Spiritual Hierarchies

But... but... what if it's me and I said screw destiny? (Because I kinda, sorta did, lmao)

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I don't believe in destiny or fate. I don't buy into prophecy. The choices we make determine the paths we take. Some of them are more traveled than others. But if destiny and fate are true, then we're just cosmic playthings that lack free will. I can't accept that, lol... but that's just me. But if some point destiny and free will merge, then hey... I'm good with that as long as I get to decide. It's just a Bea thing, lol.

I don't believe in destiny or fate. I don't buy into prophecy. The choices we make determine the paths we take. Some of them are more traveled than others. But if destiny and fate are true, then we're just cosmic playthings that lack free will. I can't accept that, lol... but that's just me. But if some point destiny and free will merge, then hey... I'm good with that as long as I get to decide. It's just a Bea thing, lol.

The only issue I have is this... Things are more complicated than the relatively simplistic archetypes of the past. As humans develop more consciousness

I don't believe in destiny or fate. I don't buy into prophecy. The choices we make determine the paths we take. Some of them are more traveled than others. But if destiny and fate are true, then we're just cosmic playthings that lack free will. I can't accept that, lol... but that's just me. But if some point destiny and free will merge, then hey... I'm good with that as long as I get to decide. It's just a Bea thing, lol.

After some deliberation, King Solomon called for a sword to be brought before him. He declared that there is only one fair solution: the live son must be split in two, each woman receiving half of the child. Upon hearing this terrible verdict, the boy's true mother cried out, "Please, My Lord, give her the live child—do not kill him!" However, the liar, in her bitter jealousy, exclaimed, "It shall be neither mine nor yours—divide it!" Solomon instantly gave the live baby to the real mother, realizing that the true mother's instincts were to protect her child, while the liar revealed that she did not truly love the child.

Progressed Sun is Conjunct Venus


Ever so slowly, at the pace of a glacier, life changes us. You're not the same person you were five years ago. Your interests have evolved, your tastes are more refined. And, of course, your circumstances are different. This snail-paced journey -- the Evolution of the Self -- is reflected in astrology's most elemental symbol: the progressed Sun. When it comes to a sensitive zone of the birthchart, momentous changes nearly always occur...but they mirror even more rudimentary transfigurations in the deepest levels of your identity.

Needless to say, we wouldn't be mentioning all this to you if the progressed Sun were passing through calm waters in your birthchart now. But it's not, and in a minute we'll look at exactly where it is and what it's doing. Before we consider the specifics, though, one more point for the sake of perspective: the progressed Sun is a very slow-moving factor. It covers approximately one degree each year. Thus, even in a long life, it swings through only about a quarter of the birthchart. It follows that often many years go by in which, despite its overwhelming importance, the progressed Sun is basically not doing very much and can safely be ignored. The other side of the coin is that when the Sun does come to sensitive territories, a person has reached one of life's definitive turning points. Decisions are made, well or poorly. Bridges are crossed, and often burned behind us. Life takes off in a new direction.

You've arrived at such a juncture; your core is being transfigured. It's stressful, of course; change always is. But your ability to hear the new message that's coming up from inside you will determine to a great extent the level of happiness, creativity, and prosperity you will experience for the rest of your life. Let's get specific. How is the progressed Sun currently impacting on you? It is conjunct your natal Venus: sometime after the report period.. In thinking about this, remember that progressions are slow-motion events, and that this aspect simply peaks then; it will be in effect throughout the period of this report.

Let's first understand that the action is in the First House, for that's where the Sun is currently located in your chart. And what does that tell you? That the circumstances driving your development, at least in terms of this particular configuration, have to do with the choices you make and how you present yourself. Be assertive; take responsibility. You have considerable power in this situation. To use it well, act in the spirit of the Sun, as we just described it. But what's the issue? What part of your own life is at stake? To answer that question, we turn our attention to Venus, which is being invited into development during this new beginning in your life

Venus is the goddess of love, of peace, and of the arts. In each domain, balance is the ideal. Deep in your psyche, there is a place that seeks the comfort of balance and equilibrium, whether through shared fondness with another human being, an hour's peace in the garden, or the rapture that sometimes arises as we immerse our hearts and minds in something beautiful. That inner circuit is your natal Venus. When it is stimulated, we often see experiences arising which prophesy a change in your relationships, in what gives you serenity, or in your aesthetic experiences.

