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Should parents be allowed kill their newborn babies?

 
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This is it. We are in the end times. And I'm not even religious. But something this reprehensible being suggested by scientists, and being reported on a major news source, and NOT being met with huge vocal opposition by anyone other than us on the forum, is astounding.

Our government apologizes for the burning of a Koran to people who are slaughtering our soldiers. Obama APOLOGIZED to THEM. And he is keeping our men on the ground in this stupid fucking war when we need to just get the fuck out.

Kill the babies, kill the women, kill our soldiers, and then kiss the asses of those doing the killing. Moral relativism. It's all okay, everything is fine. Better to kill a human being than have them possibly suffer, or be unwanted. Better to euthanize the old, take the disabled off of life support, kill anyone who isn't a young, fresh, healthy consumer and/or potential voter.

It's over. Burn it all down. I don't even give a fuck anymore. I can't.
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I feel you buddy. It's a sick fucking world we live in. Humans left to their own devices seem to always sink to the lowest common base state...that of an animal. But hell...even animals don't kill their offspring except in weird circumstances.

I wish there was a "reset" button for humanity. If I were God, I would just grease the old thumb and squish all of us to crap and start over...rant
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Actually you will find lots of instances of infanticide in animal species. Male lions will kill any cubs not theirs if they take over a pride, Chimps will do the same. Lots of different predator and herd animals will abandon any deformed or otherwise less than survivable newborns. So no, it doesn’t just happen in weird circumstances. It doesn't pay for their species to propagate defective or bad genetics. We seem to be the only species that DOES try to save every little baby with life threatening illnesses & defects. And if they survive to pass on their less than stellar genes you slowly but surely weaken and corrupt the gene pool. So what happens if SHTF and these babies are born without medical assistance? They too will die. It sucks, but that's how nature works.
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Well thank you for that enlightening post. I guess we ARE better than those animals then...at least some of us. Some humans are just one step outside of the animal kingdom and would just as soon kill a child as look at it.

It's why I believe in reincarnation. Some souls are just too animalistic to not have recently been in an animal. They are just now learing how to be human...and they stink at it.
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Agreed. And just for the records, I wasn't condoning the killing of babies. Just pointing out that it's not as uncommon among animals (both 2 and 4 footed) as one would think.

hf
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We are living in the end times everyone. What is good is called evil and what is evil will be called good, necessary, growth, evolution.

Before too long anything you had ever thought was the truth or good will be turned on its head.

Everything you ever thought was wrong or evil will be mainstream.
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i'm not into telling anybody what they
should or shouldn't do.
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Where is your sense of right and wrong my God what is wrong with some of you people.
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First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the jewish people,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a jewish.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me
I,m the danger I,m the one who knocks...
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These people are luciferians folks...they ARE pure evil.
The evil is getting much more intense...more people are possessed by this evil....God says its going to get worse.
What I do not understand is why God allows these little children to suffer and be tortured (animals as well) at the hands of evil humans. It's not my world, its God's and I know He knows what He's doing and what He allows....all we can do is pray for these babies...I don't know what else to do. I think they should be eliminated personally.
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02/29/2012 04:45 PM
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As if sacrificed to God!


Yeah, being sacrificed is a real bummer!
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A group of medical ethicists at Oxford University seem to think so.

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

They're arguing that there is no difference between a fetus and a newborn infant and therefore we should be morally allowed to do away with our new-born children.

This is infuriating, it's infuriating that such a thing was even suggested!
Supposed "intellectuals" arguing in favour of killing young infants, this is what we've come to, we've allowed abortion to become socially acceptable and as a result the lives of young children are now devalued and worthless!
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.. I am pro-choice .. for me pro-life .. but if there is truth in that .. it is not right .. the parent should have to do it themselves with their bare hands freaking sickos ..
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Did any of you retards actually read the article? They are not saying that this is what should be done, they are posing a moral question and using reason and logic to answer it.

Being able to think of these questions and debate them are what stands us apart from the monkeys. Just because you don't agree with it, there is no need to be juvenile about it. Life is not some miracle, it is a chemical reaction.

Until humans break free from the whole "life is a miracle from god" bollox we will never realise our true potential,
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^^
Don't think anyone would seriously say it is not wrong.

This though is just paving the way for all you judgemental fools to completely disregard personal choices.

