Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?

"And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them..."

Agreed, 100%. I am very grateful to have seen these posts. It seems as though most people have to believe that they are not "divine", because that would mean taking responsibility for their lives and that is a scary thing.

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

Are you a sinner? It's a scary thing to be responsible for yourself.

No one said that. Seriously, gotta go. Bye, peace to you.

I don't believe in "sin". I believe that our actions either help our evolution, or hinder it. It is our choice to decide which actions to take.

Last Edited by IndigoSerenity76 on 04/05/2012 04:14 PM

It depends on how big of an ego, the being has; ideally, the answer is "No".

Seek humility for correctness.

Any honest among you

take note.

Such simple straight forward questions

and the OP can't say yes.

This is the abject moral bankruptcy of the God-haters.

This is the abject moral bankruptcy of the antichrists.

This is the abject moral bankruptcy of OP 1123581321.

No citation, so your point is invalid.

Would a loving PARENT ~"desire"~ that his children obey and listen to him?

I believe so.

(However, nowhere do you provide proof that God ~demands worship or prayer from us... You can't, because God doesn't DEMAND, we have freewill. If a child of a reasonable age -- say a teenager, nowdays, since most of them are so emotionally immature anymore -- disobeys or disregards his father's wise, loving advice and gets run down by a car, is it the father's fault? No.)

Bingo! Perfect sense, each one of us has to bear the fruits of our actions...eventually. What happens when you fail something as fundamental as breathing; living life in goodness. Repeating the experience, the same mistakes, is unfulfilling, and frustrating; there are no shortcuts, just abbreviated endings, and shortcomings, but in the end we will all learn.

I believe we have all sinned, and we have all lied, it's a scientific fact, and a baseline question for a lie detector reading; "have you ever told someone close to a lie?" Answering "yes" provides a baseline for truth; no, provides a baseline for lying, and establishes you have the propensity to lie, and warrants more questions...why? We're you lying to look good, or not look bad...hmmm?

No worries, either way you'll get another chance...

Bingo! Perfect sense, each one of us has to bear the fruits of our actions...eventually. What happens when you fail something as fundamental as breathing; living life in goodness. Repeating the experience, the same mistakes, is unfulfilling, and frustrating; there are no shortcuts, just abbreviated endings, and shortcomings, but in the end we will all learn.

I believe we have all sinned, and we have all lied, it's a scientific fact, and a baseline question for a lie detector reading; "have you ever told someone close to a lie?" Answering "yes" provides a baseline for truth; no, provides a baseline for lying, and establishes you have the propensity to lie, and warrants more questions...why? We're you lying to look good, or not look bad...hmmm?

No worries, either way you'll get another chance...

Bingo! Perfect sense, each one of us has to bear the fruits of our actions...eventually. What happens when you fail something as fundamental as breathing; living life in goodness. Repeating the experience, the same mistakes, is unfulfilling, and frustrating; there are no shortcuts, just abbreviated endings, and shortcomings, but in the end we will all learn.

I believe we have all sinned, and we have all lied, it's a scientific fact, and a baseline question for a lie detector reading; "have you ever told someone close to a lie?" Answering "yes" provides a baseline for truth; no, provides a baseline for lying, and establishes you have the propensity to lie, and warrants more questions...why? We're you lying to look good, or not look bad...hmmm?

No worries, either way you'll get another chance...

“My yoke is easy and my burden is light” Jesus says, and yes it is, I am witness to that statement as I live that statement everyday because of God's grace and the promise of Jesus Christ.

God's instructions for living here and how to preserve one's life after here are contained in the Son of Man's philosophy or the Gospel of Jesus Christ......FREE here [link to www.e-sword.net] use the FREE included commentaries. The Good News Bible is an easy start it is in easy everyday English. In that Book are 4 Books titled; Matthew, Mark, Luke and John...only 120 pages that will save your life and if you so desire a relationship with God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit will begin.

Christians, Muslims, etc....

"It is our innate solidarity, and not some despotism of the sky, which is the source of our morality and our sense of decency."
~C. Hitchens

"And the Lord said: Have faith in yourself and mankind, not some imaginary being, and your possibilities shall be endless."
~ExoPoliChick 1:01

The difference with you is, you have no relationship or personal friendship with the Lord, you think God an imaginary being...quoting yourself......self will run riot?


God is Spirit, and only by the power of his Spirit can people worship him as he really is."
(John 4:24)


You will come around....we'll leave a light on.

You say:

"And the Lord said: Have faith in yourself and mankind, not some imaginary being, and your possibilities shall be endless."
~ExoPoliChick 1:01

That is what got us in this mess in the first place, "Oh surely you will not die".

There is a difference between worship and devotion. There's also a difference between what's done out of fear, and what's done out of of love...

The true God, Creator Source, is so obviously God that there is no question left once you experience God-consciousness.

Any question in your mind = not a god.

Any "god" that must tell you it is a god surely isn't one.

Anyone who expects you kneel and worship them wants to own you.

Anyone who coerces you to kneel and worship them intends to destroy you in body if you refuse, and in spirit if you acquiesce.

Creator Source predestined humankind for Sovereignty and then Co-Creator status. Sovereigns do not kneel; they stand before Creator Source unashamed. If you are destined to be a Co-Creator, would your instinct be to kneel to your future self, or give yourself a hug/buy yourself a beer? :)

Do your parents desire for you to worship and pray to them?



Do your parents want you to ask for things that you need?