Always, it's advantageous for you to incorporate the force of Venus positively in all parts of your life. But one area has always stood out in that regard -- the First House, which is where Venus lies in your natal chart. There, in the area of assertiveness and personal power, the right use of that energy is most critical. In many situations you must react, respond, and play the cards you're dealt. But not in the First House. Here, you're in the driver's seat...and there are certain experiences you must claim for yourself, experiences of the nature of Venus, even if the people about whom you care call you selfish for doing so.

When the Sun interacts with Venus, do your best to make yourself attractive...but a lot more is called for here than a long talk with the bathroom mirror. "Attractiveness" is as much personal as it is physical; it is linked to courtesy, the expression of interest in others, and a general graciousness of demeanor. Why act that way now in particular? Simple: you've come to a point in your life in which input from another person is essential, and if you want to link with the proper partners, it doesn't hurt to do a little advertising.

As we mentioned, the aspect involved in the event we just described is the conjunction, which refers to a precise alignment between the natal planet and the moving trigger. Thus, the process emphasizes fusion, integration, and synthesis. Of all the possible aspects, the conjunction is the most intense. The explosion rattles your outward circumstances; but it originates inside you, and puts you in the driver's seat. It is appropriate for you to claim some new level of power, of self-expression, and of autonomy.

Tr. Saturn aligns with the Eleventh House cusp

The planet Saturn is currently casting a gray light on your circumstances -- but is it the bleak gray of sorrow or the clear, comforting gray of wisdom and digested experience? That's the choice. Saturn is classically viewed as the "bad" planet, the "Greater Malefic." Don't believe it! Used correctly, its transits can bring dignity and self-respect. Essentially, Saturn is about maturity. The part of your life that's being touched by the Saturnian energies needs to grow up...which, despite the lies we're all told, is not a process one mysteriously completes on one's twenty-first birthday. There is an area of your life where you have simply outgrown yourself, at least inwardly. The task now is to adjust your outward circumstances to reflect the maturity you've already attained psychically and invisibly. It is a material problem, not fundamentally a psychological one. To succeed, there is first a need to face reality squarely, even if it's unsavory. Then to make a hard choice...that is, to reach an emotional bottom line and not be crippled by your awareness of the ambiguities in your situation. And finally, in a spirit of commitment, persistence, and self-discipline, to claim those circumstances in your life which reflect the hard inner work you've been doing over the last few years. That's Saturn in general.

Setting priorities -- that's the core of the Eleventh House process. Where do you go from here? What do you really want? A paradox lies at the heart of this phase of your journey. You've accomplished a lot...in many ways you're in an enviable position, harvesting the fruits of long effort. But there's a sense of anticlimax woven into your accomplishments. The truth of it is that your dreams are coming true -- but they are old, burned-out dreams from long ago. You are running on momentum from the past, and that's nothing to be ashamed of. However, with Saturn entering this part of the chart, you are now invited to host a strategy-session with yourself.

Behind the well-oiled machinery of your life, behind the web of social relationships and responsibilities you've woven, there is a basic sense of directionlessness, rendered invisible to others by the successful, energetic appearance of your life. Outwardly, the old answers still work fine, but the truth is they don't satisfy you any more. You've outgrown them. Can you seize the chance to make a quantum leap? Can you take the initiative and claim a new level of creativity, of public respect, of visionary inspiration and leadership?

Those are the questions woven into the foundation of your current circumstances. To answer them in a positive, sustainable, life-enhancing way you need to figure out exactly what you want...and the answer lies right in the crosshairs of Saturn, as we just described it. Tremendous physical and creative energies are available to you, along with a wide array of resources and useful alliances...if only you'll tap into the main line of conscious, self-aware choice in the spirit of Saturn.

