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I'm SICK of the RH Negative thread SLANDER.

 
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Just sayin', you're talking about a normal human thing, not an Rh- thing.

Fear gives us "superhuman" strength:

[link to www.scientificamerican.com]

Fight or flight response:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

That's the problem about asking these questions in this context. You automatically assume that some commonality is due to your blood type without questioning it and then it becomes "an Rh- trait".
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So you can pull doors off their hinges too? WOW, welcome to the party!
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I've done worse under extreme stress. Sorry, "pulling doors off hinges" isn't an Rh- trait.
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Well, you seem to have everything pretty well figured out! Thanks for popping in and correcting us!
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Just wondering if a lot of you guys have freckles? My sister in law is a negative and she has freckles (reddish dark blond hair and bright blue eyes) my brother is A+ and all three of their kids are + and no freckles....?
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Just wondering if a lot of you guys have freckles? My sister in law is a negative and she has freckles (reddish dark blond hair and bright blue eyes) my brother is A+ and all three of their kids are + and no freckles....?
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A few, but I'm not really a "hey look at that guy with the freckles" type. lol Lots of red heads are Rh neg and lots of red heads have freckles as well.
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Now to all the so called “negatives” that slander all the threads with nooooo, you’re stupid I’m negative and this doesn’t describe me”...I have something personally to say to you- STFU LIAR!!! Either you’re NOT negative at all and you’re just being a jack ass troll OR you’re “worried” about what people will “say”. Or there is THIS: A “half” breed

Look, I know it's easy to fall into lapses of logic when the OP says this to preemptively shut down anyone who disagrees with her. Of course you're only going to pay attention to the posts that already agree with the the-o-ry because any negatives that say the list doesn't apply to them are automatically "liars", "trolls" or "worried about what people will say".

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So you can pull doors off their hinges too? WOW, welcome to the party!
 Quoting: ATOM 10863890


I've done worse under extreme stress. Sorry, "pulling doors off hinges" isn't an Rh- trait.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12100946

Well, you seem to have everything pretty well figured out! Thanks for popping in and correcting us!
 Quoting: ATOM 10863890


You're welcome! I hope I have encouraged at least one person to question and research objectively for themselves. hf

Also: The highly sensitive person self-test. Another name for the collection of sensitivities that you describe that doesn't depend on blood type.

[link to www.hsperson.com]
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Oh I see! So it just so happens that Rh negatives are all "sensitives". COOL!!!
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Are they ALL HSPs?
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Just wondering if a lot of you guys have freckles? My sister in law is a negative and she has freckles (reddish dark blond hair and bright blue eyes) my brother is A+ and all three of their kids are + and no freckles....?
 Quoting: woowoochic


Rh positive here, both parents positive. I have very red hair, a blue eye and a green eye, sun sensitivity and pale skin, and freckles.

In fact, here's what applies to me from this list.

• Most have stronger Immune systems.
• Most have Autoimmune Conditions and the HLA-B27 genetic marker.
• Most have fair skin and light eyed, in response to having Melanin imbalances and Vit. D Deficiencies
• Most process CO2 more efficiently
• Most tend to have Iron/Copper imbalances
• Missing the RhD protein that acts as a barrier on the red blood cells.
• Pregnancy issues and complications with the clashing of blood type within the fetus.

• A feeling of not belonging
• Truth seekers
• Sense of a "Mission" in life
• Empathy & Compassion for Mankind
• An extra rib or vertebra. No, but my o+ grandmother has an extra vertebra
• Higher than average IQ
• ESP Ability
• Love of Space & Science
• More sensitive vision & other senses.
• Increased of psychic/intuitive abilities
• Cannot be cloned
• Lower body temperature
• Higher blood pressure (some say lower either way one extreme to another never quite right)
• Predominantly blue, green, or Hazel eyes
• Red or reddish tint to hair color
• Increased sensitivity to heat & sunlight
• Unexplained Scares
• Piercing Eyes
• Tend to be Healers
• Empathetic Illnesses
• Ability to disrupt electrical devices
• Prone to Alien Abductions
• Experience unexplained phenomenon
• Physic Dreams and/or Ability
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Just wondering if a lot of you guys have freckles? My sister in law is a negative and she has freckles (reddish dark blond hair and bright blue eyes) my brother is A+ and all three of their kids are + and no freckles....?
 Quoting: woowoochic


Rh positive here, both parents positive. I have very red hair, a blue eye and a green eye, sun sensitivity and pale skin, and freckles.

In fact, here's what applies to me from this list.

