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What false teachers will not tell you the Bible says: God does not love everyone

 
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IN FACT, God hates most people. Over 95+% of mankind has been created to be destroyed. Jesus said so himself. He said wide was the gate and broad was the way to destruction and that many are on that road, as opposed to the few who are on the strait and narrow which leads to salvation. Paul even clarifies this in Romans 9:22 and throughout the whole chapter.

Why is this such an important issue? Because there are many people in the world who think their easy gospel is true, but will end up dying in their sin and their punishment will be far worse than it would have been were they never to have known any of the truth. Plus, many false teachers are tricking people who are desperate for some false comfort in exchange for their money and becoming rich off of them. There are even false teachers who end up becoming preachers simply because they know of its money-making potential. Believe it or not, this is the category most false teachers fall into. They may even seem like nice guys, but that is likely a cover to gain your confidence if all the doctrine they're teaching is half-truth. Jesus called people like these wolves and said they would disguise themselves as sheep and seek to scatter the flock of God. Paul warned us that after his death many like them would come in among the believers with ill-intent.

Another reason why this issue is so important is because it attempts to negate in the minds of people the method God uses to save people. God does not wait upon us to first choose Him. God is the initiator and finisher of our salvation and not merely the passive recipient of our acceptance. Claiming that God loves everyone always leaves the impression in the back of the minds of people that God is either inept or a liar. They may say, "After all, God is not willing that any should perish nor is anything impossible for God [both being true statements], so why are most people going to hell?" Those who know that God does not love everyone can answer that question with scripture, but those who believe God loves all cannot.

If those who believe that God loves everyone say that God loved humanity so much that He gave them free will to choose or reject him, how does believing that to be true help their cause? If anything, God giving humans free will would make it appear so much more like he hates humanity, because he knew well beforehand that most of them would reject him. Would a loving parent give their child a loaded gun and not expect them to hurt or kill themselves? Does one truly think God is dumb and careless enough to give the little children he loves the loaded gun of free will when he know they would just end up killing themselves with it?
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Yeah, it needs attention alright. Everyone read your bible, then and only then will you come to the conclusion of what an utter piece of shit it is. Only a fool would spend their life idolizing the goddamned bible.
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John 3:16 does not say God loves everyone, and 2Peter 3:9 does not say that God is not willing that no one should perish.
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Yeah, it needs attention alright. Everyone read your bible, then and only then will you come to the conclusion of what an utter piece of shit it is. Only a fool would spend their life idolizing the goddamned bible.
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One day you will die, and all that will be left of you is a memory. Your life will have meant nothing, your achievements will be worth nothing, and everyone will have moved on.
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God has given his saints the ministry of reconciliation. To go out into the world and speak the gospel of truth.

That God, in Christ, is reconciling the world to himself. So that those with ears to hear may hear the call to reconciliation.

Lets focus on the ministry of reconciliation. God will elect those whom he chooses to elect.

God will give sight to the blind and hearing to the deaf. The ones He has foreordained and predestined.

Let be fellow-laborers in reaping that which we have not sown.

God Bless.

peace,
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You missed the memo. The Bible is chock full of bullshit. God does love everybody. If God didn't like you, he would fuck with you by removing all the oxygen from the room and watching you freak out until you were slumped in the corner dying, then he would laugh and say 'Just kidding, tard..." and put it back. Then he would invade your bedroom with lions, tigers, and bat-sized mosquitos while you were sleeping.

If this has not happened to you, you are loved by God.

God shows this effectively every day by allowing you to breathe.

The sun shines.

The world turns.

Love happens.
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IN FACT, God hates most people. Over 95+% of mankind has been created to be destroyed. Jesus said so himself. He said wide was the gate and broad was the way to destruction and that many are on that road, as opposed to the few who are on the strait and narrow which leads to salvation. Paul even clarifies this in Romans 9:22 and throughout the whole chapter.

Why is this such an important issue? Because there are many people in the world who think their easy gospel is true, but will end up dying in their sin and their punishment will be far worse than it would have been were they never to have known any of the truth. Plus, many false teachers are tricking people who are desperate for some false comfort in exchange for their money and becoming rich off of them. There are even false teachers who end up becoming preachers simply because they know of its money-making potential. Believe it or not, this is the category most false teachers fall into. They may even seem like nice guys, but that is likely a cover to gain your confidence if all the doctrine they're teaching is half-truth. Jesus called people like these wolves and said they would disguise themselves as sheep and seek to scatter the flock of God. Paul warned us that after his death many like them would come in among the believers with ill-intent.

