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Should parents be allowed kill their newborn babies?

 
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The answer is obviously no.

The child is separate from the mother at this point. The infant does not depend on her for their existence. It is the child's right to exist if he chooses and the government then has to assume the child will want to and take care of it accordingly. Adoption is the best scenario.
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I think all the options for parents to kill their babies already exist and this is already happening. Classified mostly under SIDS, I imagine this happening quite frequently already. Sorry to burst your bubble people. Parents wanting to kill their baby is reality, not much you can do about it. If you don't wish to accommodate it as society, fine, it won't stop this from happening. Face it.
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First there's the illusion that a choice is being given to the parent(s), then somehow it morphs into the State deciding.

Infanticide, the Satanic gateway drug to full-on depop.
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Did any of you retards actually read the article? They are not saying that this is what should be done, they are posing a moral question and using reason and logic to answer it.

Being able to think of these questions and debate them are what stands us apart from the monkeys. Just because you don't agree with it, there is no need to be juvenile about it. Life is not some miracle, it is a chemical reaction.

Until humans break free from the whole "life is a miracle from god" bollox we will never realise our true potential,
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fuck

aren't you a bucket of joy, eh?

jerkit

why don't you pop to the bog now, and have a quick 'realisation of potential'?
blah yada meh

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Did any of you retards actually read the article? They are not saying that this is what should be done, they are posing a moral question and using reason and logic to answer it.

Being able to think of these questions and debate them are what stands us apart from the monkeys. Just because you don't agree with it, there is no need to be juvenile about it. Life is not some miracle, it is a chemical reaction.

Until humans break free from the whole "life is a miracle from god" bollox we will never realise our true potential,
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fuck

aren't you a bucket of joy, eh?

jerkit

why don't you pop to the bog now, and have a quick 'realisation of potential'?
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i'm not into telling anybody what they
should or shouldn't do.
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Re: Should parents be allowed kill their newborn babies?
A group of medical ethicists at Oxford University seem to think so.

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

They're arguing that there is no difference between a fetus and a newborn infant and therefore we should be morally allowed to do away with our new-born children.

This is infuriating, it's infuriating that such a thing was even suggested!
Supposed "intellectuals" arguing in favour of killing young infants, this is what we've come to, we've allowed abortion to become socially acceptable and as a result the lives of young children are now devalued and worthless!
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only for food
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i'm not into telling anybody what they
should or shouldn't do.
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Re: Should parents be allowed kill their newborn babies?
A group of medical ethicists at Oxford University seem to think so.

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

They're arguing that there is no difference between a fetus and a newborn infant and therefore we should be morally allowed to do away with our new-born children.

This is infuriating, it's infuriating that such a thing was even suggested!
Supposed "intellectuals" arguing in favour of killing young infants, this is what we've come to, we've allowed abortion to become socially acceptable and as a result the lives of young children are now devalued and worthless!
 Quoting: Stocking Eats Cake


you go to jail for premeditated MURDER.

moms/dads want to go to jail....baby killers are no exception to our laws that MURDER is the death sentence to anyone who does MURDER.
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Re: Should parents be allowed kill their newborn babies?
and there in lies your problem.

You cannot comprehend that sometimes it is torture to allow something to continue to live. A baby born with severe disabilities, that will never read or write or hear or see. It would be torture for them, for their families and it is not "living". But for some reason because there is this holier than thou attitude to live it is deemed better to torture many than end the life of one.
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Wrong fucker.

Who are you or anyone else to decide the fate of another human being in that instance?

The baby clearly can't defend itself so how exactly do you know what his/her choice would be? To live or to die?

Epic fucking fail on your part. In every possible way.
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Re: Should parents be allowed kill their newborn babies?
Horrible horrible horrible.

However, I do think the authors of the article are right in one sense. An infant IS very much like a fetus. I think if women's abdomen's were transparent there were be a whole lot less abortions.

This will continue to escalate. Then a child who ends up handicapped at 5 or 15 due to illness or an accident will be considered a burden, less human and you can take them in and put them down like a pet.

Parents, spouses......maybe even you.
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Next thing you know people will be asking to abort their teenagers because they have become difficult.
Good Lord.
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This actually isnt a bad idea at all ! cool2
Why you mad tho?
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Did any of you retards actually read the article? They are not saying that this is what should be done, they are posing a moral question and using reason and logic to answer it.

Being able to think of these questions and debate them are what stands us apart from the monkeys. Just because you don't agree with it, there is no need to be juvenile about it. Life is not some miracle, it is a chemical reaction.

Until humans break free from the whole "life is a miracle from god" bollox we will never realise our true potential,
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God allows us to kill each other.
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Did I mention God in the OP at all?

No, I did not, I am an atheist, I do not get my morality from religion.
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Then where or from whom did you get your morality?
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Re: Should parents be allowed kill their newborn babies?
Did any of you retards actually read the article? They are not saying that this is what should be done, they are posing a moral question and using reason and logic to answer it.

