Spiritual Hierarchies

Of course there's more than two worlds. I never said there wasn't. I was speaking of the line between summer and winter, that's all and in the abstract. I should have made myself more clear.

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Oh geez, you missed an R.

On the grander scale. It would not be evil. Not saying I would like it. But.....we are probably not the top of the food chain. Hope we never find out.

Oh you mean the one that as a problem with math :)

Last Edited by Blue Skies on 08/11/2012 08:49 AM

"Creation-parturition is the Bliss of the One; coition-dissolution is the bliss of the many." - A.C.

I think what you're getting at is that the universe is predatory in nature. Killing something to survive isn't 'immoral' in my view. Even packs of predators pick off the weak when they hunt. Is this done because of efficiency or is there some sort of instinctual understanding that the food source they prefer needs to be protected in some way?

It is in interesting question to be sure. But I don't think it relates to what 'evil' is made up of. 'Evil' is recognizable, IMO, precisely because it IS corrosive spiritually and physically. It is self destructive for oneself and any sustainable system. It is irrational and self defeating in the long run...yet the user gets immediate self gratification in the short term.

What is the difference between acting 'without empathy' and acting with a sense of detachment?

I would argue that detachment is critical when exercising free will. Control and abandonment. Acts have power when the actor knows that the act he/she is performing may well be their last act on earth. It's more pleasant that way. It dulls the edge of the actor's fright.

And there is a difference between a sociopath acting without empathy towards his fellow man and a man/woman of knowledge deliberately moving their point of perception to the 'place of no pity'. A sociopath is driven purely by indulgence...an indulgence so strong that it overrides everything else. A sociopath doesn't possess the intent or free will to change their point of perception.

Meanwhile, a man/woman of knowledge can maneuver their perception at will depending on the circumstance. In other words, a MOK's place of no pity...is a place without pity of self. A sociopaths lack of empathy isn't. A sociopath still takes pity on themselves...indeed, every action they take caters to the concerns and cravings they feel about themselves.

I don't think there is such a thing as an 'immoral' beast...because there is no such thing as a moral one. The world of morality is not accessible to a beast.

Last Edited by Jonny Blaze on 08/13/2012 07:50 AM

I don't agree with this at all. Animals are not lower than us. We are animals. Plants are not lower than us...it is merely our reason that makes us pretend that we are somehow superior to them...that we have dominion over them.

Power plants (drugs) have the ability to propel us by way of spiritual force to points of perception ordinarily inaccessible to us. The spirits of these seemingly docile and vulnerable lifeforms have the power to cater to our indulgences...injure our spirits...and enable us to destroy ourselves.

Don Juan had Castaneda talk to plants for a reason. One might think that it had something to do with curbing Carlito's sense of self-importance...but that isn't the whole story.

Last Edited by Jonny Blaze on 08/13/2012 07:42 AM

It almost sounds as if you think interfering in the affairs of ants and lizards somehow says something about whoever meddles in their affairs...but what about the personal power of the ants and lizards? Death stalks us all, and it would be pretty ridiculous IMO to pretend that just because we have the power to intervene and delay or hasten death's inevitability...that doesn't mean we are better or worse for it.

In the case of the ants, Tim just turned the headlights of death on...in the case of the lizard, he turned them off. But death stalks the ants, the lizard, Tim, and everyone else....so step out of your perception of time and you might see that the very idea of a mortal being playing God is endless folly.

You might think he did the lizard a service, but what about the spider? If the lizard has become his friend, then has the spider become his enemy?

Last Edited by Jonny Blaze on 08/13/2012 07:55 AM

I would like to hear more about winter, pool...if it pleases you to type about it.

What if a group lice decided to start a colony in your hair? How does one respond morally in this situation?

I commune with plants on a daily basis, and just because consuming them has the potential to injure us, doesn't mean we should fear them. They also have remarkable healing properties. Drinking too much water can kill you too.

Yes we are all connected and animals, never denied our animal side. Should we allow rats to overtake our cities because we are all equal as animals? Dominion simply means that because we know better than they do, then we are responsible for them. There is always a hierarchy.

is our universe predatory in nature?

your description of evil tells you know what you are and what you are within
thus you know what does not fit (evil) into what you know is good, which is, yourself and the system you are within

can you tell us what are and describe system you are within

Last Edited by aether on 08/13/2012 09:55 AM

I wasn't implying that we should fear anything. And I don't see how dominion has anything to do with equality. I don't consider myself equal to animals or plants. Yet I don't consider myself more important or superior to plants and animals either.