Another reason why this issue is so important is because it attempts to negate in the minds of people the method God uses to save people. God does not wait upon us to first choose Him. God is the initiator and finisher of our salvation and not merely the passive recipient of our acceptance. Claiming that God loves everyone always leaves the impression in the back of the minds of people that God is either inept or a liar. They may say, "After all, God is not willing that any should perish nor is anything impossible for God [both being true statements], so why are most people going to hell?" Those who know that God does not love everyone can answer that question with scripture, but those who believe God loves all cannot.

If those who believe that God loves everyone say that God loved humanity so much that He gave them free will to choose or reject him, how does believing that to be true help their cause? If anything, God giving humans free will would make it appear so much more like he hates humanity, because he knew well beforehand that most of them would reject him. Would a loving parent give their child a loaded gun and not expect them to hurt or kill themselves? Does one truly think God is dumb and careless enough to give the little children he loves the loaded gun of free will when he know they would just end up killing themselves with it?
 Quoting: Philemon


All anyone can do is repent, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, study his Word, and pray for his Holy Ghost to lead one in righteousness unto salvation.

(Romans 9:14-23)

14 "What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,"
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God has given his saints the ministry of reconciliation. To go out into the world and speak the gospel of truth.

That God, in Christ, is reconciling the world to himself. So that those with ears to hear may hear the call to reconciliation.

Lets focus on the ministry of reconciliation. God will elect those whom he chooses to elect.

God will give sight to the blind and hearing to the deaf. The ones He has foreordained and predestined.

Let be fellow-laborers in reaping that which we have not sown.

God Bless.

peace,
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...he said to the woman caught in adultery, go and sin no more.

Change your behavior. Repent.

Turn around.

Your behavior matters. just like in a marriage.

hf

John 3 : 16
for God so loved the wolrd that he gave

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The options defined are that God gave us free will, but he said to all, listen I warn you about a natural catastrophy so you should prepare. Most of you won't because you are evil in nature and don't listen to God because you don't believe in God. But those that do will prepare.

This is why I have started the Kingdom of God. To prepare the Bride of Christ for tribulations.
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Paul said he revealed the whole counsel of God to the believers and kept nothing back from them. Part of God's reconciliation is the knowledge that he reveals himself to some and not others. If you will not embrace the part of God who hates and rejects some people then you are not a minister of Christ, you have rebelled against the counsel of God, you have appointed yourself as a judge over him, and you preach another gospel. And those who preach another gospel are accursed, according to Paul.
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1st John chapter 2 verse 27 says we do not need teachers.
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Paul said he revealed the whole counsel of God to the believers and kept nothing back from them. Part of God's reconciliation is the knowledge that he reveals himself to some and not others. If you will not embrace the part of God who hates and rejects some people then you are not a minister of Christ, you have rebelled against the counsel of God, you have appointed yourself as a judge over him, and you preach another gospel. And those who preach another gospel are accursed, according to Paul.
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He did indeed.

But one does not feed meat to babes. Men, when they are grown and established, are ready to eat meat.

Children need milk to grow. Meat does not nurture a babe. It makes them puke.

I wish you to consider this in prayer.

God Bless.

peace,
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Paul said he revealed the whole counsel of God to the believers and kept nothing back from them. Part of God's reconciliation is the knowledge that he reveals himself to some and not others. If you will not embrace the part of God who hates and rejects some people then you are not a minister of Christ, you have rebelled against the counsel of God, you have appointed yourself as a judge over him, and you preach another gospel. And those who preach another gospel are accursed, according to Paul.
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I will also confirm your opinion on this my friend in Christ. The Kingdom of God which God wanted me to start up is run by the chosen. You can only enter the Kingdom of God if you are asked by a chosen one (a member of the heirarchy). The way into the Kingdom of God is narrow. The chosen have the power to decide who enters and you are a lot more likely to survive tribulations if you are in the Kingdom of God as you are prepared to listen to the chosen, who as it happens can talk to the spirit of Jesus, and can lead them down the correct path.
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WOw...if i could or dare to ...and I i won't cause it would not matter if did..add to this ...but ...that said...like anyone thinks they "CHOOSE" ahahahahh!!! you go!hf
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...he said to the woman caught in adultery, go and sin no more.

