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(OP) User ID: 9984984 United States 02/09/2012 07:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I do this so we live the truth given to us by messiah the glorified and sovereign son of the most high "the great I am" For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; Ps 132:11 2 Sam 7:12,13 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. Ps 16:10 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 02/09/2012 07:47 PM 1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
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(OP) User ID: 9984984 United States 02/09/2012 07:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I guess the thief of the cross was one of the lucky ones... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370 ... And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise..." - Luke 23:43 God Bless OP. peace, paradise is in abrahams bosom in the earth..When Jesus said today you will be with me in paradise ,He went into hades to preach to those who never had recieved the word. "There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: 'And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, "And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 'And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; "And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and sees Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. "And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. "But Abraham said, Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and you are tormented. "And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from there to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from there. "Then he said, I pray therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house: "For I have five brothers; that he may testify unto them, unless they also come into this place of torment. 'Abraham said unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 'And he said, No, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. "And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead" (Luke 16:19-31). 1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
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(OP) User ID: 9984984 United States 02/09/2012 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Show me differently 1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1194370 United States 02/09/2012 07:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I guess the thief of the cross was one of the lucky ones... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370 ... And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise..." - Luke 23:43 God Bless OP. peace, paradise is in abrahams bosom in the earth..When Jesus said today you will be with me in paradise ,He went into hades to preach to those who never had recieved the word. "There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: ..." (Luke 16:19-31). Thanks for posting that wonderful parable. In 2 Corinthians 5, Paul tells us that to be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD. Is the LORD in the grave? God forbid! Wherever Jesus is, that is where I wish to be... In His presence. God Bless OP. peace, |
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(OP) User ID: 9984984 United States 02/09/2012 07:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I guess the thief of the cross was one of the lucky ones... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370 ... And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise..." - Luke 23:43 God Bless OP. peace, paradise is in abrahams bosom in the earth..When Jesus said today you will be with me in paradise ,He went into hades to preach to those who never had recieved the word. "There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: ..." (Luke 16:19-31). Thanks for posting that wonderful parable. In 2 Corinthians 5, Paul tells us that to be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD. Is the LORD in the grave? God forbid! Wherever Jesus is, that is where I wish to be... In His presence. God Bless OP. peace, when one dies your spirit the breath of life returns to the father who gave you the breath of life. The body returns to the dust and the soul goes to abrahams bosom as in luke.There is a great divide between the righteous and the sinners as seen explained by the messiah..Abrahams bosom is a place of comfort until the final judgement. Where is king david? search the scriptures it said he has not yet ascended! Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 02/09/2012 07:38 PM 1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1194370 United States 02/09/2012 07:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I guess the thief of the cross was one of the lucky ones... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370 ... And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise..." - Luke 23:43 God Bless OP. peace, paradise is in abrahams bosom in the earth..When Jesus said today you will be with me in paradise ,He went into hades to preach to those who never had recieved the word. "There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: ..." (Luke 16:19-31). Thanks for posting that wonderful parable. In 2 Corinthians 5, Paul tells us that to be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD. Is the LORD in the grave? God forbid! Wherever Jesus is, that is where I wish to be... In His presence. God Bless OP. peace, when one dies your spirit the breath of life returns to the father who gave you the breath of life. The body reurns to the dust and the soul goes to abrahams bosom as in luke.There is a great divide between the righteous and the sinners as seen expalained by the messiah..Abrahams bosom is a place of comfort until the final judgement. Where is The Christ? Wherever He is is where I desire to be. God Bless OP. peace, |
