Spiritual Hierarchies

Evil is a degradation, not an opposite.

That I absolutely agree with. Real evil is corrosive. If it wasn't, it would have dominated every aspect of our being by now.

The only reason it can't, is because it naturally decays and destroys itself.

Nice to meet you too, aether.

that says evil is a stand alone something that exists in it`s own right devoid of human contact/existence

like in the air or out in space somewhere on it`s own if it desires

is that true?

At times, yes. Funny you mention it, last night's were... strange. In the first one I was shown something I'd never considered, but have now been contemplating all day. It's led me down a path of research I'd not thought of.

Then the second one was silly, playful, but ultimately lacking in depth... but it was fun, lol.

Evil is the unfortunate by-product of our Free Will and Intentionality. However, its sort of like growing pains, human beings have the power to rid our world of Evil, by using the same force the produces it, Free Will.

We are just learning to walk, and right now we use our Free Will like a toddler uses an assault rifle. But the power that creates Evil is also the power that can Destroy it.

'It's just another nobody thread'
or maybe
'not just another nobody thread'

I don't know. I think the true essence of evil lies in the domain of the unknowable.

I think it is related to the 'phantoms' that Castaneda wrote about. I believe that the ancient Sumerians (or perhaps some other ancient culture...I remember vaguely reading about it) referenced inorganic beings that closely matched this description.

There are also forces at play that want to make us believe we are only primates operating on instinct with Free Will.

Modern "Science" is determined to prove we are animals and nothing else. For whatever reason, there are entities who benefit when they convince us to abandon the notion of the power of Free Will. It makes us better and easily controlled slaves.

But our ancestors, I believe, had a much stronger connecting link with their intent. Modern man's link with intent or free will is practically dead.

The question is...what needs to happen to change course and get back to where we should be.

Whoops, Meant to say that "they want us to believe that we are primates operating without Free Will."

Hmmm...I had a feeling that you were a dreamer.

there exists a dimension/domain we can never know
but we do know it exists
in there
evil most likely exists
and
our ancestors tell non living beings resemble a description labeled evil

if i may ask jonny does your faith (religion) tell you this or have you discovered this knowing yourself?

Last Edited by aether on 08/10/2012 02:32 PM

You are giving Evil too much power. It is perfectly knowable, it results when we indulge our selfish animal instincts. We are undeniably biological animals with programmed instinctual behavior, we just have to fight those urges.

I would say that my 'faith' or 'religion' or 'philosophy' is based on personal experiences that I have had that corroborate certain things that I have read. Basically, the experiment is my experience. The theory is what I've read about.

I've seen some strange shit.

Having caught a glimpse of those things our ancestors would have called evil... they seem to me something unknowable, so strange and alien in their very nature they're incomprehensible to humans. They don't feel "evil" to me as much as "indifferent to the plight of humanity" as in they have a different type of morality... much as our actions toward those things like insects and "lower life".

By defining Evil as some unknowable force in an inaccessible domain leads to the idea that it was created and necessary. This is not the case. It exists, but as a result of our poor choices and can be eradicated by sound and moral implementation of one of the most powerful forces in Existence, Free Will.

Evil entities want us to believe that Evil is a necessary property of Creation, but in fact it is contingent.

To me, human evil feels more like that kind of alien indifference, lack of empathy and understanding... or putting desire for result ahead of basic compassion stemming from thinking of self as only individuation or as only collective and not individuation inside a collective.

Morality is morality, it does not vary in type. An indifference to the plight of humanity means that whatever entities you encountered are prioritizing their own needs over another group of spirited/soul vessels, humans, which is immoral. We are very different from animals, although housed in an animal shell, and still subject to instincts, we can choose differently.

Moral relativism is a concerted centuries long disinformation campaign.

suggesting interaction or not interacting is dependent on topic
information exchange = emotional exchange

what you describe suggests emotional control on their part prompted by either
uninterested in our information (emotions)
or
unattractive to them emotional exchange (information) radiating from us

how does that sound beau?

fits this:

This is the way I look at it.