****sigh
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In 1932 Berlin they had the exact same idea. Funny how much liberal morans always have in common with the Nazis. The seem to have a 'moral' problem however when the 'personal' reason for 'termination' is because it's black, or jewish, 'gay', or a girl. uh oh!
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just because we are able to ask a question, are we then obligated to intellectually examine and debate all sides of it?

i mean, let's have a panel of experts on whether or not it is ok to stick a knife in your eye on a tuesday as opposed to a friday.

how is this not an equally valid question deserving of academic debate?

or let's have a debate about acrylic yarn being used for tying together a peanut butter sandwhich for lunch in 3rd grade.
and you only have a left handed pair of scissors.

is it better to cut this sandwhich diagonally?

the problem here is not the question.
the problem is that there are people who actually have a question about it in the first place.

when we invent time machines we can all go back abort these people.
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No....they shouldn't be allowed to kill them, and I can't believe this would be even be thinkable for most people. For those who do, just goes to show you how far removed they've become in having feelings of compassion, love and respect towards other human beings.
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Actually you will find lots of instances of infanticide in animal species. Male lions will kill any cubs not theirs if they take over a pride, Chimps will do the same. Lots of different predator and herd animals will abandon any deformed or otherwise less than survivable newborns. So no, it doesn’t just happen in weird circumstances. It doesn't pay for their species to propagate defective or bad genetics. We seem to be the only species that DOES try to save every little baby with life threatening illnesses & defects. And if they survive to pass on their less than stellar genes you slowly but surely weaken and corrupt the gene pool. So what happens if SHTF and these babies are born without medical assistance? They too will die. It sucks, but that's how nature works.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1542334


Well thank you for that enlightening post. I guess we ARE better than those animals then...at least some of us. Some humans are just one step outside of the animal kingdom and would just as soon kill a child as look at it.

It's why I believe in reincarnation. Some souls are just too animalistic to not have recently been in an animal. They are just now learing how to be human...and they stink at it.
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If we are so much better, how come we are the only specie that commit suicide on regular basis?
I tell you why!

Because life in it self is not that important. What IS important is quality of life.
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02/29/2012 05:15 PM
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In a real world this question should never even be asked, ever.
But Lord, he stinketh!

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No they shouldn't be allowed to, but every day people get away with murder already - abortions, so if they can get away with it then why not anyone else?

Murder is WRONG, period!! That's my point.
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Dmorg4

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In a real world this question should never even be asked, ever.
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I agree in a sane world this is a question that need never be debated period.
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Actually you will find lots of instances of infanticide in animal species. Male lions will kill any cubs not theirs if they take over a pride, Chimps will do the same. Lots of different predator and herd animals will abandon any deformed or otherwise less than survivable newborns. So no, it doesn’t just happen in weird circumstances. It doesn't pay for their species to propagate defective or bad genetics. We seem to be the only species that DOES try to save every little baby with life threatening illnesses & defects. And if they survive to pass on their less than stellar genes you slowly but surely weaken and corrupt the gene pool. So what happens if SHTF and these babies are born without medical assistance? They too will die. It sucks, but that's how nature works.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1542334


Well thank you for that enlightening post. I guess we ARE better than those animals then...at least some of us. Some humans are just one step outside of the animal kingdom and would just as soon kill a child as look at it.

It's why I believe in reincarnation. Some souls are just too animalistic to not have recently been in an animal. They are just now learing how to be human...and they stink at it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11679054


If we are so much better, how come we are the only specie that commit suicide on regular basis?
I tell you why!

Because life in it self is not that important. What IS important is quality of life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5051820


Animals do not have the rational or logic to comprehend suicide.
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Like I said before

yesterday it was an unborn baby

today it is a newborn baby

soon they will go after the rest of us

Soilent green is here
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yep, it's only a matter of time until cadavers are seen as a food source. It's just gonna take some "intellectual" to cross that line by saying that cannibalism isn't really wrong, it's natural and good. Why should good 'meat" go to waste when it could be processed and feed the starving.

You wait...it's coming.
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Yes and at a certain age a person will be looked at as "used up" and no longer valuable

30? 35? 40? who decides?
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02/29/2012 05:44 PM
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Great Idea! It would eliminate the need for food stamps and abortions. Ghetto farmers markets could be opened. All one would have to do is incorporate.
One considered a corporation, our Supreme Court would protect your personhood and legitimize butchering these breast sucking snots...
Of course given time, age restrictions would be lifted.
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I'm becoming increasingly disgusted with the human race, i am also ashamed to be human.
maybe we deserve to be judged and sent to hell !!!

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Peace and love all (even an unborn child) x
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No!!!!

You have to wait until they're teenagers!
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No!!!!