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(OP) User ID: 9984984 United States 02/09/2012 07:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: neim777 paradise is in abrahams bosom in the earth..When Jesus said today you will be with me in paradise ,He went into hades to preach to those who never had recieved the word. "There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: ..." (Luke 16:19-31). Thanks for posting that wonderful parable. In 2 Corinthians 5, Paul tells us that to be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD. Is the LORD in the grave? God forbid! Wherever Jesus is, that is where I wish to be... In His presence. God Bless OP. peace, when one dies your spirit the breath of life returns to the father who gave you the breath of life. The body reurns to the dust and the soul goes to abrahams bosom as in luke.There is a great divide between the righteous and the sinners as seen expalained by the messiah..Abrahams bosom is a place of comfort until the final judgement. Where is The Christ? Wherever He is is where I desire to be. God Bless OP. peace, For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. AFter this we will reign with him on paradise in the earth Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 02/09/2012 07:42 PM 1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1194370 United States 02/09/2012 07:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370 Thanks for posting that wonderful parable. In 2 Corinthians 5, Paul tells us that to be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD. Is the LORD in the grave? God forbid! Wherever Jesus is, that is where I wish to be... In His presence. God Bless OP. peace, when one dies your spirit the breath of life returns to the father who gave you the breath of life. The body reurns to the dust and the soul goes to abrahams bosom as in luke.There is a great divide between the righteous and the sinners as seen expalained by the messiah..Abrahams bosom is a place of comfort until the final judgement. Where is The Christ? Wherever He is is where I desire to be. God Bless OP. peace, For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. So He is in Heaven... Got it.... God Bless OP. peace, |
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(OP) User ID: 9984984 United States 02/09/2012 07:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: neim777 when one dies your spirit the breath of life returns to the father who gave you the breath of life. The body reurns to the dust and the soul goes to abrahams bosom as in luke.There is a great divide between the righteous and the sinners as seen expalained by the messiah..Abrahams bosom is a place of comfort until the final judgement. Where is The Christ? Wherever He is is where I desire to be. God Bless OP. peace, For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. So He is in Heaven... Got it.... God Bless OP. peace, nice glad you got it,this is important to understand because you go to funerals and the pastor be telling people all these lies. everybody seems to be in heaven in a better place. Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 02/09/2012 07:51 PM 1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1733274 Poland 02/09/2012 07:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I guess the thief of the cross was one of the lucky ones... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370 ... And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise..." - Luke 23:43 God Bless OP. peace, shouldnt that be: And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with me in paradise. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1194370 United States 02/09/2012 07:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370 Where is The Christ? Wherever He is is where I desire to be. God Bless OP. peace, For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. So He is in Heaven... Got it.... God Bless OP. peace, nice glad you got it,,,this is imporetant to understnad because you go to funerals and the pastor be telling people all these lies. everybody seems to be in heaven in a better place. Oh it is not important to me. But it is to you and that is what matters to me. God Bless. peace, |
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(OP) User ID: 9984984 United States 02/09/2012 07:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I guess the thief of the cross was one of the lucky ones... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370 ... And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise..." - Luke 23:43 God Bless OP. peace, shouldnt that be: And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with me in paradise. ok picky 1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
chuck User ID: 4760021 United States 02/09/2012 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Agree OP, but it looks like there are a few jumbled concepts at work already. 1. Thief on the cross Jesus told the thief "today you shall be with me in paradise". There are two ways of looking at this, knowing Jesus earlier informed us the dead sleep until the Second Coming.(Mat.13:23-47) a) Today the accused thief was considered saved. Paul says the next waking moment is to be with the Lord. Jesus went to the grave for three days so the thief did not go to paradise that day. b) misplaced comma: Jesus said today, you shall be in paradise. 2. Did Jesus go to hades? This Greek word simply means the grave. 3. Where is Abraham's bossom? Jesus often told “parables” or stories that were symbolic of deeper truths. Although parables contain many practical lessons, not every item should be taken literally. Is this story a parable? We believe so. Here are 7 reasons why: 1. Jesus often began His parables with the phrase, "a certain…" this or that (see Luke 14:16; 15:11; 16:1; 19:11, 12; 20:9, KJV). If you look up these verses in Luke’s gospel, you will discover that they are all parables. Thus it’s logical to assume the Rich Man and Lazarus story is also a parable. 