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NOBODY GOES TO HEAVEN WHEN YOU DIE! "JUST CLEANING UP THE LIES"

 
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NOBODY GOES TO HEAVEN WHEN YOU DIE! "JUST CLEANING UP THE LIES"
The book of revelation
21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.


*** TELL ME FALSE TEACHERS WHERE ARE THE RIGHTEOUS DEAD RISING FROM IF THE MESSIAH IS IN THE AIR***

For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first

*YOU FILTHY HYPOCRITES! AND LIARS WHO TEACH CONTRARY. IT IS CLEAR THAT THE DEAD ARE IN THE EARTH BELOW UNTIL THE RESURRECTION!*


What you saying neim? we were told we go to heaven in our churches by our fathers and great grands..

You don't love jesus neim, you always go against our christian belief.

Well I am sorry to be the bearer of what you think is bad news, but if you like me to explain I will.

Well when you die you are in the grave until the resurection.SIMPLE!

WHAT HAPPENS IN THE GRAVE? TWO THINGS!AS LUKE CHP 16 EXPLAINED BY MESSIAH!

O how I hate that neim, he always doing this!

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2ND ESDRAS CHP 7: THE PLACE OF TORMENT
"If I have found favor in your sight, Sovereign, show this also to your slave; whether after death as soon as each one of us gives up his soul, we shall be faithfully kept at rest until those times come when you begin to renew the creation, or shall be tortured at once."
76 And he answered me and said,
"I will show you that also; but you must not associate with those who have shown scorn, or count yourself among
77 those who are tortured. For you have a treasure of works
laid up with the Most High, but it will not be shown to you
78 until the last times. For about death, the teaching is: When
the final sentence goes forth from the Most High that a man is to die, when the soul departs from the body to return again to him who gave it, first of all it prays to the glory of
79 the Most High; if it was one of those who scorned and did
not observe the way of the Most High, and if those who have despised his law, and of those who hate those who fear
80 God, such spirits shall not enter dwellings but wander about
thenceforth in torment, always grieving and sad, in seven
81 ways: The first way is that they have scorned the Law of
82 the Most High. The second way is that they can no longer
83 make a good repentance, so that they may live. The third
way is that they will see the reward destined for those who
84 have believed the agreements of the Most High. The fourth
way is that they will consider the torment destined for them
85 in the last days. The fifth way is that they will see that the
dwelling-places of the others are guarded by angels in profound
86 silence. The sixth way is that they will see that some
of them will pass over to be tormented henceforth. The
87 seventh way, which is worse than all the ways that have
been mentioned, is that they will waste away in shame and be consumed in disgrace, and wither with fear, at seeing the glory of the Most High before whom they sinned while they lived, and before whom they are destined to be judged in the last times.



2ND ESDRAS CHP 7: ABRAHAMS BOSOM

88 "But of those who have observed the ways of the Most
High, this is the order, when they shall be separated
89 from this fragile jar. In the time when they lived in it,
they carefully served the Most High, though they were in danger every hour, so as to keep the Law of the Lawgiver
90 perfectly. Therefore this is the teaching about them:
91 First of all, they see with great taking away the glory of him who
92 takes them up, for they will rest in seven orders. The first
order is that they have striven with much toil to conquer the wicked thought that was formed with them, so that it should
93 not lead them away from life to death. The second order
is that they see the labyrinth in which the souls of the
94 ungodly wander, and the punishment that awaits them. The
third order is that they see the testimony that he who formed them has borne to them, because when they were alive they faithfully observed the Law which was given
95 them. The fourth order is that they understand the rest
which they now enjoy, gathered in their chambers, in great quietness, watched over by angels, and the glory that awaits
96 them in the last days. The fifth order is that they exult that
they have now escaped what is corruptible and will possess the future as their inheritance, and besides perceive the narrowness and toilsomeness from which they have been freed and the spaciousness they are destined to receive and enjoy
97 in immortality. The sixth order is that it is shown to them
how their face is destined to shine like the sun, and how they are to be made like the light of the stars, and be incorruptible
98 thenceforth. The seventh order, which is greater than all
those that have been mentioned, is that they will exult boldly, and that they will trust confidently, and rejoice fearlessly, for they hasten to see the face of him whom they served in life, and from whom they are to receive their reward when
99 they are glorified. These are the orders of the souls of the
upright, as henceforth proclaimed, and the above ways of torture are those which those who would not give heed will henceforth suffer."