You have to wait until they're teenagers!
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Teenagers would be a acquired taste with those hormones and all.
Perhaps Ben and Gerry's could help out and come out with the flavor Teenage Wasteland.
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Re: Should parents be allowed kill their newborn babies?
A group of medical ethicists at Oxford University seem to think so.

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

They're arguing that there is no difference between a fetus and a newborn infant and therefore we should be morally allowed to do away with our new-born children.

This is infuriating, it's infuriating that such a thing was even suggested!
Supposed "intellectuals" arguing in favour of killing young infants, this is what we've come to, we've allowed abortion to become socially acceptable and as a result the lives of young children are now devalued and worthless!
 Quoting: Stocking Eats Cake


Learn some grama.
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02/29/2012 06:20 PM
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When TEOTWAWKI comes... and should I survive to rebuild society... I will be building camps for people just like the 'medical professionals' who wrote the paper.

Man, there isn't even any room for argument on this one... the paper advocates murder. At least in ancient Sparta a new born had to fail a health exam before he/she was 'exposed'. In their version of reality, a kid born to poor people could be subject to death just because mom and dad might not able to afford raising it.

Just advocate abortion. I can deal with abortion, but premeditated murder?

This paper wasn't a 'thought experiment'... it was plain ol' evil.
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Well at least their out in the open about it. Most pro-abortionists hide behind "freedom of choice" language and pretend they are very enlightened.

In essence this is just a continuation of pro-abortionist logic. Once you start devaluing life there is no stopping. All life becomes disposable.
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and there in lies your problem.

You cannot comprehend that sometimes it is torture to allow something to continue to live. A baby born with severe disabilities, that will never read or write or hear or see. It would be torture for them, for their families and it is not "living". But for some reason because there is this holier than thou attitude to live it is deemed better to torture many than end the life of one.
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Not true, I have a friend whose child is 39 and she is just like a newborn, but she smiles, laughs, and is probably happier then us.
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Next thing you know people will be asking to abort their teenagers because they have become difficult.
Good Lord.
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That's ridiculous, you should at least wait to see their SAT scores, or if they got any college scholarships before having junior 'aborted'.
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If a couple decides the child will be too abnormal to be practical who are we tell them what to do?

Though I may not make the same decision, I am not going to hell for letting others make their own choices.
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and there in lies your problem.

You cannot comprehend that sometimes it is torture to allow something to continue to live. A baby born with severe disabilities, that will never read or write or hear or see. It would be torture for them, for their families and it is not "living". But for some reason because there is this holier than thou attitude to live it is deemed better to torture many than end the life of one.
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Not true, I have a friend whose child is 39 and she is just like a newborn, but she smiles, laughs, and is probably happier then us.
 Quoting: Sickandtired 1419023


This! My brother that passed away on New Years Day had cerebral palsy. He couldn't walk, talk, limited movement, almost totally blind (could see very little - bright lights for example), only thing he had was his hearing. Had to be fed by a feeding tube. Docs told my parents he'd be lucky to live to age 5 - he was 26 when he passed. His life was MISERABLE - at least to you or I it would have been. 9 surgeries, countless hours of physical therapy, ect., ect. But you know what? He was the HAPPIEST person in the world...always smiling....the simplest things could make him smile. He smiled at the sound of his nephews (my boys) laughing and playing...he smiled at the sight of the lights on the xmas tree every year. He smiled when he woudl sit on the porch in the summer and the sun was shining. The smallest things that most people take for granted.

No one has the right to judge is a life is "worth it" or not.

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Re: Should parents be allowed kill their newborn babies?
A group of medical ethicists at Oxford University seem to think so.

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

They're arguing that there is no difference between a fetus and a newborn infant and therefore we should be morally allowed to do away with our new-born children.

This is infuriating, it's infuriating that such a thing was even suggested!
Supposed "intellectuals" arguing in favour of killing young infants, this is what we've come to, we've allowed abortion to become socially acceptable and as a result the lives of young children are now devalued and worthless!
 Quoting: Stocking Eats Cake


"medical ETHICISTS" PLEASE!

Now, if they were debating whether or not it is ok to euthanize "medical ethicists" with no apparent brain or heart (as is the obvious case here), I would be all for that.
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In 1932 Berlin they had the exact same idea. Funny how much liberal morans always have in common with the Nazis. The seem to have a 'moral' problem however when the 'personal' reason for 'termination' is because it's black, or jewish, 'gay', or a girl. uh oh!
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Yes, true. The Germans were the most enlightened rational nation on earth at the time. They carried out their logical coldness, certain that they were ethically justified in what they were doing.





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