• Most have stronger Immune systems.
• Most have Autoimmune Conditions and the HLA-B27 genetic marker.
• Most have fair skin and light eyed, in response to having Melanin imbalances and Vit. D Deficiencies
• Most process CO2 more efficiently
• Most tend to have Iron/Copper imbalances
• Missing the RhD protein that acts as a barrier on the red blood cells.
• Pregnancy issues and complications with the clashing of blood type within the fetus.

• A feeling of not belonging
• Truth seekers
• Sense of a "Mission" in life
• Empathy & Compassion for Mankind
• An extra rib or vertebra. No, but my o+ grandmother has an extra vertebra
• Higher than average IQ
• ESP Ability
• Love of Space & Science
• More sensitive vision & other senses.
• Increased of psychic/intuitive abilities
• Cannot be cloned
• Lower body temperature
• Higher blood pressure (some say lower either way one extreme to another never quite right)
• Predominantly blue, green, or Hazel eyes
• Red or reddish tint to hair color
• Increased sensitivity to heat & sunlight
• Unexplained Scares
• Piercing Eyes
• Tend to be Healers
• Empathetic Illnesses
• Ability to disrupt electrical devices
• Prone to Alien Abductions
• Experience unexplained phenomenon
• Physic Dreams and/or Ability
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12100946

Awesome!
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Re: I'm SICK of the RH Negative thread SLANDER.
Just wondering if a lot of you guys have freckles? My sister in law is a negative and she has freckles (reddish dark blond hair and bright blue eyes) my brother is A+ and all three of their kids are + and no freckles....?
 Quoting: woowoochic


Rh positive here, both parents positive. I have very red hair, a blue eye and a green eye, sun sensitivity and pale skin, and freckles.

In fact, here's what applies to me from this list.

• Most have stronger Immune systems.
• Most have Autoimmune Conditions and the HLA-B27 genetic marker.
• Most have fair skin and light eyed, in response to having Melanin imbalances and Vit. D Deficiencies
• Most process CO2 more efficiently
• Most tend to have Iron/Copper imbalances
• Missing the RhD protein that acts as a barrier on the red blood cells.
• Pregnancy issues and complications with the clashing of blood type within the fetus.

• A feeling of not belonging
• Truth seekers
• Sense of a "Mission" in life
• Empathy & Compassion for Mankind
• An extra rib or vertebra. No, but my o+ grandmother has an extra vertebra
• Higher than average IQ
• ESP Ability
• Love of Space & Science
• More sensitive vision & other senses.
• Increased of psychic/intuitive abilities
• Cannot be cloned
• Lower body temperature
• Higher blood pressure (some say lower either way one extreme to another never quite right)
• Predominantly blue, green, or Hazel eyes
• Red or reddish tint to hair color
• Increased sensitivity to heat & sunlight
• Unexplained Scares
• Piercing Eyes
• Tend to be Healers
• Empathetic Illnesses
• Ability to disrupt electrical devices
• Prone to Alien Abductions
• Experience unexplained phenomenon
• Physic Dreams and/or Ability
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12100946


You're a so called half breed? You may be both + and - , and your parent may both be + - . In this case chances are you get + and theres like a 25 percent chance for you to have - offspring. No expert so correct me if i'm wrong.
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You're a so called half breed? You may be both + and - , and your parent may both be + - . In this case chances are you get + and theres like a 25 percent chance for you to have - offspring. No expert so correct me if i'm wrong.
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Isn't that a neat little way to dismiss anyone who's + that doesn't fit into the the-o-ry, especially since the Rh factor was only discovered 60 years ago so most of us can't trace it back more than a generation or two. What about countries where the Rh- is so rare it's almost non-existent? Does no one there share these "traits"?

I can tell you that both my parents are positive and that neither set of grandparents or great-grandparents had any pregnancy problems resembling Rh incompatibility.
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You're a so called half breed? You may be both + and - , and your parent may both be + - . In this case chances are you get + and theres like a 25 percent chance for you to have - offspring. No expert so correct me if i'm wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9603971


Isn't that a neat little way to dismiss anyone who's + that doesn't fit into the the-o-ry, especially since the Rh factor was only discovered 60 years ago so most of us can't trace it back more than a generation or two. What about countries where the Rh- is so rare it's almost non-existent? Does no one there share these "traits"?