Do your parents want you to love them and respect them?

Do your parents want you to listen to their wisdom so that you don't hurt yourself?

Do your parents want you to be the best that you can be?

Do your parents require for you to worship them?

Do you parents require for you to do religious rituals for the privelidge of their effection or benevelence?


Do your parents hurt inside when they see you do things that can harm you or destroy you from having a happy life?


God has given us a clear method of understanding Himself and the relationship that He desires for mankind. Why would He ask that we call Him our heavenly Father? If you have loving Parents, then you already know the relationship that God desires for His creation.

Your post makes no sense.

a loving supreme being wouldn't create a hell for their children. only a sick, sick being would do that. if you're christian and your god does exist, then you are worshiping a terrorist out of fear for your own eternal soul

There is no sin in actions that go against human law. There are only consequences levied by peers.

To sin is to go against the grain of one's heart, one's soul. When our ideas or blindness take us away from the truths that come from within: this is sin.

Worship does not = obedience. It is not the rule of Law that matters. Worship is an act of communication that can only occur through love. Becoming the vessel of one's God (which is kind of like obedience) is nothing more than fully expressing the truth that comes from bellow.

To be fully expressed in the light of love thru one's God, acting as the true vessel of Her will (each different, yet flowing when combined) is .... nothing short of astonishing.


if y'all only knew..... whew!

Do you know what your "free will" is??? God gave us the choice between good and life, and evil and death. That's it. He told Cain that he could choose better, what is 'right' - what did Cain do? Promptly chose - and killed his brother.

The problem is this - you and I may say "but we are good people". But what is "good" by your definition may include allowing a woman to chose abortion, that it's her CHOICE. Guess how your "good" has led to a breaking of "Thou shalt not murder"? Our prisons are filled to capacity because a society that once held biblical morality as a standard is shunning it for a "love" that is defined as TOLERANCE. And that is not God's definition of love. A ChristIan parent EXPECTS their children to obey them, 'desiring' it just doesn't cut it. THAT is the difference. Could the child make a mistake? Yes, then mercy is shown. This society is failing and will crumble because parents have abandoned their obedience to God by swallowing hook, line and sinker a "love" that is defined as tolerance. I can see that you are fighting your corner from that perspective. Because your ideal version of "love" is from the world - not God. That is why you cannot even imagine a God who expects obedience from us. And out of that obedience comes His definition of love and the utter thankfulness in praise and private worship bestowed onto Him as Creator and Father. It's alien to you this kind of love for you are standing from a position of 'love' as defined by the rising evil. Evil and death have convinced you that a parent can 'desire' their child to do what they ask - what a load of BS. If you set the desire as an 'expectation' instead, with clear and resolute consequences for disobedience, then society wouldn't be disintegrating as it is. I am so ever THANKFUL that my parents expected things of me.

And the most tragic of all is that you are already worshipping things - money, possessions, income level, your looks etc. Yet you cry foul that God would want 'worship' and praise. He doesn't demand anything - its FREELY given by those who start to find Him.

I would like to end this thread with one last post. First, thank you all that contributed by posting with respect. I enjoyed all your views and comments. To those that decided that anger, ugliness and cruelty are the way to communicate. I feel sorry for you. I hope you find what you are looking for.

These concepts are not complicated. A child can easily grasp these basic truths. The difficult is putting them into practice in our lives. Many people talk about the truths, but few live them. They think they do, but in truth the ego is still in control.

I am a simple, old man. I don't have a teacher, I'm not part of any elite group and I don't have any special abilities. I don't have the ability to channel other beings, to remote view or to leave my body at will. I am not wealthy, physically powerful or from an elite bloodline. I am not a threat to anyone. However, I have been very blessed to have remembered how powerful my true spiritual consciousness really is and to begin to understand my true reality. I have learned to take in information from everywhere I can find it. No source is out of bounds or taboo. I believe that as long as I take the knowledge received and then listen to my heart and stay strong, nothing I am told, read or see can harm me. I then keep any "diamonds" that ring true in my heart and I then discard the rest.

Our reality, both physical and etheric, is changing very quickly. All the centers of power, both good and evil, are being restructured. Because of this, many advanced beings are now jostling for power behind the scenes. New alliances are being formed and old ones are collapsing. Supposed advanced beings are now coming out of the shadows suggesting new crusades. All esoteric knowledge is now being opened for all to see. Nothing is being held back. It is an amazing time and a wonderful time to be alive. The new game certainly isn't boring.

During these amazing times, my heart tells me to go and quietly stand on a nearby hill, be very quiet, listen and watch. Then decide who our real heroes in this new spiritual power struggle are. There are many chameleons presenting themselves right now. The labyrinth is more complex than ever.

So, what are we to do? All I know to do is to remain centered, listen to your heart and not be afraid. My heart tells me that everything I need to know is within me. I don't feel I need a master, guru or a leader. I don't believe we should give our power away to anyone! When we are searching for truth, we need to go inward and not to any other being for our truth. We are much more powerful than we realize. However, don't misunderstand me, we should have these discussions. I value everyone's comments here very much. It is truly a breath of fresh air after so much secrecy. We should then discern what is truth for each of us and discard the rest. We don't need a leader, we are each the strongest-of-the-strong. Just remember who you really are and lead yourself down your own true path. We are the only ones that know what is right for each of us...

Go in peace and remember who you are.

Fibonacci

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If people get cast into an eternal Lake of fire to be tormented forever...it is because they deserve it.