NOBODY GOES TO HEAVEN WHEN YOU DIE! "JUST CLEANING UP THE LIES"

Thank you.


But they were just questions.



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I've heard the argument and am not sure the comma is suppose to be moved. The Reformers did believe in soul sleep and understood the verse. They even capitalized Today. I believe what is being said is Today the thief was saved. Either way Jesus did not go to "paradise" that day.

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BUT RATHER BODY SOUL AND SPIRIT IS THE PACKAGE..BUT I SEE YOU UNDERSTAND IT

ok I got you...very cool...I am sorry I did not notice it was you though

II Corinthians 5:8 "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."


The Rich Man and Lazarus Luke Chapter 16:19


19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that [would come] from thence.

27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Yes we all go to heaven when we die, some on the good side and some on the bad side.

Thank you again.


This verse ties it all together: (humble opinion)

Mark 10:31
But many that are first shall be last; and the last first.




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^Where was He when He said that?^




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"has" is [past tense]... Otherwise who does the Hebrew writer speak of here:

"... But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant..." - Hebrews 12:22-24

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It is clear (to me) who is "now" dwelling in the city of the living God.

God Bless.

peace,

This is a record of moses on mount sinai in the presence the MOST HIGH ON SINAI..

Thanks for sharing your views.

It is not how I read the text. Moses is being compared to what was and what is (IMHO).

God Bless.

peace,

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...even the Son of man which is in heaven.



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Present tense

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You are right in that context and I did not take time to elaborate sorry.

it was being explained to the assembly of believers that they have access to the father because of messiah death .Our prayers are Direct to the heavenlies. Moses long ago had to speak for the people but we have a relationship in the heavenlies through the christ. MIND YOU THIS WAS ENCOURAGEMENT TO THE HEBREWS FOR THEY UNDERSTOOD THE PLIGHTS OF THEIR FOREGATHERS IN THE WILDERNESS

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Neim the nickpicker, at it again.

One day you will love me..because I love you I put out the truth

But who do we come into It is just The Father and The Son?

We see several members present in the city, yes?

We see An innumerable company of angels
We see The general assembly and church of the firstborn
We see God the Judge of all
We see Spirits of just men made perfect
We see Jesus the mediator of the new covenant

These are present yes?
These have ascended, yes?

I think so. Scripture seems to paint such a picture (to me).

God Bless.

peace,

humble too!

Lazarus' bosom was a parable, not meant to explain someone going to hell fire.

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If you knew what you were talking about and quit taking verses out of context it would be nice. But I suppose that would defeat your trolling.

Try twisting this:
1Th 4:13 Now, concerning those who from time to time pass away, we would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, lest you should mourn as others do who have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus has died and risen again, we also believe that, through Jesus, God will bring with Him those who shall have passed away.
1Th 4:15 For this we declare to you on the Lord's own authority--that we who are alive and continue on earth until the Coming of the Lord, shall certainly not forestall those who shall have previously passed away.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord Himself will come down from Heaven with a loud word of command, and with an archangel's voice and the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
The concept being dealt with is; the order in which the Saints receive their resurrection bodies, not where they are coming from.

1Th 4:17 Afterwards we who are alive and are still on earth will be caught up in their company amid clouds to meet the Lord in the air.


So where is God? in Heaven, If He brings the dead in Christ with Him from Heaven, then where are they after Death? In Heaven.
So you are wrong, AGAIN.

Before the Death and Resurrection of Christ, the Dead resided in either Hades or Paradise. Since they Died in their Sins, the Godly could not go to Heaven, until Jesus paid their Ransom with His death.

And where will He be?...



Revelation 21:2
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.



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so you tell me seminarian.. when christ appears where are the dead rising from?

And this is the will of him that sent me, that everyone who sees the Son, and believes on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

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Hi Chuck.......nowhere are we told we will live in *heaven*.....the millenium, nor thereafter, is in *heaven*

did the messiah bring lazarus out from heaven above ? did Lazarus come down to earth in a cloud?

wake up! and stop the nonsense


Lazarus came from the grave where he was in abrahams bosom

When the messiah was crucified there were men resurected...yes the people saw men who were dead walking around town...they did not come from the skies the graves were opened.

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He doesn't bring the "dead in HIm" with him........

Had Messiah provided atonement for Lazurus' sin at that time?

God Bless.

peace,

Had he provided for king david?

Completely clueless...

He provided for every man, especially those who believe. - 1 Timothy 4:10.

Graves were indeed opened (as you mention).

We see John 11:25-26 placed there also. We see those who were dead, yet they were made alive. But what of the living (in that passage)?

"... Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?..." - John 11:25-26

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What do you make of that OP?

Seeing as it is right within the context of Lazarus, I find it a very interesting and peculiar passage. Whosoever lives and believes in The Christ shall never die. If that be the case then where is the grave for those people? I cannot find it.

God Bless.

peace,