Change your behavior. Repent.

Turn around.
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Repentance in a person is something God initiates in that person. It is not something a person can muster in themselves.

2Timothy 2:24, 25 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all [men], apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth


Your behavior matters. just like in a marriage.

hf

John 3 : 16
for God so loved the wolrd that he gave

us a choice. Choose life.
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You completely twisted that verse to mean what it does not say. The bible says that no one seeks after God nor does anyone understand the things of the spirit of God (which pertain to life and salvation).

Romans 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

1Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.


So please tell me how in the world a person can possibly choose God unless God first gives that person understanding? While you're at it, show me a verse in the Bible that states man has a FREE will to choose God? Because all I see are verses which state emphatically that men cannot nor do they desire to choose God because they are wicked to the core and spiritually dead.
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Yell it Op...I am almost 50...not my call anymore but boy I tried as you are...happy hunting...lol...Luv ya dear one!!hf
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The Greek Word "phileo" means to love everyone, it is the word agapeo which is used in the scriptural context the OP is using. Agapeo is 'Selective' and 'focussed' love. So the OP is correct by contextual standards.

In Matt 5 v 17 thru 19, Yehushua implies that we must keep Torah, not reject it, This is the criteria against which we and our works are judged....

That which is nailed to the cross (Colossians 2 v 14) is not Torah (Gr nomos), it is our own 'opinion' (Gr dogma), that is, the "commandments of men" (ibid v 22)
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SHOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!blwkss
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neg karma..for me....NOT FORMING HER OWN OPINIONS>>>>lol...SHOUT!!!!!!!!!hf
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neg karma does not scare me ahahahah!
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OP main line/mesage of the bible in one word:
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He did indeed.

But one does not feed meat to babes. Men, when they are grown and established, are ready to eat meat.

Children need milk to grow. Meat does not nurture a babe. It makes them puke.

I wish you to consider this in prayer.

God Bless.

peace
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Yes, I realize that some may not be able to understand the depths of the teaching of predestination and election. My qualm is with the false teachers. Such teachers bring in a slew of error in their wake, and the most disgusting part is some of them will often do it in such a charming way, and as a result lead baby believers astray into serious error.

But besides all that, the fact remains that the truth I am giving here is milk for the babies. I am not attempting to force the babies to understand the implications of all of this, I am simply showing them that it does exist. In time they will better grasp the deeper meaning of it all. All I'm doing is planting the seed for the tree to grow and supplying the water so that it may grow. Can't have a large tree without it first being planted and watered years before, right?
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OP from posting reply on your thread i just got...HATE filled NON-thinking SOW...on my karma....imagine!! SHOUT dear!hf
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God loves all of you, but "he" does not approve all behaviors. That this world is still here, is proof of that, because the Mother Planet was going to toss you all off after ww2 and the forces from heaven showed up and stabilized the planet and are still stabilizing it. If he did not love all of you, it would be long over now.
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...he said to the woman caught in adultery, go and sin no more.

Change your behavior. Repent.

Turn around.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11641616


Repentance in a person is something God initiates in that person. It is not something a person can muster in themselves.

2Timothy 2:24, 25 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all [men], apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth


Your behavior matters. just like in a marriage.

hf

John 3 : 16
for God so loved the wolrd that he gave

us a choice. Choose life.
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You completely twisted that verse to mean what it does not say. The bible says that no one seeks after God nor does anyone understand the things of the spirit of God (which pertain to life and salvation).

Romans 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

1Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.


So please tell me how in the world a person can possibly choose God unless God first gives that person understanding? While you're at it, show me a verse in the Bible that states man has a FREE will to choose God? Because all I see are verses which state emphatically that men cannot nor do they desire to choose God because they are wicked to the core and spiritually dead.
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really? really really? the person must muster it himself to repent, otherwise he has not figured the situation out or has no conscience in the first place. Mostly they simply don't KNOW. Man is given eternity to clean up his shit if he needs it.
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eneg karma..for me....NOT FORMING HER OWN OPINIONS>>>>lol...SHOUT!!!!!!!!!
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Welcome to the hated club! Where everyone who hates Jesus hates you!
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...he said to the woman caught in adultery, go and sin no more.