2. A man cannot physically enter into "the bosom" or chest of another person as Christ described. 3. Can someone literally burning in flames carry on a normal conversation? 4. Can those in heaven and hell talk to each other? 5. Jesus represented the rich man as being bodily in hell, with eyes, a mouth, a tongue, etc. This is obviously symbolic. If you were to dig up a real rich man's grave, wouldn't his body be there? Of course! 6. A real burning man would not request a little water to cool his tongue alone. What about the rest of his body? 7. Consciousness at death contradicts the rest of the Bible. Steve Wohlberg [link to www.whitehorsemedia.com] The Protestant Reformers understood this truth about death. [link to biblelight.net] |
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(OP) User ID: 9984984 United States 02/09/2012 08:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Agree OP, but it looks like there are a few jumbled concepts at work already. Quoting: chuck 4760021 1. Thief on the cross Jesus told the thief "today you shall be with me in paradise". There are two ways of looking at this, knowing Jesus earlier informed us the dead sleep until the Second Coming.(Mat.13:23-47) a) Today the accused thief was considered saved. Paul says the next waking moment is to be with the Lord. Jesus went to the grave for three days so the thief did not go to paradise that day. b) misplaced comma: Jesus said today, you shall be in paradise. 2. Did Jesus go to hades? This Greek word simply means the grave. 3. Where is Abraham's bossom? Jesus often told “parables” or stories that were symbolic of deeper truths. Although parables contain many practical lessons, not every item should be taken literally. Is this story a parable? We believe so. Here are 7 reasons why: 1. Jesus often began His parables with the phrase, "a certain…" this or that (see Luke 14:16; 15:11; 16:1; 19:11, 12; 20:9, KJV). If you look up these verses in Luke’s gospel, you will discover that they are all parables. Thus it’s logical to assume the Rich Man and Lazarus story is also a parable. 2. A man cannot physically enter into "the bosom" or chest of another person as Christ described. 3. Can someone literally burning in flames carry on a normal conversation? 4. Can those in heaven and hell talk to each other? 5. Jesus represented the rich man as being bodily in hell, with eyes, a mouth, a tongue, etc. This is obviously symbolic. If you were to dig up a real rich man's grave, wouldn't his body be there? Of course! 6. A real burning man would not request a little water to cool his tongue alone. What about the rest of his body? 7. Consciousness at death contradicts the rest of the Bible. Steve Wohlberg [link to www.whitehorsemedia.com] The Protestant Reformers understood this truth about death. [link to biblelight.net] You cannot let seminarian views confuse you..these articles I keep away from. seminarians are ttaught philosphy of man so they dangle with idealogies based on mans limited capacity to think like the most high.If you agree you have already agreed with Gods WORD ... LEAVE Mr WOHlBERG AND THESE JEWISH CHRISTIAN CONVERTS OUT OF THIS Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 02/09/2012 08:02 PM 1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1106916 United States 02/09/2012 08:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “I eagerly expect and hope that I will in no way be ashamed, but will have sufficient courage so that now as always Christ will be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death. For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. Convinced of this, I know that I will remain, and I will continue with all of you for your progress and joy in the faith, so that through my being with you again your joy in Christ Jesus will overflow on account of me.” (Phil. 1:20-26) To be "absent from the body" is to be "present with the Lord" (2 Cor. 5:8) Luke 23:43 (KJV) 43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Ecclesiastes 12:7 (NKJV) Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it. |
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chuck User ID: 4760021 United States 02/09/2012 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Quoting: neim777 AFter this we will reign with him on paradise in the earth You should consider that the millennium is in heaven. At that time Satan is bound here on earth alone. Since the dead do not go to heaven at death, when do they go? They go at the second coming. Jesus said he goes to prepare a place for us and will come again to take us there. At the second coming we meet him in the air and return to heaven. After this millennium is when New Jerusalem comes down with the saints onboard landing on Mt Olive, followed by GWTJ and new earth. [link to www.1000yearmillennium.com] i think there's a short video about it here .. [link to studies.itiswritten.com] |
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(OP) User ID: 9984984 United States 02/09/2012 08:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “I eagerly expect and hope that I will in no way be ashamed, but will have sufficient courage so that now as always Christ will be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death. For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. Convinced of this, I know that I will remain, and I will continue with all of you for your progress and joy in the faith, so that through my being with you again your joy in Christ Jesus will overflow on account of me.” (Phil. 1:20-26) Quoting: Lisa*Lisa To be "absent from the body" is to be "present with the Lord" (2 Cor. 5:8) Luke 23:43 (KJV) 43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Ecclesiastes 12:7 (NKJV) Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it. THE SPIRIT IS THE BREATH OF LIFE WHICH RETURNS TO THE FATHER THE SOUL GOES TO HADES EITHER IN ABRAHANS BOSSOM OR THE PLACE OF TORMENT THE BODY RETURNS TO THE DUST For David did not go up to heaven, but he said, 'The Lord said to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand, 1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
