinion. Unless there is a scientific breakthrough that comes, this is very possible. But it is obvious to see that religion does not have much place in modern society. Spirituality is different but I don’t see many people believing in something without any evidence for too much longer. On the other hand, if living conditions continue to drop and education becomes unattainable we may see numbers grow. Because it is well documented that ignorance and bad emotions breed religion; but it also works in reverse. Anyway, hope that helps somewhat. Time will tell. Also, I caught your soul. Do you want it back or can I sell it on eBay? Very nice reply! I agree it is dimishing~ but things can change I do feel people are starting to question more, experiment with other beliefs and thought systems..etc. One thing i won't miss if it does diminish is the fear and spread of fear ! I'm afraid if you caught my soul then you are the rightful owner at this point..it seems to have a mind of its own and doesn't like to stay in one place~ sell it on ebay so my soul can explore the ends and out of the world around it Well I want religion to diminish, as do many others. But no one seems to put any effort in (apart from you obviously). The least I can do is try and educate people. People are questioning a lot more. Which makes me wonder what will happen when the economy collapses? I hope it doesn’t go in reverse and back to a complete world of religious hate and ignorance. The fear is easily the worst part because fear breads so much other horrible stuff. Excellent. You may want to get a leash for your soul in the future. But I will keep it for a little while and then give it back to you. Last Edited by Monsanto on 01/21/2012 06:34 PM Only when the last tree has died, The last river been poisoned, And the last fish has been caught. Will we realise.. WE CANNOT EAT MONEY! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1194370 United States01/21/2012 06:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hello OP, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370 I suppose the question comes down to discernment and truth. Both of which are often viewed as objective by the first person and subjective by the second and third and so-on. So we each have "discernment" and "truth". We will be able to find those who believe John Sand Cheeks, Matt Desert Dweller, and Joel Doesn't Bath and we will be able to find those who disagree with John, Matt, and Joel. Do you suppose the words of these fella's; John, Matt, and Joel - will be around in 4012? What would cause them to survive, and perhaps even thrive, for generations? If they are words of wisdom and power and profundity, I suspect they will have some memberance... Even 2000 years later. But I am the first person here and there will be those who will likely share a difference "discernment" and "truth". Those who will say (from the beginning) John, Matt and Joel are loons and those which subscribe to their words and thinking are also loons... lol!!! peace, Very true! Maybe..just maybe it will be my great great great grandaughter calling them the loons Thanks for your reply, Hehe.... Perhaps so! Now the question(s) I have to ask myself is; How does one have assurance that they are of sound "discernment"? How does one have comfort that they know "truth" And my answer is, they have assurance and comfort when they have a deep inner peace. And when one has a deep inner peace, they know everything will work out as it is intended. For not only themselves, but for others as well. So to conclude; I wish you and others a deep, inner peace and a comfort and assurance that brings such a peace. |
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(OP) User ID: 9285517 United States01/21/2012 06:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When it comes to the bible(s)[plural], It is not short of follower's and believers. This we can all agree on. Quoting: Aiyanna Now bare with me on this- [cringing] Lets take some versus that I will choose myself. Here they are: John 1:14 - "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 8:24 - "I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins." John 10:30-33 - "I and the Father are one." Couple more: Matt. 14:33 - "And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God’s Son!" Joel 2:32 - "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call." Now the bible is written by primitive men. Rather or not by the grace of sky bully..oops sorry guys..i mean God is up for debate. But not here, Not this time. What i would like to point out is this- Lets take "John Sand Cheeks", "Matt Desert Dweller", and "Joel Doesn't Bath" [first,middle, and last names] And we will say John, Matt, and Joel are in their 30's and seemingly "normal" for the country they live in [country isn't important right now] and the year is 2012. If they started saying the things that the orignal john, matt and joel did back in PRIMITIVE days.. WOULD YOU OR WOULDN'T YOU BELIEVE THEM? Before YOU answer please consider the times we live in today. And please account for the reports of "rare" occurences that get reported and simply LAUGHED AT. ~UFO sighting ~UFO abduction reports and stories ~ghosts, spirits, and demon sightings and hauntings ~Bigfoot sightings ~Sumarian tablet findings ~many many others that I don't have time to list. -----you get MY point------ Would the bible stand up against the PEOPLE of 2012 and beyond? Would you believe these men with the same bible stories of today? My opinion is NO. Thanks in advance !Why would you think the Bible was written by primitive men? Joel was most likely a priest, which would entail that he be literate. John was a fisherman, but he would have been literate in Hebrew, the language of the Bible, Aramaic, the common language of the people, and because it was the lingua franca of the eastern Mediterranean, Greek. Matthew, as a Roman official, would have been literate in all of the above, plus Latin. Judah was not a backwater, it was crossed by the important east-west trade routes and was a magnet for pilgrims from all over the Roman and Parthian empires. Jerusalem was considered one of the premier cities of the Empire and the Temple was a marvel of engineering. I would say that most people living today are far more primitive than those living at the height of the Roman Empire. By the way, I would believe them because they make far more sense than the bilge that passes for philosophy today. Well if you call men running around in butt flaps and metal gear, killing everyone who didn't believe in the same god as them advanced...Then theirs not much to argue here DEAR. Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. Chief Seattle, 1854 When all the trees have been cut down, when all the animals have been hunted, when all the waters are polluted, when all the air is unsafe to breathe, only then will you discover you cannot eat money. Cree Prophecy "Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers. So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin. Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother. Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth. If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~ |