I can tell you that both my parents are positive and that neither set of grandparents or great-grandparents had any pregnancy problems resembling Rh incompatibility.
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No, it isn't. I have brown eyes but I carry the gene for blue eyes because my grandmother had blue eyes. This doesn't mean that I have some of the characteristics that people with blue eyes have because the gene is not expressed! Sure, lots of people carry the Rh neg gene but if it isn't expressed, it isn't there, period.

So, I am agreeing with the Canadian person who is arguing this with me. - on this point -
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Let me be clear: I am agreeing with the person with this I.D.#

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Just wondering if a lot of you guys have freckles? My sister in law is a negative and she has freckles (reddish dark blond hair and bright blue eyes) my brother is A+ and all three of their kids are + and no freckles....?
 Quoting: woowoochic


Rh positive here, both parents positive. I have very red hair, a blue eye and a green eye, sun sensitivity and pale skin, and freckles.

In fact, here's what applies to me from this list.

• Most have stronger Immune systems.
• Most have Autoimmune Conditions and the HLA-B27 genetic marker.
• Most have fair skin and light eyed, in response to having Melanin imbalances and Vit. D Deficiencies
• Most process CO2 more efficiently
• Most tend to have Iron/Copper imbalances
• Missing the RhD protein that acts as a barrier on the red blood cells.
• Pregnancy issues and complications with the clashing of blood type within the fetus.

• A feeling of not belonging
• Truth seekers
• Sense of a "Mission" in life
• Empathy & Compassion for Mankind
• An extra rib or vertebra. No, but my o+ grandmother has an extra vertebra
• Higher than average IQ
• ESP Ability
• Love of Space & Science
• More sensitive vision & other senses.
• Increased of psychic/intuitive abilities
• Cannot be cloned
• Lower body temperature
• Higher blood pressure (some say lower either way one extreme to another never quite right)
• Predominantly blue, green, or Hazel eyes
• Red or reddish tint to hair color
• Increased sensitivity to heat & sunlight
• Unexplained Scares
• Piercing Eyes
• Tend to be Healers
• Empathetic Illnesses
• Ability to disrupt electrical devices
• Prone to Alien Abductions
• Experience unexplained phenomenon
• Physic Dreams and/or Ability
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12100946


You're a so called half breed? You may be both + and - , and your parent may both be + - . In this case chances are you get + and theres like a 25 percent chance for you to have - offspring. No expert so correct me if i'm wrong.
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So sorry, but there is no such thing as a "half breed" Rh negative person. YOU EITHER have the protein or you don't. If you carry the gene as "+ / -" then you are Rh +, PERIOD. The Rh negative gene in the background only exists in your cells as instructions that were there but NOT CARRIED OUT.
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Let me be clear: I am agreeing with the person with this I.D.#

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That's me! So, if you disagree with the half-breed theory, then how do you explain that the traits designated Rh- occur in ALL blood groups?
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That's me! So, if you disagree with the half-breed theory, then how do you explain that the traits designated Rh- occur in ALL blood groups?
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Once again, that might have come out unclear. Let me re-phrase:

* Do you believe that these traits are limited to Rh-?
* Do you believe that they are shared by all Rh-?
* Do you believe that they are more common in Rh-?
* Do you have solid, verifiable evidence, anecdotal evidence, or simply faith fueling your beliefs?

(Believe it or not, that's me trying to be tactful! tomato)
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Hi Joshua, good to see you on the forums again.

I think that the idea of following up the theories with a bit of investigation into evidence based research would be an interesting exercise.

One point that jumps at me from these threads in a positive way (he he) is that people are beginning to question what we have always been told, or not told, by the appointed 'experts' and 'professionals'.

I see this debate as a great opportunity for all of us to get thinking about what we accept as 'true' or 'not true' with regards to our own bodies, health, origins etc ... and that goes for all, regardless of blood type or racial heritage.
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I often have to question what I believe and whether or not it's true, because a lot of things that are stated as facts simply aren't.
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That's me! So, if you disagree with the half-breed theory, then how do you explain that the traits designated Rh- occur in ALL blood groups?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12100946

I know that's you. I don't fully buy into that whole list. Some person plastered that list all over the internet. As you noted before, sometimes it says "high" blood pressure, sometimes "low". It says most will have "light features", while I have dark features etc.

I don't think there can be a direct link between, say, eye color and blood type. I'm betting those two are extremely far removed from each other.

There are some pretty compelling ones though, like "cannot be cloned", OK that's heavy - though I've never sat next to a geneticist and watched him prove that to me.