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 06/07/2012 07:32 AM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I do this so we live the truth given to us by messiah the glorified and sovereign son of the most high "the great I am"



For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.




29
Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Ps 132:11 2 Sam 7:12,13

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Ps 16:10

32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

34 For David is not ascended into the heavens:

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 02/09/2012 07:47 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I guess the thief of the cross was one of the lucky ones...

... And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise..." - Luke 23:43

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I don't buy that. Salvation is an ongoing process. Eternity is already here, whether we are alive or have moved on, either up or down.
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You go somewhere. Call it what you want.
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I guess the thief of the cross was one of the lucky ones...

... And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise..." - Luke 23:43

tounge

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paradise is in abrahams bosom in the earth..When Jesus said today you will be with me in paradise ,He went into hades to preach to those who never had recieved the word.

"There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
'And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
"And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 'And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
"And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and sees Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
"And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
"But Abraham said, Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and you are tormented.
"And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from there to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from there.
"Then he said, I pray therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house:
"For I have five brothers; that he may testify unto them, unless they also come into this place of torment.
'Abraham said unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
'And he said, No, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
"And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead" (Luke 16:19-31).
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Show me differently
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I guess the thief of the cross was one of the lucky ones...

... And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise..." - Luke 23:43

tounge

God Bless OP.

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


paradise is in abrahams bosom in the earth..When Jesus said today you will be with me in paradise ,He went into hades to preach to those who never had recieved the word.

"There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
..." (Luke 16:19-31).
 Quoting: neim777


Thanks for posting that wonderful parable.

In 2 Corinthians 5, Paul tells us that to be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD. Is the LORD in the grave? God forbid!

Wherever Jesus is, that is where I wish to be... In His presence.

God Bless OP.

peace,
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I guess the thief of the cross was one of the lucky ones...

... And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise..." - Luke 23:43

tounge

God Bless OP.

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


paradise is in abrahams bosom in the earth..When Jesus said today you will be with me in paradise ,He went into hades to preach to those who never had recieved the word.

"There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
..." (Luke 16:19-31).
 Quoting: neim777


Thanks for posting that wonderful parable.

In 2 Corinthians 5, Paul tells us that to be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD. Is the LORD in the grave? God forbid!

Wherever Jesus is, that is where I wish to be... In His presence.

God Bless OP.

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


when one dies your spirit the breath of life returns to the father who gave you the breath of life. The body returns to the dust and the soul goes to abrahams bosom as in luke.There is a great divide between the righteous and the sinners as seen explained by the messiah..Abrahams bosom is a place of comfort until the final judgement.


Where is king david? search the scriptures it said he has not yet ascended!

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 02/09/2012 07:38 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I guess the thief of the cross was one of the lucky ones...

... And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise..." - Luke 23:43

tounge

God Bless OP.

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


paradise is in abrahams bosom in the earth..When Jesus said today you will be with me in paradise ,He went into hades to preach to those who never had recieved the word.

"There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
..." (Luke 16:19-31).
 Quoting: neim777


Thanks for posting that wonderful parable.

In 2 Corinthians 5, Paul tells us that to be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD. Is the LORD in the grave? God forbid!

Wherever Jesus is, that is where I wish to be... In His presence.

God Bless OP.

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


when one dies your spirit the breath of life returns to the father who gave you the breath of life. The body reurns to the dust and the soul goes to abrahams bosom as in luke.There is a great divide between the righteous and the sinners as seen expalained by the messiah..Abrahams bosom is a place of comfort until the final judgement.
 Quoting: neim777



Where is The Christ? Wherever He is is where I desire to be.

God Bless OP.

peace,
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paradise is in abrahams bosom in the earth..When Jesus said today you will be with me in paradise ,He went into hades to preach to those who never had recieved the word.

