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I'm calling bullshit on the Afghan Shooting...

 
Anonymous Coward
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03/15/2012 07:08 AM
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I don't know how well known it is outside of Australia but there's been recent incidents of Afghans simply opening fire on Aussie soldiers, they infiltrate what is supposed to be a support and weapons training thingy and simply open fire. They killed us.
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03/15/2012 07:09 AM
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Drug deal gone bad. Heroin is why we're there. Children massacred as punishment and warning--same as Syria. Drugs not oil not gold.
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03/15/2012 10:37 AM
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The first thing that popped into my head when I heard this story was "manchurian candidate".
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I also found it strange riots broke out after Quran burnings no riots broke out after this incident leads me to believe they did this to their own kind
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03/15/2012 10:45 AM
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After reading all the various accounts two things have occurred to me.

1. The attack was ordered (Why? I have no fucking clue)

 Quoting: Iconoclastics


First thing I thought, but why?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11475650


Raise the hate level against Americans and further 'justify' a false flag attack.
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03/15/2012 10:46 AM
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Re: I'm calling bullshit on the Afghan Shooting...
After reading all the various accounts two things have occurred to me.

1. The attack was ordered (Why? I have no fucking clue)

 Quoting: Iconoclastics


First thing I thought, but why?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11475650


Raise the hate level against Americans and further 'justify' a false flag attack.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12553329


Also, break American morale, home and abroad. This has Mossad written all over it.
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03/15/2012 10:48 AM
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Re: I'm calling bullshit on the Afghan Shooting...
After reading all the various accounts two things have occurred to me.

1. The attack was ordered (Why? I have no fucking clue)

And

2. There were definitely more involved than the purported lone soldier

Maybe the headline is masking the real event. You can never tell with Special Forces. Those dudes are always into gnarly shit.

Tough situation all the way around at any rate, very sad. Maybe the warmongers will shut the fuck up for a second and let the peacemakers take the bullhorn.

Enough of this madness...
 Quoting: Iconoclastics


I saw the pictures of the villagers showing the dead bodies, a investigation team picking up the bullets (they were wearing gloves like in the West btw), a man showed a couple of burnt bodies seemed a child and a woman, saying the soldier was laughing, pouring a chemical over them and burnt them. I saw the bodies of little girls on the back of the pick up truck wrapped in blankets with what seemed their grieving father looking in shock sitting between them.
This DID happen. However, maybe, actually, for sure, what we're being told is not true.

There is a fact finding committee in Afghanistan investigating the report right now and yesterday they came out saying they have information that about 20 troops were involved somehow. Meanwhile the soldier believe to have done this was flown to Kuwait, another strange thing.
Taliban has now pulled out of talks with US in Qatar.
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03/15/2012 10:51 AM
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Re: I'm calling bullshit on the Afghan Shooting...
After reading all the various accounts two things have occurred to me.

1. The attack was ordered (Why? I have no fucking clue)

And

2. There were definitely more involved than the purported lone soldier

Maybe the headline is masking the real event. You can never tell with Special Forces. Those dudes are always into gnarly shit.

Tough situation all the way around at any rate, very sad. Maybe the warmongers will shut the fuck up for a second and let the peacemakers take the bullhorn.

Enough of this madness...
 Quoting: Iconoclastics


I saw the pictures of the villagers showing the dead bodies, a investigation team picking up the bullets (they were wearing gloves like in the West btw), a man showed a couple of burnt bodies seemed a child and a woman, saying the soldier was laughing, pouring a chemical over them and burnt them. I saw the bodies of little girls on the back of the pick up truck wrapped in blankets with what seemed their grieving father looking in shock sitting between them.
This DID happen. However, maybe, actually, for sure, what we're being told is not true.

There is a fact finding committee in Afghanistan investigating the report right now and yesterday they came out saying they have information that about 20 troops were involved somehow. Meanwhile the soldier believe to have done this was flown to Kuwait, another strange thing.
Taliban has now pulled out of talks with US in Qatar.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12542488


I wanted to put before that "the way it happened and who did it, what they tell us in media is not true".

This was no ordinary Marine who just snapped...this was deliberate like the last few incidents. Who is behind it or for what outcome they are hoping I have no idea, the possibilites are almost endless.
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03/15/2012 10:57 AM
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Distractions....All bullshit. They will pull the troops out of afganastan a to come home and be used on us.
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03/15/2012 10:58 AM
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Re: I'm calling bullshit on the Afghan Shooting...
The first thing that popped into my head when I heard this story was "manchurian candidate".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12551683


I also found it strange riots broke out after Quran burnings no riots broke out after this incident leads me to believe they did this to their own kind
 Quoting: Anon 5664035


The villagers were in shock - however there were people protesting, a few hundred, and troops were there in armored vehicles with heavy machinery pointed at them. They were peaceful though...and you can't compare the other incident at the base with this in the village.