Let's look at what can be proven:

OK, If I get a blood transfusion from a normal human, I will DIE. This means that the blood of normal humans is different enough from my own to cause death. That's a pretty damned big difference and it is not the only one. It isn't just that Rh negs will die, it's that our females (god I love them) will kill Rh positive babies in their wombs because it's like giving birth to another species. We can argue this until the bovines return to their registered addresses, but these are facts.

However, the less noticeable ones, like faster reaction times: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

(scroll down to "Origin of RHD polymorphism")

that stuff is ever so BARELY mentioned anywhere but it's completely TRUE. If I take a test of reaction speed with an Rh positive, I will completely destroy him or her, PERIOD.

BUT, an Rh positive will be better defended from the parasites listed (on the same page) and also have better over all stamina for running, swimming etc. (endurance type stuff) Let me be clear: An Rh positive will completely destroy me in a test of stamina and endurance because my blood cells lack the ion pump (the Rh protein) so I get tired quickly. However, this lack of a protein also has other advantages. For example, adrenalin which uptakes into the blood cell to provide bursts of speed and strength HAS NO BARRIER with Rh negatives, and I'M TELLING YOU I'm stronger than you with or without the "fight or flight" response by virtue of the simple fact that my blood has no barrier whatsoever to the uptake of adrenalin, or anything else for that matter.

BUT, in everyday tests of strength, YOU will be WAY stronger than me, AND last longer than me because your cells regulate everything far more efficiently than mine.

So you're awesome, and I'm awesome - but it's different!
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That's me! So, if you disagree with the half-breed theory, then how do you explain that the traits designated Rh- occur in ALL blood groups?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12100946


Once again, that might have come out unclear. Let me re-phrase:

* Do you believe that these traits are limited to Rh-?
* Do you believe that they are shared by all Rh-?
* Do you believe that they are more common in Rh-?
* Do you have solid, verifiable evidence, anecdotal evidence, or simply faith fueling your beliefs?

(Believe it or not, that's me trying to be tactful! tomato)
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I annoyed you, you annoyed me, now we can be friends.
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Re: I'm SICK of the RH Negative thread SLANDER.
Hi Joshua, good to see you on the forums again.

I think that the idea of following up the theories with a bit of investigation into evidence based research would be an interesting exercise.

One point that jumps at me from these threads in a positive way (he he) is that people are beginning to question what we have always been told, or not told, by the appointed 'experts' and 'professionals'.

I see this debate as a great opportunity for all of us to get thinking about what we accept as 'true' or 'not true' with regards to our own bodies, health, origins etc ... and that goes for all, regardless of blood type or racial heritage.
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I often have to question what I believe and whether or not it's true, because a lot of things that are stated as facts simply aren't.
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That's me! So, if you disagree with the half-breed theory, then how do you explain that the traits designated Rh- occur in ALL blood groups?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12100946


Once again, that might have come out unclear. Let me re-phrase:

* Do you believe that these traits are limited to Rh-?
* Do you believe that they are shared by all Rh-?
* Do you believe that they are more common in Rh-?
* Do you have solid, verifiable evidence, anecdotal evidence, or simply faith fueling your beliefs?

(Believe it or not, that's me trying to be tactful! tomato)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12100946

#1) I believe that SOME of the traits are limited to Rh negs, YES.
#2) I believe that ALL of the traits that are actually true traits are shared by ALL Rh negs, YES.
#3) Not sure how to answer this. Not more common...they either are or they aren't Rh neg.
#4) I have a combination of scientific evidence (as scarce as it is), and the direct experience of BEING Rh neg.
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Just wondering if a lot of you guys have freckles? My sister in law is a negative and she has freckles (reddish dark blond hair and bright blue eyes) my brother is A+ and all three of their kids are + and no freckles....?
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Rh positive here, both parents positive. I have very red hair, a blue eye and a green eye, sun sensitivity and pale skin, and freckles.

In fact, here's what applies to me from this list.

• Most have stronger Immune systems.
• Most have Autoimmune Conditions and the HLA-B27 genetic marker.
• Most have fair skin and light eyed, in response to having Melanin imbalances and Vit. D Deficiencies
• Most process CO2 more efficiently
• Most tend to have Iron/Copper imbalances
• Missing the RhD protein that acts as a barrier on the red blood cells.
• Pregnancy issues and complications with the clashing of blood type within the fetus.