Being able to think of these questions and debate them are what stands us apart from the monkeys. Just because you don't agree with it, there is no need to be juvenile about it. Life is not some miracle, it is a chemical reaction.

Until humans break free from the whole "life is a miracle from god" bollox we will never realise our true potential,
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Because "realizing our true potential" happens much quicker when we think life is but a series of random happenings resulting from a giant cosmic uncaused first cause?
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Re: Should parents be allowed kill their newborn babies?
The answer is obviously no.

The child is separate from the mother at this point. The infant does not depend on her for their existence. It is the child's right to exist if he chooses and the government then has to assume the child will want to and take care of it accordingly. Adoption is the best scenario.
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A newborn baby is no less dependent on a mother (biological or otherwise) than a fetus in the womb.
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Re: Should parents be allowed kill their newborn babies?
A group of medical ethicists at Oxford University seem to think so.

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

They're arguing that there is no difference between a fetus and a newborn infant and therefore we should be morally allowed to do away with our new-born children.

This is infuriating, it's infuriating that such a thing was even suggested!
Supposed "intellectuals" arguing in favour of killing young infants, this is what we've come to, we've allowed abortion to become socially acceptable and as a result the lives of young children are now devalued and worthless!
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Idiots There brains are jello!
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Close, they are so open minded that their brains have fallen out...
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^

These "Experts" should be immediately aborted!
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I Stole this from another member.... ;)
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they should have to kiss them good buy first then kill them
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WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This world is sick
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and there in lies your problem.

You cannot comprehend that sometimes it is torture to allow something to continue to live. A baby born with severe disabilities, that will never read or write or hear or see. It would be torture for them, for their families and it is not "living". But for some reason because there is this holier than thou attitude to live it is deemed better to torture many than end the life of one.
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^^
THIS
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First there's the illusion that a choice is being given to the parent(s), then somehow it morphs into the State deciding.

Infanticide, the Satanic gateway drug to full-on depop.
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Even bringing attention to such a question is unfathomable, especially the way the title was worded, it's just EVIL.

While at times choices must be made where 'quality of life' is at stake, it can only fall under the condition that the baby cannot sustain its own biological form and function.

The rest is in God's Hands.

We simply CANNOT violate Creation by making life and death choices against the wishes of Life Itself.
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This is it. We are in the end times. And I'm not even religious. But something this reprehensible being suggested by scientists, and being reported on a major news source, and NOT being met with huge vocal opposition by anyone other than us on the forum, is astounding.

Our government apologizes for the burning of a Koran to people who are slaughtering our soldiers. Obama APOLOGIZED to THEM. And he is keeping our men on the ground in this stupid fucking war when we need to just get the fuck out.

Kill the babies, kill the women, kill our soldiers, and then kiss the asses of those doing the killing. Moral relativism. It's all okay, everything is fine. Better to kill a human being than have them possibly suffer, or be unwanted. Better to euthanize the old, take the disabled off of life support, kill anyone who isn't a young, fresh, healthy consumer and/or potential voter.

It's over. Burn it all down. I don't even give a fuck anymore. I can't.
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Like I said before

yesterday it was an unborn baby

today it is a newborn baby

soon they will go after the rest of us

Soilent green is here
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This is it. We are in the end times. And I'm not even religious. But something this reprehensible being suggested by scientists, and being reported on a major news source, and NOT being met with huge vocal opposition by anyone other than us on the forum, is astounding.

Our government apologizes for the burning of a Koran to people who are slaughtering our soldiers. Obama APOLOGIZED to THEM. And he is keeping our men on the ground in this stupid fucking war when we need to just get the fuck out.

Kill the babies, kill the women, kill our soldiers, and then kiss the asses of those doing the killing. Moral relativism. It's all okay, everything is fine. Better to kill a human being than have them possibly suffer, or be unwanted. Better to euthanize the old, take the disabled off of life support, kill anyone who isn't a young, fresh, healthy consumer and/or potential voter.

It's over. Burn it all down. I don't even give a fuck anymore. I can't.
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I feel you buddy. It's a sick fucking world we live in. Humans left to their own devices seem to always sink to the lowest common base state...that of an animal. But hell...even animals don't kill their offspring except in weird circumstances.

I wish there was a "reset" button for humanity. If I were God, I would just grease the old thumb and squish all of us to crap and start over...rant
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Ask santorum
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Like I said before

yesterday it was an unborn baby

today it is a newborn baby

soon they will go after the rest of us

Soilent green is here
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yep, it's only a matter of time until cadavers are seen as a food source. It's just gonna take some "intellectual" to cross that line by saying that cannibalism isn't really wrong, it's natural and good. Why should good 'meat" go to waste when it could be processed and feed the starving.

