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(OP) User ID: 9237011 United States 04/04/2012 08:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her? That question is not an attack. I honestly can't see how an advanced deity would ask that of anyone. Worship is just another form of slavery. Can't Christians see that? Quoting: 1123581321 I think if you stopped and considered this question it would trouble you. That is why many never question worship. It doesn't matter what I think. Ask yourself if the concept of worship of another is right. You decide. My friend I agree with you one hundred percent but here amongst limited intelligence you are trying to sell mirrors in the city of the blind. I understand that I am speaking to only a few. I don't want anyone to believe what I have said just because I believe it. For a handful, it will trigger a remembering of ideas they have always known. People have been put into a coma by brainwashing over thousands of years. My ONLY purpose is to provide a gentle "nudge" of remembering. That's all. A handful is enough for me. Maybe they will then pass it along to others once they remember who and what they really are. Peace |
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User ID: 8958455 Italy 04/04/2012 08:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her? do your parents want you to worship them? Quoting: Monbazillac no if your parents don't expect you to bow down and chant whatever stupid stuff to thx them for being born and to show them respect for what they are for you, why a supreme being far more intelligent/sentient/wise would want you to act like this? your question doesn't trouble me, it's a simple and relevant question. show respect that's all. only a megalomaniac psycho would want this kind of toxic submissive and destructive relation with others beings = this is not supreme this is insane. I agree. Me too! I have often thought a loving God wouldn't require worship and heaven forbid sacrifice--like the blood sacrifice of virgins and children (Aztecs) and others. I like to think of a source that is as a loving parent, the earth a loving mother and god a loving father--organized religion is corrupt by its very nature. Being thoughtful and having an open exchange of thoughts--prayer like communication, not worship. The God of the old testament and the God of the new seem like polar opposites to me. interesting for me they are the same with different clothes, bad cop/good cop... earth is our mom yep and she's full of love for us so in my opinion our creator is linked to her for sure. i don't think our creator is a father only, earth is sometimes acting very manly lol! for me it's both, balance can only be reached when you are centered not when you are polarized = harmony between female and male, team work 1 and 1 to create number 3. you can see this in your body, your navel is important and a funny way to remember where you came from |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1194370 United States 04/04/2012 09:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her? That question is not an attack. I honestly can't see how an advanced deity would ask that of anyone. Worship is just another form of slavery. Can't Christians see that? Quoting: 1123581321 I think if you stopped and considered this question it would trouble you. That is why many never question worship. It doesn't matter what I think. Ask yourself if the concept of worship of another is right. You decide. Hello OP, I am a servant. A slave. A bondman. My Master is very kind and easy. My Master is very patient and loving. My Master provides for my every need, even before I know of such need, he has and does provide. My Master does not lie and does not make promises He cannot keep. My Master is just and fair and righteous. My Master is very rich and shares his great wealth. My Master is very strong. There is none greater. My Master is protective. No one will harm one of His servants. No creature exists which is above Him. No power exists which is above Him. Not in life, nor death, nor in heaven or earth or below earth. There is no weapon formed which will prevail against his slaves. Those who receive His seal. He will give eternal life to those whom He calls and chooses and obey His calling. His slaves have a most incredible inheritance. This is the promise of The Master. God Bless OP. peace, |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13769431 United States 04/04/2012 09:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her? That question is not an attack. I honestly can't see how an advanced deity would ask that of anyone. Worship is just another form of slavery. Can't Christians see that? Quoting: 1123581321 I think if you stopped and considered this question it would trouble you. That is why many never question worship. It doesn't matter what I think. Ask yourself if the concept of worship of another is right. You decide. Why can't I get in, even if I don't believe and am an asshole? Why shouldn't God punish you for all you've thought done and said? |
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xxx User ID: 13714469 Mexico 04/05/2012 10:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her? the true divine heart/soul would not create a being to slave for and worship itself. only a lesser presence would ever be motivate by such base desires. and only mindless drones would willingly comply to such demand. |
SALAMA User ID: 13182742 United States 04/05/2012 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her? Worship and prayer are merely tools to align one's will with that of the Creator of the universe. Our lives are much happier and more productive when we obey God's will instead of blindly following our baser instincts. In order to one day come in the presence of God, we need to become less "human" and more "Godlike." Quoting: SALAMA What about OUR will? If I cannot live MY will, is that not slavery? Do we not "break" a horse by using tools to align HIS will with that of mine???? "OUR WILL" is pathetically immature and only interested in pleasure regardless of the consequences. "FREE WILL" means you may take this route if you so choose,but you will pay the price. |