• A feeling of not belonging
• Truth seekers
• Sense of a "Mission" in life
• Empathy & Compassion for Mankind
• An extra rib or vertebra. No, but my o+ grandmother has an extra vertebra
• Higher than average IQ
• ESP Ability
• Love of Space & Science
• More sensitive vision & other senses.
• Increased of psychic/intuitive abilities
• Cannot be cloned
• Lower body temperature
• Higher blood pressure (some say lower either way one extreme to another never quite right)
• Predominantly blue, green, or Hazel eyes
• Red or reddish tint to hair color
• Increased sensitivity to heat & sunlight
• Unexplained Scares
• Piercing Eyes
• Tend to be Healers
• Empathetic Illnesses
• Ability to disrupt electrical devices
• Prone to Alien Abductions
• Experience unexplained phenomenon
• Physic Dreams and/or Ability
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12100946


You're a so called half breed? You may be both + and - , and your parent may both be + - . In this case chances are you get + and theres like a 25 percent chance for you to have - offspring. No expert so correct me if i'm wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9603971


So sorry, but there is no such thing as a "half breed" Rh negative person. YOU EITHER have the protein or you don't. If you carry the gene as "+ / -" then you are Rh +, PERIOD. The Rh negative gene in the background only exists in your cells as instructions that were there but NOT CARRIED OUT.
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Yes, no need to be sorry. If thats the truth then I submit to it but the point is it is still there, in the background.
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Rh positive here, both parents positive. I have very red hair, a blue eye and a green eye, sun sensitivity and pale skin, and freckles.

In fact, here's what applies to me from this list.

• Most have stronger Immune systems.
• Most have Autoimmune Conditions and the HLA-B27 genetic marker.
• Most have fair skin and light eyed, in response to having Melanin imbalances and Vit. D Deficiencies
• Most process CO2 more efficiently
• Most tend to have Iron/Copper imbalances
• Missing the RhD protein that acts as a barrier on the red blood cells.
• Pregnancy issues and complications with the clashing of blood type within the fetus.

• A feeling of not belonging
• Truth seekers
• Sense of a "Mission" in life
• Empathy & Compassion for Mankind
• An extra rib or vertebra. No, but my o+ grandmother has an extra vertebra
• Higher than average IQ
• ESP Ability
• Love of Space & Science
• More sensitive vision & other senses.
• Increased of psychic/intuitive abilities
• Cannot be cloned
• Lower body temperature
• Higher blood pressure (some say lower either way one extreme to another never quite right)
• Predominantly blue, green, or Hazel eyes
• Red or reddish tint to hair color
• Increased sensitivity to heat & sunlight
• Unexplained Scares
• Piercing Eyes
• Tend to be Healers
• Empathetic Illnesses
• Ability to disrupt electrical devices
• Prone to Alien Abductions
• Experience unexplained phenomenon
• Physic Dreams and/or Ability
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12100946


You're a so called half breed? You may be both + and - , and your parent may both be + - . In this case chances are you get + and theres like a 25 percent chance for you to have - offspring. No expert so correct me if i'm wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9603971


So sorry, but there is no such thing as a "half breed" Rh negative person. YOU EITHER have the protein or you don't. If you carry the gene as "+ / -" then you are Rh +, PERIOD. The Rh negative gene in the background only exists in your cells as instructions that were there but NOT CARRIED OUT.
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Yes, no need to be sorry. If thats the truth then I submit to it but the point is it is still there, in the background.
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Yes! Very true, the instructions are there, waiting to be expressed in a future person.
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#1) I believe that SOME of the traits are limited to Rh negs, YES. May I ask which ones?
#2) I believe that ALL of the traits that are actually true traits are shared by ALL Rh negs, YES. What about those Rh- who say they don't share the true traits?
#3) Not sure how to answer this. Not more common...they either are or they aren't Rh neg. I meant the traits being more common. Let me ask another way, do you believe they are EXCLUSIVE to Rh-?
#4) I have a combination of scientific evidence (as scarce as it is), and the direct experience of BEING Rh neg. With all due respect, your experience is your own unique experience and can't be extrapolated to the group as a whole, just like I can't speak for my whole gender. I would be very interested in any research you could provide.
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Let me be clear: I am agreeing with the person with this I.D.#

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That's me! So, if you disagree with the half-breed theory, then how do you explain that the traits designated Rh- occur in ALL blood groups?
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I know that's you. I don't fully buy into that whole list. Some person plastered that list all over the internet. As you noted before, sometimes it says "high" blood pressure, sometimes "low". It says most will have "light features", while I have dark features etc.

I don't think there can be a direct link between, say, eye color and blood type. I'm betting those two are extremely far removed from each other.

There are some pretty compelling ones though, like "cannot be cloned", OK that's heavy - though I've never sat next to a geneticist and watched him prove that to me.