Progressed Moon is Square Pluto


The progressed Moon figures in our thinking again. As you may recall, the Moon shows what you are feeling. It gives us insight into your mood, concerns, and general attitude...into "where your heart is," in other words.
Let's first understand that the action is in the First House, for that's where the Moon is currently located in your chart. We've met this house before. As you may remember, it has to do with the assertive choices you make and the confidence with which you present yourself. Something is now occurring in which your own action -- or inaction -- is the pivotal variable. But what's the point? What are the real questions? The answer lies with Pluto, which is being invited into development during this new beginning in your life.

How is the progressed Moon currently impacting on you? It is square your natal Pluto: sometime after the report period.. In thinking about this, remember that progressions are slow-motion events, and that this event simply peaks then; it will be affecting your mood for a period of two or three months on either side of that date.

The natal Pluto -- that, as we have seen, symbolizes your own native capacity to probe into yourself and heal yourself. It always deals with the hurts associated with the humiliations and defeats that life has offered us, and the process of going beyond them.

Your Ninth House engaged us previously in the report. Now we see it turned on again, indicating that your natural adventuresomeness and philosophical curiosity are at the heart of the present situation. Sometimes chances must be taken and leaps of faith made. This is such a time. Learn something new. Take a vacation to somewhere you've never been. In the spirit of Pluto, blow out the cobwebs.

When the Moon gets involved with Pluto, your mood (Moon) turns dark and probing (Pluto). A spirit of investigation is upon you, and a willingness to look deeply into matters that may be emotionally unsettling. Trust it -- there are some unexplored corners in your psyche, unprocessed chapters in your personal history, that are "up" now. Something has been bleeding energy from you. Discover it, face it, and conquer it. You can, and you must.

The two factors, as we mentioned, are linked by a square -- traditionally seen as a "bad" aspect, but more accurately seen as simply frictional. Squares generally suggest tough choices, external pressures, and at least some stress.

Another poster has the same ID number as I. Looks like their posts started on the 8th.

I will not participate in confusion at such a level. That means. That’s it for me. My internal King Solomon has spoken.

Until we meet again.

And besides that. They are streaming the full Dead Can Dance album again:

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The tour has begun! Anastasis is Greek for resurrection. Enjoy.

If Trinity is some sort of digital manifestation of an archetype, then why is it continually posting threads that are spiritual pollutants? Shouldn't something atop a spiritual hierarchy promote unity instead of division?

This place is a bit surreal at times, and everyone kisses Trinity's ass, but if GLP is truly what they say, then why the behavior from its proprietors?

ah Muse, sorry to see you go, again :/

I don't fit any of your categories, but I get the impression you are a lover of winter.

It's all part of the hodge/podge. We learn as much from what we take in and reject as what we take in and integrate. You have to view the extremes to find the middle ground.

Depends on what kind of winter you are talking about...are we talking Houston winter...or are we talking North Slope of Alaska winter?

Or is winter just a metaphor?

pfff after trinity told everyone they "needed" to vote, convinced me who he was or wasnt.



only something programed would suggest such rubbish.

confidently comfortable experiencing the sensations arising from your emotive self awareness (self management) via emotive contact with others

It's all part of the hodge/podge. We learn as much from what we take in and reject as what we take in and integrate. You have to view the extremes to find the middle ground.

I don't disagree, but this reveals a double standard if what you are saying applies to this place, if it is really set up by some benevolent spiritual overlords.

Do means justify the ends? Why should something up the hierarchy get to promote lies and deceptions? Shouldn't a good archetype promote the Good?

I'm more of an autumn girl myself... walking that line between worlds and seeing the beauty and horror in both.

I'm more of an autumn girl myself... walking that line between worlds and seeing the beauty and horror in both.

I don't think there's anything truly benevolent in the universe. All things are a combination, depending on the viewpoint of the viewer. While some things may be set up with malice, as we all know, it doesn't mean they stay that way. Nor does it mean something set up with benevolence will remain benevolent. Things change or stagnate or move out of the control of the original purpose. I tend not to look at concepts, thought forms or "spiritual overlords" as being good or bad, those are dualistic concepts I seek to break from. Nor do I believe that hierarchies of any kind are necessary as they all devolve into clusterfucks, some sooner than later. So no above, no below, just here, now.

i wonder if that matches Jonny

confidently comfortable experiencing the sensations arising from your emotive self awareness (self management) via emotive contact with others