We are not responsible for animals. We don't know any better than animals do. We are animals. Can you say that you have a greater understanding of the universe than a house cat does? Or any other animal for that matter?

Because we perceive and categorize the universe differently...does that somehow make us superior to them? If we as a species were to use our 'scientific' understanding of the so called 'laws' of physics, biology, etc to eradicate animals that we don't like for whatever reason...would that make us superior to the animals we eradicated?

I guess what I am getting at is this: What exactly do we know better than animals? All we know is what we observe. Animals also observe. Perhaps it is our ability to communicate complex ideas to others that makes us 'superior' in your mind. Perhaps it is all the 'knowledge' we have accumulated about our universe. Perhaps it is our ability to manipulate reason that gives us the edge?

I say hogwash. Our reason is deeply flawed. Our reason allows every one of us to walk around spouting ideas that constantly contradict themselves. Most of us are walking contradictions that will change their point of view at the drop of the most subtle social cue.

I fail to see how any of this makes us 'know better' than a simple predator. Many of these animals that we supposedly 'know better than' have been on this planet long before our species arrived and many will be around long after we are gone.

HOLY SHIT. STOP! god damn it, what's the point to fight over how nature reacts! spirituality is not about trying to change nature, it's about LETTING GO!

Yes animals kills each another, if you get in the way you will be eaten.

Nature don't care if you stomp on her flowers, kill her animals, creatures. Nature is WAY beyond what you call compassion and love!

Love as much call it and describe it is BS.

What does love do? i mean really. Love is not about compassion or being careful or even pacifism! Love starts with self respect!.

it's only about letting things be! not trying to control everything, especially nature.

If your trying to not harm nature, your only imposing limits on yourself, Hippies from the peace and love era was a cia psyops. WAKE UP!

here is a thing about FEAR!

Fearful beings express the need of comfort. That comfort comes from POWER! (Power is an illusion of comfort).

Throught that power they channel their fears to it which make them become control freaks! They feel the urge to control everything, including nature and other people behaviors at a psychopathic level. just because they are affraid of something!


Last Edited by Blitz the storm-striker on 08/13/2012 10:03 AM

Yes, it is. Death stalks us all. And if one supposes that inorganic beings exist, the prevalent theories are that they are concerned with us as organic beings because of the ridiculous amount of energy that we waste.

What am I? I am a bubble of energy that perceives the energy of the universe in terms of hardness. Mass, volume, etc. are all descriptions that my 5 senses use to make this life more navigable. My internal dialogue is not a natural phenomenon...it was forced upon me by my fellow man. I wasn't born talking to myself and neither were you. My talking to myself incessantly about the description I perceive is also an exercise of convenience and control. Our internal dialogues anchor our perception to a common point among us...so that we can communicate to each other our description of the world.

But I am not so foolish as to think that the description my senses gives me is true nature of the universe. The description is just a description. And the illusion of our description often tricks us into unnecessary conformity.

Last Edited by Jonny Blaze on 08/13/2012 10:10 AM

notion of death seems the motivator of emotional living

is the sensation

On the contrary...

“A warrior considers himself already dead, so there is nothing for him to lose. The worst has already happened to him, therefore he’s clear and calm; judging him by his acts or by his words, one would never suspect that he has witnessed everything.”

your notion of life there is fixed

but

here your notion open to information that alters notion



and here you are steeled for the worst because the worst you have already experienced



seems when you die you don`t experience what you anticipate,
you experience more of the same that you have already experienced
which is my point
perhaps you have yet to die correctly. as in:
die in a manner that provides what you anticipated hence were motivated to die in the manner you did

a manner of death you have yet to experience

Hmmm. Expectations and anticipations.

“When a warrior makes the decision to take action, he should be prepared to die. If he is prepared to die, there shouldn’t be any pitfalls, any unwelcome surprises, any unnecessary acts. Everything should gently fall into place because he is expecting nothing.”

“A warrior, as a teacher, must first of all teach about the possibility of acting without believing, without expecting rewards – acting just for the hell of it. His success as a teacher depends on how well and how harmoniously he guides his wards in this specific respect.”

Acting without believing or anticipating the outcome is key to spiritual growth.

“A warrior must know first that his acts are useless, and yet, he must proceed as if he didn’t know it. That’s a shaman’s controlled folly.”