Let's look at what can be proven:

OK, If I get a blood transfusion from a normal human, I will DIE. This means that the blood of normal humans is different enough from my own to cause death. That's a pretty damned big difference and it is not the only one. It isn't just that Rh negs will die, it's that our females (god I love them) will kill Rh positive babies in their wombs because it's like giving birth to another species. We can argue this until the bovines return to their registered addresses, but these are facts.

However, the less noticeable ones, like faster reaction times: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

(scroll down to "Origin of RHD polymorphism")

that stuff is ever so BARELY mentioned anywhere but it's completely TRUE. If I take a test of reaction speed with an Rh positive, I will completely destroy him or her, PERIOD.

BUT, an Rh positive will be better defended from the parasites listed (on the same page) and also have better over all stamina for running, swimming etc. (endurance type stuff) Let me be clear: An Rh positive will completely destroy me in a test of stamina and endurance because my blood cells lack the ion pump (the Rh protein) so I get tired quickly. However, this lack of a protein also has other advantages. For example, adrenalin which uptakes into the blood cell to provide bursts of speed and strength HAS NO BARRIER with Rh negatives, and I'M TELLING YOU I'm stronger than you with or without the "fight or flight" response by virtue of the simple fact that my blood has no barrier whatsoever to the uptake of adrenalin, or anything else for that matter.

BUT, in everyday tests of strength, YOU will be WAY stronger than me, AND last longer than me because your cells regulate everything far more efficiently than mine.

So you're awesome, and I'm awesome - but it's different!
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That's very interesting about reaction time. I think that bacteria, parasites and viruses play a much larger part in our evolution than we realize. I think that they may even be responsible for the development of the antigens that we call blood types, through new foods and methods of preparation. We see "clusters" because of geography separating breeding groups. I think it will be very interesting to see how blood types change as we become more "global".

One last thing - I really, really doubt I would be stronger than you in everyday tests of strength. I have rheumatoid arthritis, systemic scleroderma, primary biliary cirrhosis, sjogren's syndrome and fibromyalgia. wink
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Re: I'm SICK of the RH Negative thread SLANDER.
Let me be clear: I am agreeing with the person with this I.D.#

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That's me! So, if you disagree with the half-breed theory, then how do you explain that the traits designated Rh- occur in ALL blood groups?
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I know that's you. I don't fully buy into that whole list. Some person plastered that list all over the internet. As you noted before, sometimes it says "high" blood pressure, sometimes "low". It says most will have "light features", while I have dark features etc.

I don't think there can be a direct link between, say, eye color and blood type. I'm betting those two are extremely far removed from each other.

There are some pretty compelling ones though, like "cannot be cloned", OK that's heavy - though I've never sat next to a geneticist and watched him prove that to me.

Let's look at what can be proven:

OK, If I get a blood transfusion from a normal human, I will DIE. This means that the blood of normal humans is different enough from my own to cause death. That's a pretty damned big difference and it is not the only one. It isn't just that Rh negs will die, it's that our females (god I love them) will kill Rh positive babies in their wombs because it's like giving birth to another species. We can argue this until the bovines return to their registered addresses, but these are facts.

However, the less noticeable ones, like faster reaction times: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

(scroll down to "Origin of RHD polymorphism")

that stuff is ever so BARELY mentioned anywhere but it's completely TRUE. If I take a test of reaction speed with an Rh positive, I will completely destroy him or her, PERIOD.

BUT, an Rh positive will be better defended from the parasites listed (on the same page) and also have better over all stamina for running, swimming etc. (endurance type stuff) Let me be clear: An Rh positive will completely destroy me in a test of stamina and endurance because my blood cells lack the ion pump (the Rh protein) so I get tired quickly. However, this lack of a protein also has other advantages. For example, adrenalin which uptakes into the blood cell to provide bursts of speed and strength HAS NO BARRIER with Rh negatives, and I'M TELLING YOU I'm stronger than you with or without the "fight or flight" response by virtue of the simple fact that my blood has no barrier whatsoever to the uptake of adrenalin, or anything else for that matter.

BUT, in everyday tests of strength, YOU will be WAY stronger than me, AND last longer than me because your cells regulate everything far more efficiently than mine.

So you're awesome, and I'm awesome - but it's different!
 Quoting: ATOM 10863890


That's very interesting about reaction time. I think that bacteria, parasites and viruses play a much larger part in our evolution than we realize. I think that they may even be responsible for the development of the antigens that we call blood types, through new foods and methods of preparation. We see "clusters" because of geography separating breeding groups. I think it will be very interesting to see how blood types change as we become more "global".