Change your behavior. Repent.

Turn around.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11641616


Repentance in a person is something God initiates in that person. It is not something a person can muster in themselves.

2Timothy 2:24, 25 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all [men], apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth


Your behavior matters. just like in a marriage.

hf

John 3 : 16
for God so loved the wolrd that he gave

us a choice. Choose life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11641616


You completely twisted that verse to mean what it does not say. The bible says that no one seeks after God nor does anyone understand the things of the spirit of God (which pertain to life and salvation).

Romans 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

1Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.


So please tell me how in the world a person can possibly choose God unless God first gives that person understanding? While you're at it, show me a verse in the Bible that states man has a FREE will to choose God? Because all I see are verses which state emphatically that men cannot nor do they desire to choose God because they are wicked to the core and spiritually dead.
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really? really really? the person must muster it himself to repent, otherwise he has not figured the situation out or has no conscience in the first place. Mostly they simply don't KNOW. Man is given eternity to clean up his shit if he needs it.
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Really??? How do you answer my husband then??? He never asked for God or Jesus in anyway...he always said.." I am an asshole" when confronted for his ill's...( funny...too me God saw his heart in that ..non pride) anyways...my point...GOD came to him...PRESENTED HIMSELF to him..and CHOSE HIM...and yes he admitted so finally...after struggle..but ...point is ..he never REPENTED TO ASK FOR IT!!!!!!! funny how the REAL God works ...eh...was a mystery to me till i saw it happen.hf
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God loves all of you, but "he" does not approve all behaviors. That this world is still here, is proof of that, because the Mother Planet was going to toss you all off after ww2 and the forces from heaven showed up and stabilized the planet and are still stabilizing it. If he did not love all of you, it would be long over now.
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I love your ability to just say things so plainly!

hf
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He did indeed.

But one does not feed meat to babes. Men, when they are grown and established, are ready to eat meat.

Children need milk to grow. Meat does not nurture a babe. It makes them puke.

I wish you to consider this in prayer.

God Bless.

peace
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


Yes, I realize that some may not be able to understand the depths of the teaching of predestination and election. My qualm is with the false teachers. Such teachers bring in a slew of error in their wake, and the most disgusting part is some of them will often do it in such a charming way, and as a result lead baby believers astray into serious error.

But besides all that, the fact remains that the truth I am giving here is milk for the babies. I am not attempting to force the babies to understand the implications of all of this, I am simply showing them that it does exist. In time they will better grasp the deeper meaning of it all. All I'm doing is planting the seed for the tree to grow and supplying the water so that it may grow. Can't have a large tree without it first being planted and watered years before, right?
 Quoting: Philemon


I try my best to follow the lead of The LORD and His example. He always seems to focus on the need of the person/people he was speaking with. Sharing spiritual messages.

Consider his messages on the mount. Consider his messages to the multitudes.

He pronounced blessings.
He taught the ways of The Kingdom Of Heaven.
He drew people to himself by his love.
He demonstrated fruits of the Spirit.

Very few times do we see Jesus play the election card and that with the legalists and religionists (of which I find few which frequent this site)...

Christ did not need to beat anyone over the head with truth. His message was directed to the poor in spirit. The election process happens without our input or need to inform people of it. We are instructed to share the good news. Is it good news for those who are not elected?

I appreciate that you are sharing this doctrine of scripture. It is not spoken of in many congregations. You will find no argument from me on such things. They are indeed what I read in scripture.

I just think the delivery can be a bit harsh to a babe or one who is new to the faith or one who is learning.

When I was brought to The LORD in my youth, this topic would have likely confused me and caused me great consternation. Now I am old and I only wish to serve the elect and those that will become.

But I do not know who that is, so I must be mindful of the words I choose to convey The Love of God In Christ. My goal is to serve the body of Christ. For The Glory Of Christ.

May The Spirit Of Christ lead us all to serve the body when and where we are lead.

God Bless OP.

peace,
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I can reply to posts day and night on GLP...funny only when one like this comes along and I post do i get the >>>YOU COW karma's...never ever from any other reply's I make...funny eh...Your so called "CHRISTIAN" brethern...wanna eat you alive...odd eh? and they call it Love....ahahahh!! Jesus said...get ready ..basically...it will come from the SO CALLED ..."BELIVERS" your persecution...even true today or even more so...hf





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