Here is another rally from yesterday.

[link to www.presstv.ir]
Angry Afghans have waged another protest rally in south of the country against the recent shooting rampage by a US soldier that killed 16 Afghan civilians.


Over 1,000 Afghans took to the streets in the town of Qalat in Zabul province on Thursday to protest the mass killing of Afghan civilians by the invading American trooper.

Chanting anti-US slogans and carrying white flags, the protesters demanded that the perpetrator, a 38-year-old US army sergeant, be brought to justice.

The protest came amid reports that US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta is due to hold talks with Afghan President Hamid Karzai in Kabul in efforts to ease the intensifying tensions between the two countries.

Last Sunday, a US soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians inside their homes in the district of Panjwaii in Kandahar province in southern Afghanistan, killing at least 16 civilians and injuring several others.

Local witnesses, however, put the number of the victims at 18, insisting that nearly a dozen bodies of the Afghan victims were burnt after they were shot dead.
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03/15/2012 02:11 PM
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They value a koran more than a human life, read that on an afghan news site article last night and that is why there was more protest over the burnings.
There probably will be more reprisals though.

The key to this is to find out who made up the search party. It's not so outlandish to speculate on that. Were they americans or afghans?
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03/15/2012 02:33 PM
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Distractions....All bullshit. They will pull the troops out of afganastan a to come home and be used on us.
 Quoting: smokahontas


THIS
my thoughts exactallllly

fish
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03/15/2012 02:34 PM
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Bluebird

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03/15/2012 02:46 PM
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Agree, OP. This story just plain stinks! Not even a good storyline.

It makes no sense and does not seem like the sort of thing even somebody having a psychotic break would do.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy
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03/15/2012 02:56 PM
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Re: I'm calling bullshit on the Afghan Shooting...
[link to denofsecrets.com]

much info here not mentioned in this thread

peace
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03/15/2012 03:13 PM
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[link to denofsecrets.com]

much info here not mentioned in this thread

peace
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12516273


Not much 'new' there.
I can tell you an afghan guard saw him return to base at 1:30am, and another guard saw him leave base again at 2:30.
And somewhere between these 2 times an afghan guard reported the soldier had gone missing. A search party was assembled, and they claimed to have found the soldier laying on the ground. Video from the white balloon however shows the soldier laying down his weapon and raising his arms in the air, on base.

I'm not going to type it all out again, so..
here's a link to the links

Thread: Time to question the SEARCH PARTY in Afghanistan killings?
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03/15/2012 03:40 PM
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From Balandi, the gunman walked roughly one mile to the village of Alkozai, which was only about 500 meters from the American military base. There the gunman killed four people in one house and then moved to Zahir's house, where he shot his father in the leg.

Some Afghan officials and local villagers expressed doubt that a single U.S. soldier could have carried out all the killings and burned the bodies afterward.

'It is not possible for only one American soldier to come out of his base, kill a number of people far away, burn the bodies, go to another house and kill civilians there, then walk at least 2 kilometers and enter another house, kill civilians and burn them,' said Abdul Rahim Ayubi, a lawmaker from Kandahar province who visited the area today.

Some villagers also told officials there were multiple soldiers and heard shooting from different directions. But many others said they only saw a single soldier.

NATO insisted there was only one gunman.


[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
 Quoting: Iconoclastics



An army of one...
Iconoclastics  (OP)

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03/16/2012 03:20 AM
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It's interesting they won't post his name. Also that it's riled up the country wanting revenge. They wanted to make an effigy of Obama and burn it. I think the motive is to get the hate going and put another false flag in place.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1868091


I agree, they're getting all their ducks in a row first...
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03/16/2012 04:11 PM
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Re: I'm calling bullshit on the Afghan Shooting...
Just a thought, could it possibly be that this was a Private contract campaign escalating the situation .

Reason?

They want the republicans back in the White house

First there was the urinating on the Quran

Next the burning

And recently these killings.

Someone wants to escalate.

Who wants rid of Obama?

A few groups would like that.

Someone seriously wants war with Iran. Crazy because Russia and China would inevitably become involved.why..strategic reasons..protecting the oil production and price.Russia produces oil..but they also sell arms in the middle east and they don't produce enough oil to support their customers and offset disrupted production.