“Nothing being more important than anything else, a warrior chooses any act, and acts it out as if it mattered to him. His controlled folly makes him say that what he does matters and makes him act as if it did, and yet he knows that it doesn’t; so when he fulfills his acts, he retreats in peace, and whether his acts were good or bad, or worked or didn’t, is in no way part of his concern.”

“The spirit of a warrior is not geared to indulging and complaining, nor is it geared to winning or losing. The spirit of a warrior is geared only to struggle, and every struggle is a warrior’s last battle on earth. Thus the outcome matters very little to him. In his last battle on earth a warrior lets his spirit flow free and clear. And as he wages his battle, knowing that his intent is impeccable, a warrior laughs and laughs.”

“The trump card of the warrior is that he believes without believing. But obviously a warrior can’t just say he believes and let it go at that. That would be too easy. To just believe without any exertion would exonerate him from examining his situation. A warrior, whenever he has to involve himself with believing, does it as a choice. A warrior doesn’t believe, a warrior has to believe.”

“Death is the indispensable ingredient in having to believe. Without the awareness of death, everything is ordinary, trivial. It is only because death is stalking him that a warrior has to believe that the world is an unfathomable mystery. Having to believe in such a fashion is the warrior’s expression of his innermost predilection.”

Hope this clears up some of where I am coming from.

i know
that is a walk through of a notion of being
it avoids a walk through of death because the warrior notion can never explain death because by default warrior = not knowing environment
it is a code to make the unknown bearable formed by human imaginations to cope with our past 5000 years + lifestyle experience following the end of this lifestyle:



that being said it is one of the most popular beliefs and likely, it`s believers within this era of our altering again environment , will have difficulty experiencing
luckily women know what is occurring and the good news for warriors is women like them
so
feels like women have a lot of sympathetic guiding to achieve in our coming years

Last Edited by aether on 08/13/2012 11:07 AM

I do the same thing with snails, I hate it when it is dark and raining then next thing you hear is 'crunch' it makes me cringe, I walk forward with the words 'forgive me' on my lips.

Exactly. It's like I've failed a test in the "be mindful of smaller, weaker things that trouble you not" class, lol.

One of these Things Is Not Like The Other--A One Act Play

Players:

Me

Face Ripping Chimpanzee (Our Primate “cousin”)

Act I Scene 1

Me: Good Morning Face Ripping Chimpanzee. Today our lesson will be about the sum of 2 squares, and how Fermat rediscovered that Primes of the form 4k+1...

Face Ripping Chimpanzee [Interrupting]: Rahhhhhhhhhh Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh Rahhhhhhhhhhhh

Face Ripping Chimpanzee takes off diaper and begins to spray fecal matter like a machine gun

Me: Dammit Face Ripping Chimpanzee, What did I tell you about throwing feces at people? [Wipes glasses off]

Face Ripping Chimpanzee exits stage left to a cacophony of screeching and breaking glass

Me: Sweet Baby Jesus, Face Ripping Chimpanzee, can you please refrain from throwing chairs through windows during your lesson?

Face Rippping Chimpanzee bounds back into the room on all fours

Me: Do you have that out of your system now? Good, Now take your seat...What the hell are you doing now, Now Stop, Dammit Stop, PUT THAT THING AWAY What planet are you from? Who does that? Could you possibly refrain from pleasuring yourself while we are discussing Fermat.

Face Ripping Chimpanzee finishes and then runs to the center of the room and urinates.

Me: Face Ripping Chimpanzee, you are really wearing thin on my nerves today, Stop, Get Off of Me, UhhhhhhhhhhOhhhhh.

[Collapses on floor with a gelatinous pink and sinewy mess where face used to be, Face Ripping Chimpanzee does a somersault and claps his hands]

Bea, How about Lice? I asked earlier but it seems to have gotten lost in the ether. Would you allow Lice to colonize your scalp?

Thread: THE SIGNIFYING MONKEY. guess.

Those would fall into the "they do trouble me" category. One of those things is not like the other. Being mindful and aware of all life allows you to discern what means you harm, what doesn't. So a parasite like lice, while just doing what they do, interfere with me doing what I do. Snails on the sidewalks or insects that aren't invading my personal space are quite different creatures. I'm guessing you missed the "that trouble me not" part. We don't destroy because we can... and to use your monkey flinging poo analogy, we do it, too... with words, with ink, just not literal poo... more the metaphorical sort. Else our species wouldn't use the word "shit" quite so much...