One last thing - I really, really doubt I would be stronger than you in everyday tests of strength. I have rheumatoid arthritis, systemic scleroderma, primary biliary cirrhosis, sjogren's syndrome and fibromyalgia. wink
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LOL well all things being equal, you would be stronger than me :)
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I was looking for the post to quote saying that Rh- mothers reject the Rh+ fetus as if it was another species. That isn't true. Look at the mule or hiney - it is a distinct species that is born to either a donkey or a horse and it is not rejected by the mother. It just can't reproduce.

Also, I can't blood from anyone but O types. My body will react to the antigens and reject it and I might well die. I am, for all intents and purposes, allergic to all other blood types because I lack the antibodies against the antigens they carry, much like Rh incompatibility. The only difference is that there's no rejection in pregnancy.
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One last thing, I know two Rh- mothers who gave birth to multiple Rh+ children without RhoGAM (no blood products for religious reasons) and without a Rh incompatibility reaction. Anecdotal evidence that could lead me to believe that the whole thing is hogwash, but I still believe it is real because of the overwhelming, verifiable evidence that it does.
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I was looking for the post to quote saying that Rh- mothers reject the Rh+ fetus as if it was another species. That isn't true. Look at the mule or hiney - it is a distinct species that is born to either a donkey or a horse and it is not rejected by the mother. It just can't reproduce.
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Unfortunately, you are conducting a huge fallacy by assuming that such equines have similarities to humans, which is false (I'd love to see you try to outrun a galloping horse on foot). That is why we have human drug trials as animal testing is a faux pas and cannot accurately mimic the metabolism of the human body.

Additionally, you're making a fallacy in comparison. Horses and mules are two different species. Rh negatives and rh positives are of the same species, but with different bloodtypes. There's a big difference between a difference in species and a difference in bloodtype.


Proof of the miscarriages is in the RHogam's shots existence. The term is 'Rh disease', although this is a misnomer as it makes one think it's some sort of infection, when it's an immunity issue. The biological process (Rh negative blood's infamiliarity with the antigen-D (Antibody-generating - where antigen comes from) results in the whites cells of the Rh negative blood attacking the Rh positive blood).

The same process applies to blood transfusions. An A bloodtype will reject a B blood-type as it carries the B antigen marker, which the A blood-type is not familiar with, and thus sees as hostile.

[link to www.med.nyu.edu]

Also, I can't blood from anyone but O types. My body will react to the antigens and reject it and I might well die. I am, for all intents and purposes, allergic to all other blood types because I lack the antibodies against the antigens they carry, much like Rh incompatibility. The only difference is that there's no rejection in pregnancy.
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If you can't receive blood from anyone but O types, then you're an O-type blood carrier. Although you haven't mentioned whether you're Rh positive, given the lack of distinction (you can receive any(?) O type?) I'd assume you're Rh positive.


You're taking your anti-Rh negative zeal thing a bit too far that you're throwing out established facts (the miscarriages are established, well documented and proven - look it up online).


As for the 'not always a miscarriage', that's because it requires that part of the baby's blood be Rh positive (Rh negatives won't miscarry on Rh negative child), and that it passes the blood barrier of the placenta - and the immune system has to actually identify the red cells are Antigen-D and make (generate) antibodies for it - once the antibody markers are created, then miscarriage is likely. If the rh positive blood does not pass the blood barrier of the placenta, the child should be fine, but it is a risk.
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I was looking for the post to quote saying that Rh- mothers reject the Rh+ fetus as if it was another species. That isn't true. Look at the mule or hiney - it is a distinct species that is born to either a donkey or a horse and it is not rejected by the mother. It just can't reproduce.

Also, I can't blood from anyone but O types. My body will react to the antigens and reject it and I might well die. I am, for all intents and purposes, allergic to all other blood types because I lack the antibodies against the antigens they carry, much like Rh incompatibility. The only difference is that there's no rejection in pregnancy.
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When you say, "I can't blood from anyone but O types" you are still at a better advantage, because I cannot even get blood from people with the same blood type as me unless they too are Rh negative.