"There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
..." (Luke 16:19-31).
 Quoting: neim777


Thanks for posting that wonderful parable.

In 2 Corinthians 5, Paul tells us that to be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD. Is the LORD in the grave? God forbid!

Wherever Jesus is, that is where I wish to be... In His presence.

God Bless OP.

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


when one dies your spirit the breath of life returns to the father who gave you the breath of life. The body reurns to the dust and the soul goes to abrahams bosom as in luke.There is a great divide between the righteous and the sinners as seen expalained by the messiah..Abrahams bosom is a place of comfort until the final judgement.
 Quoting: neim777



Where is The Christ? Wherever He is is where I desire to be.

God Bless OP.

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

AFter this we will reign with him on paradise in the earth

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 02/09/2012 07:42 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Thanks for posting that wonderful parable.

In 2 Corinthians 5, Paul tells us that to be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD. Is the LORD in the grave? God forbid!

Wherever Jesus is, that is where I wish to be... In His presence.

God Bless OP.

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


when one dies your spirit the breath of life returns to the father who gave you the breath of life. The body reurns to the dust and the soul goes to abrahams bosom as in luke.There is a great divide between the righteous and the sinners as seen expalained by the messiah..Abrahams bosom is a place of comfort until the final judgement.
 Quoting: neim777



Where is The Christ? Wherever He is is where I desire to be.

God Bless OP.

peace,
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For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
 Quoting: neim777


So He is in Heaven... Got it....

God Bless OP.

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when one dies your spirit the breath of life returns to the father who gave you the breath of life. The body reurns to the dust and the soul goes to abrahams bosom as in luke.There is a great divide between the righteous and the sinners as seen expalained by the messiah..Abrahams bosom is a place of comfort until the final judgement.
 Quoting: neim777



Where is The Christ? Wherever He is is where I desire to be.

God Bless OP.

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
 Quoting: neim777


So He is in Heaven... Got it....

God Bless OP.

peace,
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nice glad you got it,this is important to understand because you go to funerals and the pastor be telling people all these lies. everybody seems to be in heaven in a better place.

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 02/09/2012 07:51 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I guess the thief of the cross was one of the lucky ones...

... And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise..." - Luke 23:43

tounge

God Bless OP.

peace,
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shouldnt that be:

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with me in paradise.
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Where is The Christ? Wherever He is is where I desire to be.

God Bless OP.

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
 Quoting: neim777


So He is in Heaven... Got it....

God Bless OP.

peace,
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nice glad you got it,,,this is imporetant to understnad because you go to funerals and the pastor be telling people all these lies. everybody seems to be in heaven in a better place.
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Oh it is not important to me. But it is to you and that is what matters to me.

God Bless.

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I guess the thief of the cross was one of the lucky ones...

... And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise..." - Luke 23:43

tounge

God Bless OP.

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


shouldnt that be:

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with me in paradise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1733274


ok picky
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Agree OP, but it looks like there are a few jumbled concepts at work already.




1. Thief on the cross

Jesus told the thief "today you shall be with me in paradise".

There are two ways of looking at this, knowing Jesus earlier informed us the dead sleep until the Second Coming.(Mat.13:23-47)

a) Today the accused thief was considered saved. Paul says the next waking moment is to be with the Lord. Jesus went to the grave for three days so the thief did not go to paradise that day.

b) misplaced comma: Jesus said today, you shall be in paradise.

2. Did Jesus go to hades?

This Greek word simply means the grave.

3. Where is Abraham's bossom?

Jesus often told “parables” or stories that were symbolic of deeper truths. Although parables contain many practical lessons, not every item should be taken literally. Is this story a parable? We believe so.

Here are 7 reasons why:

1. Jesus often began His parables with the phrase, "a certain…" this or that (see Luke 14:16; 15:11; 16:1; 19:11, 12; 20:9, KJV). If you look up these verses in Luke’s gospel, you will discover that they are all parables. Thus it’s logical to assume the Rich Man and Lazarus story is also a parable.