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(OP) User ID: 13842055 United States 04/05/2012 11:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her? Worship and prayer are merely tools to align one's will with that of the Creator of the universe. Our lives are much happier and more productive when we obey God's will instead of blindly following our baser instincts. In order to one day come in the presence of God, we need to become less "human" and more "Godlike." Quoting: SALAMA What about OUR will? If I cannot live MY will, is that not slavery? Do we not "break" a horse by using tools to align HIS will with that of mine???? "OUR WILL" is pathetically immature and only interested in pleasure regardless of the consequences. "FREE WILL" means you may take this route if you so choose,but you will pay the price. As I have said, people are beginning to be much less lost in my opinion. A few people at least. It is time for them to take control of their reality. Yes, Free Will is our choice, but to allow others to control us because we are afraid to take control of our existence is the wrong path. We can never move beyond this physical reality until we do. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 6814516 United States 04/05/2012 11:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her? That was a lovely and respectful reply. Thank you. And I agree completely. When I speak to my God, I go within and listen to my heart. It is not a master to slave arrangement. Quoting: 1123581321 My view of God is to imagine all life in the universe as a drop of water in the ocean of God. So, by this understanding, we are all an equal or fractal piece of God. All life in the universe and beyond are all brothers and sisters. We are also all equal pieces of God! In other words a part of God. Not lower than God, but a part of God. We are all Gods in a sense. Peace Oh dear. My guess it that you are about 20-something years old? I used to think a bit like you. Give yourself about two years of "being your own God," and of "being your own master." Report back in two years and let us know how it turns out, ok? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12599187 United States 04/05/2012 11:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her? Think of a stay at home mom. She cooks, cleans, and takes care of things that no one notices. Every now and then a thank you means a great deal! Some of us believe that the Lord Jesus was God made man. He said that when your burden is to great to give it over to him, and that when two are more are gather in his name, he will listen to what you ask. Then there is also the Lord's prayer, the perfect prayer. Since you are not going to listen, I won't go into that. Sorry if any of this has already been mentioned. I really don't care to read throught the thread. (I don't want to listen to your denial anymore than you want to hear my declarations!) |
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(OP) User ID: 13842055 United States 04/05/2012 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her? That was a lovely and respectful reply. Thank you. And I agree completely. When I speak to my God, I go within and listen to my heart. It is not a master to slave arrangement. Quoting: 1123581321 My view of God is to imagine all life in the universe as a drop of water in the ocean of God. So, by this understanding, we are all an equal or fractal piece of God. All life in the universe and beyond are all brothers and sisters. We are also all equal pieces of God! In other words a part of God. Not lower than God, but a part of God. We are all Gods in a sense. Peace Oh dear. My guess it that you are about 20-something years old? I used to think a bit like you. Give yourself about two years of "being your own God," and of "being your own master." Report back in two years and let us know how it turns out, ok? Not that it matters, because you will still find a reason for my views, but I am an old man. I used to be an angry young man hating the world. In my older years I am finally beginning to understand the reality around me and I am the happiest that I have ever been. You really shouldn't judge people on your view of life... Peace |
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(OP) User ID: 13842055 United States 04/05/2012 11:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her? Think of a stay at home mom. She cooks, cleans, and takes care of things that no one notices. Every now and then a thank you means a great deal! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12599187 Some of us believe that the Lord Jesus was God made man. He said that when your burden is to great to give it over to him, and that when two are more are gather in his name, he will listen to what you ask. Then there is also the Lord's prayer, the perfect prayer. Since you are not going to listen, I won't go into that. Sorry if any of this has already been mentioned. I really don't care to read throught the thread. (I don't want to listen to your denial anymore than you want to hear my declarations!) I sincerely respect your views and thank you for respecting mine. I have no desire to change your view of life. Your choice completely. Peace |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 13182742 United States 04/05/2012 11:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her? Worship and prayer are merely tools to align one's will with that of the Creator of the universe. Our lives are much happier and more productive when we obey God's will instead of blindly following our baser instincts. In order to one day come in the presence of God, we need to become less "human" and more "Godlike." Quoting: SALAMA What about OUR will? If I cannot live MY will, is that not slavery? Do we not "break" a horse by using tools to align HIS will with that of mine???? "OUR WILL" is pathetically immature and only interested in pleasure regardless of the consequences. "FREE WILL" means you may take this route if you so choose,but you will pay the price. As I have said, people are beginning to be much less lost in my opinion. A few people at least. It is time for them to take control of their reality. Yes, Free Will is our choice, but to allow others to control us because we are afraid to take control of our existence is the wrong path. We can never move beyond this physical reality until we do. No human being can control another. We are perfectly capable of creating our own reality. But also, energy vampires are real and sometimes it is best to limit our involvement with persons of this nature. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13827959 United States 04/05/2012 11:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her? What does an advanced supreme being gain from worship? Why is it desired? If your own Earthy family father asked you to get on your knees and worship him out of respect would you not find that wrong? If so, why would your heavenly father be any different? Quoting: 1123581321 Once you see what you are really doing by worshiping another, you will be able to begin to really be free. it is not desired by the FATHER at all, he but desires you become like him. The creation itself IS worthy of adoration. Most peoples "worship" is silly asking for favors from the Creator who doesn't grant them at all. Some may be granted by guardian angels and other members of the creation. The Father RESIDES within the Mind and this remains not understood at all on this world. He sends a Fragment of his mind to yours. And that is IF HEARD and most don't know its there, is one source of "God" responding to you. But most of what is "heard" on this world in not the Father Fragment but varies entities, all labeled God. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13827959 United States 04/05/2012 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her? His mercy comes thru the court systems of the creation and thru the various guardian entities. If you choose eternal life, your Father Fragment guides you onward and upward. If you become of no light whatsoever, it LEAVES you, and usually the result if that you become NO MORE> |
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SALAMA User ID: 13182742 United States 04/05/2012 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her? All Christians ask yourselves this question with an open mind......why would the all-powerful Creator of the universe make humans a certain way and then punish them for being the way they were created? Don't you find that perverse? Then instead of maybe just tweaking the creation, he decides to incarnate as a man just to terminate said man and this is going to save us from his wrath of what, exactly? Behaving the way he created us to be? Hmmmmmmm........ |
SALAMA User ID: 13182742 United States 04/05/2012 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her? What does an advanced supreme being gain from worship? Why is it desired? If your own Earthy family father asked you to get on your knees and worship him out of respect would you not find that wrong? If so, why would your heavenly father be any different? Quoting: 1123581321 Once you see what you are really doing by worshiping another, you will be able to begin to really be free. it is not desired by the FATHER at all, he but desires you become like him. The creation itself IS worthy of adoration. Most peoples "worship" is silly asking for favors from the Creator who doesn't grant them at all. Some may be granted by guardian angels and other members of the creation. The Father RESIDES within the Mind and this remains not understood at all on this world. He sends a Fragment of his mind to yours. And that is IF HEARD and most don't know its there, is one source of "God" responding to you. But most of what is "heard" on this world in not the Father Fragment but varies entities, all labeled God. +1! I enjoyed your explanation, NIP, and agree. |
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(OP) User ID: 13842055 United States 04/05/2012 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her? All Christians ask yourselves this question with an open mind......why would the all-powerful Creator of the universe make humans a certain way and then punish them for being the way they were created? Don't you find that perverse? Then instead of maybe just tweaking the creation, he decides to incarnate as a man just to terminate said man and this is going to save us from his wrath of what, exactly? Behaving the way he created us to be? Hmmmmmmm........ If people would just stop and sincerely contemplate these ideas, I think they would see how perverse they really are. The problem is that contemplating these ideas can be very frightening to many. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11833653 Mexico 04/05/2012 12:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her? That question is not an attack. I honestly can't see how an advanced deity would ask that of anyone. Worship is just another form of slavery. Can't Christians see that? Quoting: 1123581321 I think if you stopped and considered this question it would trouble you. That is why many never question worship. It doesn't matter what I think. Ask yourself if the concept of worship of another is right. You decide. Don't ask don't tell , many radical Christians around here !! You better watch your mouth or praying 10 .....wait !! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4934354 United States 04/05/2012 12:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her? That question is not an attack. I honestly can't see how an advanced deity would ask that of anyone. Worship is just another form of slavery. Can't Christians see that? Quoting: 1123581321 I think if you stopped and considered this question it would trouble you. That is why many never question worship. It doesn't matter what I think. Ask yourself if the concept of worship of another is right. You decide. Can't you understand fellowship, friendship, love and respect? Do you refuse to see that? God doesn't need us. So who's benefit could it before? If you are Willing... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4934354 United States 04/05/2012 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her? correction That question is not an attack. I honestly can't see how an advanced deity would ask that of anyone. Worship is just another form of slavery. Can't Christians see that? Quoting: 1123581321 I think if you stopped and considered this question it would trouble you. That is why many never question worship. It doesn't matter what I think. Ask yourself if the concept of worship of another is right. You decide. Can't you understand fellowship, friendship, love and respect? Do you refuse to see that? God doesn't need us. So who's benefit could it be for? If you are Willing... |
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