Daniel's Seventieth Seven User ID: 1071051 United States 02/09/2012 08:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . Another interesting subject! Thank you OP for posting. For some reason 1Cor 15 keeps 'coming up'this week (pun intended) 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised Wouldn't it 'suck' to come from paradise to here? How long have they been dead? (Especially if a day is like a thousand years) ? |
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(OP) User ID: 9984984 United States 02/09/2012 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Quoting: neim777 AFter this we will reign with him on paradise in the earth You should consider that the millennium is in heaven. At that time Satan is bound here on earth alone. Since the dead do not go to heaven at death, when do they go? They go at the second coming. Jesus said he goes to prepare a place for us and will come again to take us there. At the second coming we meet him in the air and return to heaven. After this millennium is when New Jerusalem comes down with the saints onboard landing on Mt Olive, followed by GWTJ and new earth. [link to www.1000yearmillennium.com] i think there's a short video about it here .. [link to studies.itiswritten.com] PARADISE WILL BE ON EARTH FOR A THOUSAND YEARS THEN A NEW HEAVEN WILL DESCEND REVEALTION CHAPTER 22 1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9948034 United States 02/09/2012 08:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I guess the thief of the cross was one of the lucky ones... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370 ... And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise..." - Luke 23:43 God Bless OP. peace, shouldnt that be: And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with me in paradise. ok picky That's not being picky at all, it's setting the record straight. I heard the same thing from a Messianic. Jesus did mention 'jots & tittles' for a reason. |
chuck User ID: 4760021 United States 02/09/2012 08:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “I eagerly expect and hope that I will in no way be ashamed, but will have sufficient courage so that now as always Christ will be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death. For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. Convinced of this, I know that I will remain, and I will continue with all of you for your progress and joy in the faith, so that through my being with you again your joy in Christ Jesus will overflow on account of me.” (Phil. 1:20-26) Quoting: Lisa*Lisa To be "absent from the body" is to be "present with the Lord" (2 Cor. 5:8) Luke 23:43 (KJV) 43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Ecclesiastes 12:7 (NKJV) Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it. The spirit is the breath of life. Body+spirit=soul Man is a living soul. The soul the sins it shall die. Paul said to be absent with the body is to be present with the Lord. He was not contradicting Jesus (Mat.13:23-47) rather was referring to the new immortal body after the resurrection. This will be our next waking moment as death is a sleep which we will not remember! |
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(OP) User ID: 9984984 United States 02/09/2012 08:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051 Another interesting subject! Thank you OP for posting. For some reason 1Cor 15 keeps 'coming up'this week (pun intended) 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised Wouldn't it 'suck' to come from paradise to here? How long have they been dead? (Especially if a day is like a thousand years) ? THE DEAD WILL RISE TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR...WHERE ARE THE RISING FROM? THE BOWELS OF THE EARTH! THEN WE WILL BE CHANGED INTO MORTALITY TO FIGHT ALONGSIDE THE LORD THE WICKED ON THE EARTH.. YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 02/09/2012 08:08 PM 1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1194370 United States 02/09/2012 08:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “I eagerly expect and hope that I will in no way be ashamed, but will have sufficient courage so that now as always Christ will be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death. For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. Convinced of this, I know that I will remain, and I will continue with all of you for your progress and joy in the faith, so that through my being with you again your joy in Christ Jesus will overflow on account of me.” (Phil. 1:20-26) Quoting: Lisa*Lisa To be "absent from the body" is to be "present with the Lord" (2 Cor. 5:8) Luke 23:43 (KJV) 43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Ecclesiastes 12:7 (NKJV) Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it. The spirit is the breath of life. Body+spirit=soul Man is a living soul. The soul the sins it shall die. Paul said to be absent with the body is to be present with the Lord. He was not contradicting Jesus (Mat.13:23-47) rather was referring to the new immortal body after the resurrection. This will be our next waking moment as death is a sleep which we will not remember! If we will not remember it then what is the debate about again? I love you guys... Gob Bless. peace, |