2. A man cannot physically enter into "the bosom" or chest of another person as Christ described.

3. Can someone literally burning in flames carry on a normal conversation?

4. Can those in heaven and hell talk to each other?

5. Jesus represented the rich man as being bodily in hell, with eyes, a mouth, a tongue, etc. This is obviously symbolic. If you were to dig up a real rich man's grave, wouldn't his body be there? Of course!

6. A real burning man would not request a little water to cool his tongue alone. What about the rest of his body?

7. Consciousness at death contradicts the rest of the Bible.

Steve Wohlberg
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The Protestant Reformers understood this truth about death.
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Agree OP, but it looks like there are a few jumbled concepts at work already.


1. Thief on the cross

Jesus told the thief "today you shall be with me in paradise".

There are two ways of looking at this, knowing Jesus earlier informed us the dead sleep until the Second Coming.(Mat.13:23-47)

a) Today the accused thief was considered saved. Paul says the next waking moment is to be with the Lord. Jesus went to the grave for three days so the thief did not go to paradise that day.

b) misplaced comma: Jesus said today, you shall be in paradise.

2. Did Jesus go to hades?

This Greek word simply means the grave.

3. Where is Abraham's bossom?

Jesus often told “parables” or stories that were symbolic of deeper truths. Although parables contain many practical lessons, not every item should be taken literally. Is this story a parable? We believe so.

Here are 7 reasons why:

1. Jesus often began His parables with the phrase, "a certain…" this or that (see Luke 14:16; 15:11; 16:1; 19:11, 12; 20:9, KJV). If you look up these verses in Luke’s gospel, you will discover that they are all parables. Thus it’s logical to assume the Rich Man and Lazarus story is also a parable.

2. A man cannot physically enter into "the bosom" or chest of another person as Christ described.

3. Can someone literally burning in flames carry on a normal conversation?

4. Can those in heaven and hell talk to each other?

5. Jesus represented the rich man as being bodily in hell, with eyes, a mouth, a tongue, etc. This is obviously symbolic. If you were to dig up a real rich man's grave, wouldn't his body be there? Of course!

6. A real burning man would not request a little water to cool his tongue alone. What about the rest of his body?

7. Consciousness at death contradicts the rest of the Bible.

Steve Wohlberg
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The Protestant Reformers understood this truth about death.
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You cannot let seminarian views confuse you..these articles I keep away from. seminarians are ttaught philosphy of man so they dangle with idealogies based on mans limited capacity to think like the most high.If you agree you have already agreed with Gods WORD ...

LEAVE Mr WOHlBERG AND THESE JEWISH CHRISTIAN CONVERTS OUT OF THIS


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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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“I eagerly expect and hope that I will in no way be ashamed, but will have sufficient courage so that now as always Christ will be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death. For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. Convinced of this, I know that I will remain, and I will continue with all of you for your progress and joy in the faith, so that through my being with you again your joy in Christ Jesus will overflow on account of me.” (Phil. 1:20-26)


To be "absent from the body" is to be "present with the Lord" (2 Cor. 5:8)

Luke 23:43 (KJV) 43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 (NKJV) Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it.
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I won't post again, not interested in debating. The scriptures are evidence enough that the soul lives on after the body dies.
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For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

AFter this we will reign with him on paradise in the earth
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You should consider that the millennium is in heaven. At that time Satan is bound here on earth alone.

Since the dead do not go to heaven at death, when do they go? They go at the second coming. Jesus said he goes to prepare a place for us and will come again to take us there. At the second coming we meet him in the air and return to heaven.

After this millennium is when New Jerusalem comes down with the saints onboard landing on Mt Olive, followed by GWTJ and new earth.

[link to www.1000yearmillennium.com]

i think there's a short video about it here ..
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“I eagerly expect and hope that I will in no way be ashamed, but will have sufficient courage so that now as always Christ will be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death. For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. Convinced of this, I know that I will remain, and I will continue with all of you for your progress and joy in the faith, so that through my being with you again your joy in Christ Jesus will overflow on account of me.” (Phil. 1:20-26)


To be "absent from the body" is to be "present with the Lord" (2 Cor. 5:8)

Luke 23:43 (KJV) 43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 (NKJV) Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it.