You wait...it's coming.
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I actually agree with their conclusion that aborting a fetus is the same as killing a newborn. Not because it should be allowed, because that is sadistic and repulsive. Aborting a baby IMO, is just as killing it when it's born. Pro-choice is a load of fucking shit, you could have CHOSEN to use birth control. It's your own stupidity and negligence that made you pregnant in the first place, if you can't be responsible enough to man up to what you've done, you shouldn't be having sex at all. Morons need to be sterilized, save those poor children that have to grow up alone because two jack asses decided that they didn't want it.
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This is it. We are in the end times. And I'm not even religious. But something this reprehensible being suggested by scientists, and being reported on a major news source, and NOT being met with huge vocal opposition by anyone other than us on the forum, is astounding.

Our government apologizes for the burning of a Koran to people who are slaughtering our soldiers. Obama APOLOGIZED to THEM. And he is keeping our men on the ground in this stupid fucking war when we need to just get the fuck out.

Kill the babies, kill the women, kill our soldiers, and then kiss the asses of those doing the killing. Moral relativism. It's all okay, everything is fine. Better to kill a human being than have them possibly suffer, or be unwanted. Better to euthanize the old, take the disabled off of life support, kill anyone who isn't a young, fresh, healthy consumer and/or potential voter.

It's over. Burn it all down. I don't even give a fuck anymore. I can't.
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I feel you buddy. It's a sick fucking world we live in. Humans left to their own devices seem to always sink to the lowest common base state...that of an animal. But hell...even animals don't kill their offspring except in weird circumstances.

I wish there was a "reset" button for humanity. If I were God, I would just grease the old thumb and squish all of us to crap and start over...rant
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Actually you will find lots of instances of infanticide in animal species. Male lions will kill any cubs not theirs if they take over a pride, Chimps will do the same. Lots of different predator and herd animals will abandon any deformed or otherwise less than survivable newborns. So no, it doesn’t just happen in weird circumstances. It doesn't pay for their species to propagate defective or bad genetics. We seem to be the only species that DOES try to save every little baby with life threatening illnesses & defects. And if they survive to pass on their less than stellar genes you slowly but surely weaken and corrupt the gene pool. So what happens if SHTF and these babies are born without medical assistance? They too will die. It sucks, but that's how nature works.
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Humans have committed infanticide since humans existed, for one reason or another, laws or no laws.
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This is it. We are in the end times. And I'm not even religious. But something this reprehensible being suggested by scientists, and being reported on a major news source, and NOT being met with huge vocal opposition by anyone other than us on the forum, is astounding.

Our government apologizes for the burning of a Koran to people who are slaughtering our soldiers. Obama APOLOGIZED to THEM. And he is keeping our men on the ground in this stupid fucking war when we need to just get the fuck out.

Kill the babies, kill the women, kill our soldiers, and then kiss the asses of those doing the killing. Moral relativism. It's all okay, everything is fine. Better to kill a human being than have them possibly suffer, or be unwanted. Better to euthanize the old, take the disabled off of life support, kill anyone who isn't a young, fresh, healthy consumer and/or potential voter.

It's over. Burn it all down. I don't even give a fuck anymore. I can't.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8769940


I feel you buddy. It's a sick fucking world we live in. Humans left to their own devices seem to always sink to the lowest common base state...that of an animal. But hell...even animals don't kill their offspring except in weird circumstances.

I wish there was a "reset" button for humanity. If I were God, I would just grease the old thumb and squish all of us to crap and start over...rant
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Actually you will find lots of instances of infanticide in animal species. Male lions will kill any cubs not theirs if they take over a pride, Chimps will do the same. Lots of different predator and herd animals will abandon any deformed or otherwise less than survivable newborns. So no, it doesn’t just happen in weird circumstances. It doesn't pay for their species to propagate defective or bad genetics. We seem to be the only species that DOES try to save every little baby with life threatening illnesses & defects. And if they survive to pass on their less than stellar genes you slowly but surely weaken and corrupt the gene pool. So what happens if SHTF and these babies are born without medical assistance? They too will die. It sucks, but that's how nature works.
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Well thank you for that enlightening post. I guess we ARE better than those animals then...at least some of us. Some humans are just one step outside of the animal kingdom and would just as soon kill a child as look at it.

It's why I believe in reincarnation. Some souls are just too animalistic to not have recently been in an animal. They are just now learing how to be human...and they stink at it.
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Re: Should parents be allowed kill their newborn babies?
If we allow parents to kill their newborn babies because they are "not human" then we are going to set up ourselves to be killed as well.

If we do not stand up for the rights of the unborn or newborns, then we will have our chance to become "not human" when we become old or a burden to society or a threat to society or any other sorts of parameters that fit their agenda.

If you fit the agenda you can be human but if you don't then you can be declared nonhuman, then as much as you kick and scream, you can be killed, just like a newborn who would certainly kick and scream when threatened or killed.





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