How is Iran connected to Afghanistan? They have very close ties Sharia law.
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03/16/2012 04:13 PM
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Something is definitely not right. First it was a lone soldier, then he was with a group. Then I heard it was Marines. Something is screwy with the reports on this. Is there anyone out there with an eye witness account that is not filled up with BS?
 Quoting: asymetriclogic


Yeah, I'm sure the Afghan neighbor wouldn't mind pulling out his iPad and give you a full eye-witness report.
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03/16/2012 04:23 PM
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I like how this one time civilians are killed get all over the news. I have a marine buddy who has done terrible things he regrets. Its either follow orders and do as you are told or go home in a body bag or your buddy goes in a body bag. I've heard some shit.
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03/16/2012 04:25 PM
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Re: I'm calling bullshit on the Afghan Shooting...
After reading all the various accounts two things have occurred to me.

1. The attack was ordered (Why? I have no fucking clue)

 Quoting: Iconoclastics


First thing I thought, but why?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11475650


Raise the hate level against Americans and further 'justify' a false flag attack.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12553329


Also, break American morale, home and abroad. This has Mossad written all over it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12553329


Ok I'm all for a conspriacy but show some evidence Ffs all you guys are providing is your own twisted view on the situation.

Me personally I am sick to death of war crimes commited by the United states going un punished and largely unnoticed. People keep excusing thia by saying war is "stressful". They killed kids for fuck sake hand them over to afghan authorities and let them be stoned to death it's what they deserve.
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03/16/2012 04:28 PM
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Contractors.

Remember some of these guys are expert at bringing down governments.. Ex SAS? Those guys got let of the leash and battered the IRA it took them less then a decade..they scoured the Earth for those guys..remember the killings in Gibraltar and South America..DARK people.

There are groups more then capable who could pull this off and look like legit military,they plan in years and are prepared to wait years for their reward,and are happy to calculate the risks.
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03/16/2012 05:49 PM
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Contractors.

Remember some of these guys are expert at bringing down governments.. Ex SAS? Those guys got let of the leash and battered the IRA it took them less then a decade..they scoured the Earth for those guys..remember the killings in Gibraltar and South America..DARK people.

There are groups more then capable who could pull this off and look like legit military,they plan in years and are prepared to wait years for their reward,and are happy to calculate the risks.
 Quoting: Super loud 12627056


Interesting, now that you mention Contractors. Wasn't it also the contractors who "by accident" burnt the Qurans? Maybe you are on to something here, someone posing as US troops and trying to stir shit up. But for what outcome are they hoping? An escalation? Smear US troops/US Government? To get US troops to leave? Which won't happen, now Panetta is saying troops will stay beyond 2014 for sure. The possibilities are endless as I said before.
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There are those that move above and beyond politics .dont under estimate the power of a multibillionire .

Witty Weath measured in the tens of billions,your talking about the capacity
To change most small financially weak countries.

Why would someone commission contractors .?.

War and the chance to grab oil contracts..

There are people far more powerful then governments even Western governments.

Let's put it this way..why is everybody paying tax dollars to banks and corporations which failed in their financial speculations ,practically destroying the global economy..people don't relies how close it got to a return to the stone age..we were inches away..think I'm kidding..check out the stress on the bush family faces at obamas inaugoration. Trust this the Bush family have been players since the arrival of the Mayflower.

Point being..Governments are merely facilitators ..they don't run things..we're lucky those that do favour liberal democracy..they tried fascism it's too unstable,doesn't work causes chaos ,global conflict.

No what we're seeing here is the next stage in global warfare..low scale assassination..deep psychological disruption,utilising the ignorance of the media to amplify the effects.

Next level...global hacking of systems..wouldn't surprise me if you see Syria disconnect the internet . And blame it on insurgents.
Iconoclastics  (OP)

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03/18/2012 09:16 PM
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Between 15 and 20 American soldiers were involved in the March 11 massacre of civilians in Kandahar Province, according to a parliamentary probe of the killings, not merely one sergeant as has been widely reported for the past week. An investigative team of parliament members spent two days in the province, interviewing members of the victims' families and tribal elders and gathering evidence related to last Sunday's murders in which 16 Afghan civilians, including nine children, were killed and their bodies set on fire. The attacks lasted one hour Sunday morning and were carried out by two groups of U.S. soldiers, the leader of the investigative team told Pajhwok Afghan News.

[link to www.thenewamerican.com]
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03/18/2012 09:28 PM
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Re: I'm calling bullshit on the Afghan Shooting...
CHECK THIS OUT!! HERE'S 100% PROOF THAT THE STORY OF A "LONE GUNMAN" IS BULLSHIT. MAYBE THIS IS WHY RUSSIA TODAY WAS TAKEN DOWN OFF YOUTUBE?
[link to youtu.be]





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