You are saying that Rh- mothers do not reject Rh+ babies? Surely you know they do...right? (don't call you Shirley?)
[link to www.nlm.nih.gov]

You have the correct information conceived in the wrong way. We are not saying that an Rh negative woman is likened to a female horse giving birth to a mule, or like a female donkey giving birth to a hinny. We are saying that an Rh negative mother IS the mule or the hinny trying to give birth where the other genes come from a horse or donkey. (An Rh pos. person as the partner in reproduction)

You said "cannot reproduce", well that's the entire point here. Rh negative mothers CAN reproduce an Rh+ child ONCE, and the only reason is that the Rh negative mother's immune system isn't fast enough to become Rh sensitized in the time it takes to have one child. The second time around, with no Rhogam, the mother cannot reproduce - is what we are saying.

So you're right, but in the wrong way.
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I'm back! Seeing as how the OP decided to delete my posts that pointed out giant holes in her the-o-ry, I'll say it again.

When your ignorant ass uses terms like MONKEY and posts insulting pics, you might as well be saying those things to your own Rh+ (or half-breed or whatever distinction you need to make in your mind) child.

Also, what's the point of all these RH negative threads if you include some RH positives (or half-breed or whatever distinction you need to make in your mind) in your little clique?
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You're derailing the subject major. I didn't realize few pages back that we had went back and forth over the same issue..to argure the same point in different ways. Your not really helping..the monkey thing is funny sometimes..as well as the reptillian thing- but seriously over kill and your keeping everyone off topic. sorry. you have had a ton of pages now to make you're point. Thank you for you're veiw point and GTFO.

there are FACTS that most Neg's share at a higher percentage then the rest of the world.
Then there are fun facts that most Negs share at a higher percentage then the rest of the world.

You can argue with your medical bullshit all day, but the medical professionals have not been of any service or have any understanding of majority of these things. but that dosn't make it any less true to the high percentage of Negs going through it.

so you're points are invalid.

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My darling OP, am I derailing the topic by talking about it? By disagreeing? By being Rh+? By being an obvious target for monkey hate?

Sorry, you can't kick me out of a public forum. Maybe you should have brought it on your paid site? That's what open-minded discussion is all about - questioning blind acceptance and agreement.

I believe Joshua covered the whole "fact" vs "not fact" very nicely. Are they really FACTS? Have there been actual studies that are publicly available?

I will argue medical bullshit all day, if we're talking about medical things. another do

The medical profession does in fact understand and they have done stuff for you. Maybe they're not perfect (oh hey they're humans after all) and maybe you got stuck with a doctor who didn't give your situation his all. Or maybe she did and she did the best she could. But don't pretend that they don't care about Rh issues. Don't forget, they came up with the shot that allows you to give birth to Rh+ children.
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You're not thinking about it in the right way...
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I'm back! Seeing as how the OP decided to delete my posts that pointed out giant holes in her the-o-ry, I'll say it again.

When your ignorant ass uses terms like MONKEY and posts insulting pics, you might as well be saying those things to your own Rh+ (or half-breed or whatever distinction you need to make in your mind) child.

Also, what's the point of all these RH negative threads if you include some RH positives (or half-breed or whatever distinction you need to make in your mind) in your little clique?
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You're derailing the subject major. I didn't realize few pages back that we had went back and forth over the same issue..to argure the same point in different ways. Your not really helping..the monkey thing is funny sometimes..as well as the reptillian thing- but seriously over kill and your keeping everyone off topic. sorry. you have had a ton of pages now to make you're point. Thank you for you're veiw point and GTFO.

there are FACTS that most Neg's share at a higher percentage then the rest of the world.
Then there are fun facts that most Negs share at a higher percentage then the rest of the world.

You can argue with your medical bullshit all day, but the medical professionals have not been of any service or have any understanding of majority of these things. but that dosn't make it any less true to the high percentage of Negs going through it.

so you're points are invalid.

:ObviousScience:
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My darling OP, am I derailing the topic by talking about it? By disagreeing? By being Rh+? By being an obvious target for monkey hate?

Sorry, you can't kick me out of a public forum. Maybe you should have brought it on your paid site? That's what open-minded discussion is all about - questioning blind acceptance and agreement.

I believe Joshua covered the whole "fact" vs "not fact" very nicely. Are they really FACTS? Have there been actual studies that are publicly available?

I will argue medical bullshit all day, if we're talking about medical things. another do

The medical profession does in fact understand and they have done stuff for you. Maybe they're not perfect (oh hey they're humans after all) and maybe you got stuck with a doctor who didn't give your situation his all. Or maybe she did and she did the best she could. But don't pretend that they don't care about Rh issues. Don't forget, they came up with the shot that allows you to give birth to Rh+ children.
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"Monkey hate" LOLcruise





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