 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


THE SPIRIT IS THE BREATH OF LIFE WHICH RETURNS TO THE FATHER

THE SOUL GOES TO HADES EITHER IN ABRAHANS BOSSOM OR THE PLACE OF TORMENT

THE BODY RETURNS TO THE DUST



For David did not go up to heaven, but he said, 'The Lord said to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand,

1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Another interesting subject!

Thank you OP for posting.


For some reason

1Cor 15 keeps 'coming up'this week (pun intended)

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised



Wouldn't it 'suck' to come from paradise to here?


How long have they been dead?

(Especially if a day is like a thousand years)




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Another clueless Soul, poor YOU! bsflagbsflagbsflagbsflagbsflags226
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For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

AFter this we will reign with him on paradise in the earth
 Quoting: neim777


You should consider that the millennium is in heaven. At that time Satan is bound here on earth alone.

Since the dead do not go to heaven at death, when do they go? They go at the second coming. Jesus said he goes to prepare a place for us and will come again to take us there. At the second coming we meet him in the air and return to heaven.

After this millennium is when New Jerusalem comes down with the saints onboard landing on Mt Olive, followed by GWTJ and new earth.

[link to www.1000yearmillennium.com]

i think there's a short video about it here ..
[link to studies.itiswritten.com]


hf
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PARADISE WILL BE ON EARTH FOR A THOUSAND YEARS THEN A NEW HEAVEN WILL DESCEND REVEALTION CHAPTER 22
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I guess the thief of the cross was one of the lucky ones...

... And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise..." - Luke 23:43

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God Bless OP.

peace,
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shouldnt that be:

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with me in paradise.
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ok picky
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That's not being picky at all, it's setting the record straight. I heard the same thing from a Messianic. Jesus did mention 'jots & tittles' for a reason.
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“I eagerly expect and hope that I will in no way be ashamed, but will have sufficient courage so that now as always Christ will be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death. For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. Convinced of this, I know that I will remain, and I will continue with all of you for your progress and joy in the faith, so that through my being with you again your joy in Christ Jesus will overflow on account of me.” (Phil. 1:20-26)


To be "absent from the body" is to be "present with the Lord" (2 Cor. 5:8)

Luke 23:43 (KJV) 43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 (NKJV) Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it.

 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


The spirit is the breath of life.

Body+spirit=soul

Man is a living soul. The soul the sins it shall die.

Paul said to be absent with the body is to be present with the Lord. He was not contradicting Jesus (Mat.13:23-47) rather was referring to the new immortal body after the resurrection. This will be our next waking moment as death is a sleep which we will not remember!
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"Heaven" is a fairy tale for adults. It was invented because most people are afraid to die.
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Another interesting subject!

Thank you OP for posting.


For some reason

1Cor 15 keeps 'coming up'this week (pun intended)

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised



Wouldn't it 'suck' to come from paradise to here?


How long have they been dead?

(Especially if a day is like a thousand years)




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 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


THE DEAD WILL RISE TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR...WHERE ARE THE RISING FROM? THE BOWELS OF THE EARTH! THEN WE WILL BE CHANGED INTO MORTALITY TO FIGHT ALONGSIDE THE LORD THE WICKED ON THE EARTH..

YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 02/09/2012 08:08 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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“I eagerly expect and hope that I will in no way be ashamed, but will have sufficient courage so that now as always Christ will be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death. For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. Convinced of this, I know that I will remain, and I will continue with all of you for your progress and joy in the faith, so that through my being with you again your joy in Christ Jesus will overflow on account of me.” (Phil. 1:20-26)


To be "absent from the body" is to be "present with the Lord" (2 Cor. 5:8)

Luke 23:43 (KJV) 43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 (NKJV) Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it.

 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


The spirit is the breath of life.

Body+spirit=soul

Man is a living soul. The soul the sins it shall die.

Paul said to be absent with the body is to be present with the Lord. He was not contradicting Jesus (Mat.13:23-47) rather was referring to the new immortal body after the resurrection. This will be our next waking moment as death is a sleep which we will not remember!
 Quoting: chuck 4760021


If we will not remember it then what is the debate about again?

chuckle

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