Evil, to me, has a connotation to demons and fire and brimstone, and hell. When, it can be more identifiable without having the baggage of dogma laying a shroud of obscurity over the truth.

All a sentient creature has to lack is a sense of empathy, and they become 'evil, instead of 'different'. I've experienced this in situations where I have been able to compare. A specific 'species' of Grey, you could say, lack the deepness of empathy most humans feel. Just this one lacking attribute creates discomfort, and vast strangeness and unfamiliarity. I see why many people can view them as 'evil', and they think much, much differently than humans. Then, we get to Mantis that does have that empathic attribute, and everything is much different than with the greys.

As was mentioned in aether's thread about the ancients 'bonding' with other sentient beings; that bonding occurs because of familiarity of sensation and emotive desires.

Agreed, but what would you do if a colony of ants set up shop in your home. Would you smash it, spray it or nurture it? Do we not prioritize our needs above those we consider lesser every single day? Is that evil? Is that moral? I'm not defending things that think of me as an ant, by the way... I'm just positing something very real. Because of our biological makeup, we constantly destroy life to feed our own. This entire system is set up so one thing feeds on another. How are we moral and good when we do the same thing? It's all about range and scale.

Deferring to the characteristics of other worldly beings is not going to solve our problems as humans.

We are in control of our own destiny, and we need to take responsibility for it. We have Free Will, therefore we can choose not to behave like immoral beasts.

We can control our own behavior, if we act without empathy, selfishly, or deviously, bad shit is going to happen. If we choose to behave how we ought to, then we will play our part in bringing the Kingdom to Earth.

Stop worrying about Aliens and Demons, they only have power over us if we give it to them.

Feels right, Aether. I get the feeling they look at us much as we'd look at an insect colony invading their space. Would you attempt a mind meld with that? You know me, I'm not defending something that would decimate humanity... but I am saying if communication isn't possible or wanted, then how would we stop it? Perhaps that's one reason many have gone to great lengths to prevent mankind from "seeing" the horror of it (from our perspective)? But inside us all, there's the "fear" much as I'm sure there's an internalized fear of insects upon our very world of us. We are Chluthu, too, depending on your species, lol.

and wiTh Aide from the VrIl SecreT sOCiety taKing care and watching over us all.

winter tempest! :D

Deferring to the characteristics of other worldly beings helps us see ourselves better.

You are projecting some weird baggage into your thoughts. There was no mention of releasing our control of destiny to that which is not us. There was no mention of sentient beings removing our Free Will.

Who is worried about aliens and demons? Jeez, you have brought a lot of your bias and baggage of belief into the mix, haven't ya?

Behave how we ought to, or how someone tells us to?


Oh, EDIT TO ADD: Aliens and Demons



Last Edited by Swinging on Spirals on 08/10/2012 03:27 PM

Because we are simply biological avatars the house our real being, our souls/spirits. Whatever happened on Earth 25-30000 years ago, all these creation myths, language, art, mathematics, kingship, agriculture, are the direct result of the introduction of souls to primate biological organisms.

Our origins are veiled in mystery and metaphor. But the end result is that we as a species transitioned to soul vessel status 30 Thousand years ago. And this means that we now "know better", even though some forget this. This is speculative on my part, obviously, but I believe this is the correct medium for speculative alternative histories.

Animals are lower than us, we have dominion over them. This is not a license to be cruel or destructive, as many of our fellow humans take out their frustration on animals that don't know any better. Although they are, as everything else, connected to the spiritual, they just aren't on our level.

Yes we have to kill in order to eat. I don't think slaughterhouses are particularly moral or the terrible conditions our livestock are kept in. But we can cull animals humanely in order that they serve their purpose, which is to provide us sustenance.

I understand that I am leaving myself vulnerable, to the why can't higher beings use us the same way? But I think that once we came "online" as a species, we entered into a new existence with more complex rules, and that higher beings, by definition, would not regress to destroying us.

I am at work, wasting time, so I am not sure If I made myself clear enough.